Thai govt pays compensation to families of those who died after COVID vaccinations

[Jonathan Fairfield]

 

Thailand’s National Health Security Office (NHSO) reports that families of 222 people who died or suffered severe reactions after getting COVID-19 vaccinations have received compensation from the government.

 

NHSO secretary-general Dr. Jadet Thammathat-Aree said the government has paid 110,295,000 baht to 2,875 people who were proven to have had allergic reactions to a COVID-19 vaccine. The NHSO will compensate each patient based on their medical condition.

 

According to the NHSO, 2,641 people who needed to have regular medical treatment were paid a lump sum of 100,000 baht, 12 people who suffered disabilities were paid 240,000 baht and the families of 222 people who died were paid 400,000 baht.

 

Dr. Jadet added that the compensation is not the government's acceptance that the person’s condition had been caused by the COVID-19 vaccine, but it is paid to ease their suffering. People can ask for compensation through vaccination points, provincial public health offices and NHSO area offices. A subcommittee will consider their petitions and set the compensation amount. If they do not agree with the compensation, they can appeal to the NHSO within 30 days.

 

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[Rampant Rabbit]

Bargain,  no worries there  then.

[Will B Good]

So a 90 year old who dies would fall into the same category (400,000) as a 28 year old married man with four children (say).

 

Ridiculous 

[club]

What vaccine was it? Or is it a secret? 

[ezzra]

I'm severely suffering right NOW because of the Covid and i'm alive and likely to suffer even further and longer, what about some compo to people like us huh?...

[club]

16 minutes ago, ezzra said:

I'm severely suffering right NOW because of the Covid and i'm alive and likely to suffer even further and longer, what about some compo to people like us huh?...

Get better soon, Sorry to hear that

[cyril sneer]

39 minutes ago, club said:

What vaccine was it? Or is it a secret? 

it's a secret, you know why...

[Almer]

How many were  in good health and how many were Falang?

[IamNoone88]

The number of deaths related to the vaccine at 222 is extremely high with just 31.7 million total doses administered.

 

The UK has reported 72 deaths after 24.8 million first does and 23.9 million second doses of Astra Zenica. Ie 72 deaths per total 48.7. Million doses.

 

This unusually high number should be explained by the Government.

 

 

[hotchilli]

1 hour ago, ezzra said:

I'm severely suffering right NOW because of the Covid and i'm alive and likely to suffer even further and longer, what about some compo to people like us huh?...

Nadda...

[Chongalulu]

49 minutes ago, cyril sneer said:

1 hour ago, club said:

What vaccine was it? Or is it a secret? 

it's a secret, you know why...

The 'Signs' are all there.. ???? 

[thierryviteau]

6 minutes ago, IamNoone88 said:

The number of deaths related to the vaccine at 222 is extremely high with just 31.7 million total doses administered.

 

watching mainstream media too much ? 222 is clearly a lie that nobody with a brain would repeat.

and wait few more years to know the real figures...

 

 

[itsari]

1 hour ago, club said:

What vaccine was it? Or is it a secret? 

It is no secret that all vaccines are a risk and  covid 19 vaccines  from east or west are no different.

[club]

1 hour ago, itsari said:

It is no secret that all vaccines are a risk and  covid 19 vaccines  from east or west are no different.

So you are saying that ALL vaccines cause the same amount of deaths? Your wrong. They all have different results 

[itsari]

44 minutes ago, club said:

So you are saying that ALL vaccines cause the same amount of deaths? Your wrong. They all have different results 

How can i be wrong about a statement I never made ? Of memory I said all vaccines cause death . I never mentioned about how many or what vaccine is the worst culprit .

 

[Abik]

5 hours ago, club said:

What vaccine was it? Or is it a secret? 

Vaccines that do not work by the mRNA method but on the injection of the attenuated virus cause serious side effects.  Especially the Chinese, Russian Johnson & Johnson vaccine and to some extent also Astra Zenika.

[club]

3 minutes ago, Abik said:

Vaccines that do not work by the mRNA method but on the injection of the attenuated virus cause serious side effects.  Especially the Chinese, Russian Johnson & Johnson vaccine and to some extent also Astra Zenika.

So what your saying is its either AZ or Sinovac

[248900_1469958220]

I wonder if 222 is an underestimate......mmmmmm........The Thai govt would never (ahem...) do that though, 

[248900_1469958220]

How many 'breakthrough' cases does it take to stop calling them 'breakthrough' ?

[EricTh]

The Thai government should have broken down the statistics as to which vaccine, which dose, what age that caused severe reactions/deaths instead of denying the cause.

 

The Thais are lucky to have compensation, other countries are still denying that the cause of deaths were due to the vaccines and didn't even get 1 cent of compensation.

Edited September 5, 2021 by EricTh

[Antonymous]

3 hours ago, Flying Saucage said:

Please note that both mRNA vaccines (Pfizer, Moderna) and vector-vaccines against Corona (AstraZeneca, J+J) use completely new technologies (mRNA and DNA), which NEVER have need used for humans before. Therefore it is also not possible to exclude long term side effects, as these vaccines have been applied only around 10 months, so far. You simply don't know what could happen after a longer time. This is scary especially for children and pregnant women.

 

In countries which started early and which have high vaccination rates, now, after around 8 months, the infection rates surpass even countries with low vaccination rates. A good example are Israel on the one hand, and the Palestinian territories, Lebanon, Jordan on the other hand. The latter have way lower incidences now.

 

This seems to give a first hint that critics of the vaccines might be correct about auto-immunity issues caused by the vaccines.

 

I am vaccinated, 2x AstraZeneca. But I am very worried about the force and pressure in many countries already now, applied from politics, to get and accept  (possibly frequent) boosters, and to use vaccine passports to be allowed to take part on the social life, while at 5he same time it becomes more and more clear that the vaccines don't work reliably and don't stop the spreading of the virus.

 

Here a very insightful article about the different types of Corona vaccines:

 

https://cassandravoices.com/science-environment/science/healthy-people-do-not-require-genetic-vaccination/

 

This is a very informative article. Thank you for linking to it.

 

So many posters assume that the likes of Sinovac are ineffective, or possibly dangerous (as per the numbers in the OP) and so instead are looking to take an mRNA vaccine instead. I’d say that  the article linked to above is a must read for anyone taking or contemplating taking mRNA vaccines. The author concludes:

 

“Therefore, for the reasons I have outlined, I would not inject a healthy animal with an experimental genetic-vaccine, never mind a healthy human being.”

 

Some posters in these forums like to point out that Pfizer vax has FDA approval, as if that magically makes it safe. The article in your link gives alot of background that is very relevant to this issue.

 

Notwithstanding that the current available Pfizer vax has in fact not been given approval (it has extended emergency use only and therefore the manufacturers have no liability), or that two of the head honchos at the FDA have recently resigned, apparently because they could not accept the CDC and government interference in their work, the FDA itself is hardly the bastion of integrity and honesty that we might hope for in a regulating agency and they have a history of making serious blunders in the drugs that they approve. Here’s a quote from a recent New York Times article that explains this:

 

“Since the 1980s, the F.D.A. has been approving more new drugs, at a faster pace, and with fewer and weaker studies to support their safety and effectiveness. The agency has also been faulted for poor oversight of the clinical trials used to decide whether or not a drug is safe.

 

Both Donald Trump and President Biden have referred to F.D.A. approval as the “gold standard” of drug safety. It is a pretty tarnished gold.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/02/opinion/fda-drug-approval-trust.html

 

And this:

 

 “The Food and Drug Administration is under pressure from the Trump administration to approve drugs faster, but researchers at the Yale School of Medicine found that nearly a third of those approved from 2001 through 2010 had major safety issues years after the medications were made widely available to patients.

 

Seventy-one of the 222 drugs approved in the first decade of the millennium were withdrawn, required a "black box" warning on side effects or warranted a safety announcement about new risks, Dr. Joseph Ross, an associate professor of medicine at Yale School of Medicine, and colleagues reported in JAMA on Tuesday.”

 

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/05/09/527575055/one-third-of-new-drugs-had-safety-problems-after-fda-approval

 

I have nothing against anyone who chooses any type of vaccine. I just hope that whatever they take, they are fully informed of the nature and the risks of doing so.

Edited September 5, 2021 by Antonymous

[Scott]

7 hours ago, Flying Saucage said:

Please note that both mRNA vaccines (Pfizer, Moderna) and vector-vaccines against Corona (AstraZeneca, J+J) use completely new technologies (mRNA and DNA), which NEVER have need used for humans before. Therefore it is also not possible to exclude long term side effects, as these vaccines have been applied only around 10 months, so far. You simply don't know what could happen after a longer time. This is scary especially for children and pregnant women.

 

In countries which started early and which have high vaccination rates, now, after around 8 months, the infection rates surpass even countries with low vaccination rates. A good example are Israel on the one hand, and the Palestinian territories, Lebanon, Jordan on the other hand. The latter have way lower incidences now.

 

This seems to give a first hint that critics of the vaccines might be correct about auto-immunity issues caused by the vaccines.

 

I am vaccinated, 2x AstraZeneca. But I am very worried about the force and pressure in many countries already now, applied from politics, to get and accept  (possibly frequent) boosters, and to use vaccine passports to be allowed to take part on the social life, while at 5he same time it becomes more and more clear that the vaccines don't work reliably and don't stop the spreading of the virus.

 

Here a very insightful article about the different types of Corona vaccines:

 

https://cassandravoices.com/science-environment/science/healthy-people-do-not-require-genetic-vaccination/

 

To be clear, mRNA vaccine technology has been around since the 90's.  While an mRNA vaccine has never been on the market anywhere in the world, mRNA vaccines have been tested in humans before, for at least four infectious diseases: rabies, influenza, cytomegalovirus, and Zika.

 

 

[nkg]

15 hours ago, Will B Good said:

So a 90 year old who dies would fall into the same category (400,000) as a 28 year old married man with four children (say).

 

Ridiculous 

 

Most countries are not giving any compensation for vaccine related deaths. Deciding not to give anybody any money is certainly a "fairer" solution.

 

Thailand may have made many mistakes regarding covid, but offering this compensation isn't a bad idea. It provides a bit of relief for families who have suffered, and helps to encourage vaccine-hesitant people to go ahead with their vaccinations.

 

There is no possible "perfectly fair" compensation scheme, other than no compensation at all.

[Will B Good]

6 hours ago, nkg said:

 

Most countries are not giving any compensation for vaccine related deaths. Deciding not to give anybody any money is certainly a "fairer" solution.

 

Thailand may have made many mistakes regarding covid, but offering this compensation isn't a bad idea. It provides a bit of relief for families who have suffered, and helps to encourage vaccine-hesitant people to go ahead with their vaccinations.

 

There is no possible "perfectly fair" compensation scheme, other than no compensation at all.

Sorry! But It would take me 10 minutes to come up with a fairer system than "everyone gets the same money".

[jacko45k]

2 hours ago, pkspeaker said:

The UK is probably recording vaccine deaths as deaths from a 'precondition' in order to make the vaccines  appear safer than they really are

Probably, maybe, and no real idea! 

Back it up if you can.....else it is simply silliness. 

[nkg]

9 hours ago, Will B Good said:

Sorry! But It would take me 10 minutes to come up with a fairer system than "everyone gets the same money".

 

Well, I'd be interested to see it. I don't think it's as easy as you imagine.

 

I was once given the task of designing a system to give members of staff at a company a surprise one-off bonus. Seniority and rates of pay were not a factor. Hours worked, number of hours covered for other staff, hours of overtime worked were all stipulated as factors.

 

No matter what formula I came up with, it was obvious that certain members of staff would feel aggrieved at the outcome - and that included giving everyone the same amount (same for staff working 3 hours a week vs 60 hours a week).

 

You can guess what ended up happening to the surprise one-off bonus ...

[wprime]

On 9/5/2021 at 11:18 AM, ezzra said:

I'm severely suffering right NOW because of the Covid and i'm alive and likely to suffer even further and longer, what about some compo to people like us huh?...

No you need to get vaccinated and die to qualify.

[jacko45k]

13 hours ago, nkg said:

You can guess what ended up happening to the surprise one-off bonus ..

Everyone got a puppy?

[Harrith54]

On 9/5/2021 at 1:00 PM, itsari said:

It is no secret that all vaccines are a risk and  covid 19 vaccines  from east or west are no different.

I for that matter see in other Countries a surche of Covid variants, so these goverments tell, after the vaccine, twice jab, and many more Covid cases. So with OR without you are infectious and van administre infectious to others as well. In Israël, where about all people are injecties twice, they have enormous outbreak. So now they are injecting nr three and after that Will come fout etc... The jab Will continue, but not because of the virus, but there is something in the vaccin that does something else.

Wait for the upcomming surges and manditory vaccins, they Will Go on. Not against this variants they tell, because nobody in this time has found any virus yet. Only a immunereaction but the virus is yet to be found for real. So how act now???

[itsari]

6 minutes ago, Harrith54 said:

I for that matter see in other Countries a surche of Covid variants, so these goverments tell, after the vaccine, twice jab, and many more Covid cases. So with OR without you are infectious and van administre infectious to others as well. In Israël, where about all people are injecties twice, they have enormous outbreak. So now they are injecting nr three and after that Will come fout etc... The jab Will continue, but not because of the virus, but there is something in the vaccin that does something else.

Wait for the upcomming surges and manditory vaccins, they Will Go on. Not against this variants they tell, because nobody in this time has found any virus yet. Only a immunereaction but the virus is yet to be found for real. So how act now???

Confusing to say the least . I read that people that were fully vaccinated had more chance of contracting covid than a person unvaccinated and had recovered due to there own bodies immune system .

One fact seems clear is that fully vaccinated individuals have far less chance of suffering the worst of the symptoms covid offers .