Is Pattaya so bad?

[Gottfrid]

6 hours ago, Lucky Bones said:

Gottfrid, relax on your demographics. Have you not taken your happy medicine today?

Try some Bryan Ferry.....works for me.

 

No problem with that. I can´t be happier. It´s just that it bothers me real much when people get facts served, and still need to call it something else or try to bend it around the corner to twist it. That´s something children under the age of 12 do when they do no want to admit something. When I find myself in that situation I either stop the discussion or admit that I am wrong. Something I see as a sign that a person left childhood and are now an adult.

By the way, Bryan Ferry does not work on me. ACDC, Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, T-Rex and so on just might do the trick. ????

[Leaver]

12 hours ago, bkksteve123 said:

That true. Some gave discounts, many did not. I suspect the greedy landlords (who do not understand opportunity cost) are holding out, expecting the same old offers to come in as soon as Thailand reopens. They will be disappointed, maybe they will face reality and let the market tell them what it's worth, or just stubbornly keep it unoccupied ????

 

There's cases of many greedy Thai landlords not offering and covid rent discounts, leaving the tenant no option than to hand the keys back and walk away.  

 

It appears many of them would prefer their commercial premises sit closed, gathering dust, than to share some covid pain with their tenants.  

 

I can only see such premises that have a Thai landlords with that attitude sitting vacant until 2023, possibly into 2024.  

[Will B Good]

Any signs of life in Pattaya as of now?

 

Calling in next week to do passports.

 

Any point in stopping over?

Edited September 19, 2021 by Will B Good

[Leaver]

1 hour ago, Will B Good said:

Any signs of life in Pattaya as of now?

 

Define, "life?"

[Will B Good]

14 hours ago, Leaver said:

 

Define, "life?"

Oh! Life.

 

Bars.

[scubascuba3]

16 hours ago, Will B Good said:

Any signs of life in Pattaya as of now?

 

Calling in next week to do passports.

 

Any point in stopping over?

the alchys manage to find thai drinking spots or you can make do with restaurants, massage shops and thai friendly

[Will B Good]

3 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

the alchys manage to find thai drinking spots or you can make do with restaurants, massage shops and thai friendly

Thanks.

 

Do you know if the big hotels have bars/restaurants serving alcohol? (beginning to sound like an alcoholic.....I hardly ever drink)

[JensenZ]

On 9/7/2021 at 2:45 PM, bkk6060 said:

Many burn outs sitting too much in bars.  And, mostly those who will bag on and complain about any place.     

 

Everyone burns out sooner or later. Who cares where it is done. Where should they be sitting? Where would they be sitting if they were back in their home countries? Where would they be sitting if they were living on a farm in Isan?

 

Pattaya is a fine place to burn out.

[JensenZ]

On 9/7/2021 at 11:41 PM, Leaver said:

 

And what progress have you seen her since 2013?  ????

I would say a progressive and rapid closure of 1000's of businesses is high on the list of changes since 2013. You'll have to look very hard to see a tourist bus.

[kinyara]

12 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

Thanks.

 

Do you know if the big hotels have bars/restaurants serving alcohol? (beginning to sound like an alcoholic.....I hardly ever drink)

I would think they'd be adhering to the current ban on serving alcohol, come to think of it I wonder how many are actually open.

[JensenZ]

On 9/18/2021 at 6:56 AM, Gottfrid said:

I am very sad to read that so many people living in Pattaya, are comparing it to Jomtien, and saying they prefer Pattaya over Jomtien or the other way around. 

Would be really nice of you to understand that Jomtien is a name for a part of Pattaya. It stands under the same municipality. In other words you all live in the same city! When I move somewhere I always take the time to know where I am.

 

I don´t know, but maybe there are too many bars in Pattaya. It´s just something I´ve heard they say, that too much drinking seems to make people stupid.

I was wondering when someone was going to settle the matter and state the obvious. "Pattaya" is everywhere from Naklua to Jomtien, and the Dark side too. I live right at the border of Jomtien/Pattaya, on the hill. There hasn't been any busy areas since March last year. There's nothing going on anywhere and I don't believe it will ever be like it was before Covid.

[scubascuba3]

1 hour ago, Will B Good said:

Thanks.

 

Do you know if the big hotels have bars/restaurants serving alcohol? (beginning to sound like an alcoholic.....I hardly ever drink)

No it's not allowed, if they do, expect a raid including you, on the news yesterday in Samui, falangs arrested

Edited September 20, 2021 by scubascuba3

[Gottfrid]

1 hour ago, JensenZ said:

I was wondering when someone was going to settle the matter and state the obvious. "Pattaya" is everywhere from Naklua to Jomtien, and the Dark side too. I live right at the border of Jomtien/Pattaya, on the hill. There hasn't been any busy areas since March last year. There's nothing going on anywhere and I don't believe it will ever be like it was before Covid.

Might go back to some of what it once was. However, Pattaya is actually a nice and beautiful place, as well as a modernized city in small scale that caters to most nationalities. That will probably remain.

[Hanuman2547]

On 9/18/2021 at 5:04 AM, Gottfrid said:

Seems like too many are thinking that, or anyway posting it clearly making it sound like that. I will help you with some examples below, so you maybe can get a grip and get why I post my original post.
 

Here we have one example: He lived in Jomtien for years, and later moved to Pattaya. Now will move from Pattaya to Jomtien again. Actually been living in Pattaya all the time, but do not seem to get that. ???? 

 

Also here we make a difference in relation to a city compared to a district. In reality, if Jomtien have gays, then Pattaya also have gays as it is thee same city.

 

And here is a supermarket discussion, making it sound like there is a Makro in Jomtien so you do not need to move to Pattaya for that. Really? Jomtien is Pattaya!

Ok, we get it.  Just chill dude........and have a lovely day.

Bill Withers - Lovely Day (Official Audio) - YouTube

[Gottfrid]

10 hours ago, Hanuman2547 said:

Ok, we get it.  Just chill dude........and have a lovely day.

Bill Withers - Lovely Day (Official Audio) - YouTube

No problem, I am over it already as it was 3 days ago. Anyway, I can see that the forum fills a purpose for the ones who are looking for old information.

[jacko45k]

On 9/19/2021 at 6:16 PM, Will B Good said:

Any signs of life in Pattaya as of now?

 

Calling in next week to do passports.

 

Any point in stopping over?

Lot of traffic coming into town Sunday after midday... and Mall moderately busy..... what you looking for?

[Leaver]

On 9/20/2021 at 10:56 AM, JensenZ said:

I would say a progressive and rapid closure of 1000's of businesses is high on the list of changes since 2013. You'll have to look very hard to see a tourist bus.

 

The reopening of commercial premises wasn't happening as quickly as in the past, just prior to covid.  Newbie dreamers were not as common as they used to be.

 

Now, with covid, many premises with stay closed for a considerable amount of time, post covid.  

[Leaver]

On 9/20/2021 at 9:49 AM, Will B Good said:

Oh! Life.

 

Bars.

 

Zero life, and probably be that way for some time.  

[Lucky Bones]

On 9/8/2021 at 12:27 AM, Tanomazu said:

Probably experiences related do drunks, brawls, bad traffic, overcrowding before Covid.

Yeah, plenty Blokes probably too drunk to take a girl back to the hotel.

Bad traffic and overcrowding never worried me from a cutie.

[Lemsta69]

24 minutes ago, Lucky Bones said:

Yeah, plenty Blokes probably too drunk to take a girl back to the hotel.

Bad traffic and overcrowding never worried me from a cutie.

my humble opinion is that people bag Pattaya because they're puritans or they're jealous of its success.

 

a lot of people seem to that think that the P word doesn't happen in the rest of Thailand and that it's the dirty farang that introduced it there. but as we all (should) know, and as I've seen for myself, this is patently false. it just happens behind closed doors (or curtains) and the Thai blokes are clever enough to not go around shouting about it at the top of their lungs. or putting up videos on YouTube <deleted>.

 

for the record I had no idea about the wine, women and song before I came to Thailand. my first visit was to Chaweng Beach on Koh Samui in 1997 where of course I promptly discovered the "scene" and fell into its loving embrace ????

 

then I met an English fellow who took me up to Pattaya because he was bored with the island and convinced me to come along. again, I had no preconceived notions about the place so went there first time with a completely open mind. all my mate said was "if you like Samui you'll love Pattaya".

 

I loved it from the start. for all the positive reasons that have been mentioned here before and a few of my own. unlike many who consider Pattaya as not the "real Thailand" I see the place as quintessentially Thai; savvy local business people saw an opportunity and gave the customers what they wanted. or found out what they liked to do back in their home countries and built it for them by the sea. and what a succes it has become.

 

I'm currently serving time in Prison Australia but I've recently retired and am looking forward to returning to my beloved Patts as soon as I get all my ducks in a row.

 

ps. I'm in the "Jomtien and Pattaya are separate" camp ☺️

[JensenZ]

13 hours ago, Leaver said:

 

The reopening of commercial premises wasn't happening as quickly as in the past, just prior to covid.  Newbie dreamers were not as common as they used to be.

 

Now, with covid, many premises with stay closed for a considerable amount of time, post covid.  

Yes, the situation was not great even before covid. A good example was Terminal 21 where tenants were struggling to stay afloat.  

[sanuk711]

On 9/7/2021 at 1:56 PM, Lucky Bones said:

Why do people enjoy bagging Pattaya,

.......bad experiences?

I dont know Lucky---I spent my first 6 years between BKK-Pattaya..... although what attracted me then doesn't now,

I had ball... in fact I told the girl I was with at the time,

 

When I die I want my remains scattered around Pattaya .......and I dont want to be Cremated............

[Lucky Bones]

On 9/19/2021 at 7:48 AM, Gottfrid said:

No problem with that. I can´t be happier. It´s just that it bothers me real much when people get facts served, and still need to call it something else or try to bend it around the corner to twist it. That´s something children under the age of 12 do when they do no want to admit something. When I find myself in that situation I either stop the discussion or admit that I am wrong. Something I see as a sign that a person left childhood and are now an adult.

By the way, Bryan Ferry does not work on me. ACDC, Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, T-Rex and so on just might do the trick. ????

Pattaya is still a good place to live. It is perhaps all just relative to which side of the bed we wake up on. Hey, very, very good music selection Bloke but I also reckon you need to try some very early Roxy Music, especially "In Every Dream Home a Heartache" where everything goes totally bat s*#t in the second half......Cheers Bloke and give it a blast????

[Lucky Bones]

On 9/19/2021 at 7:48 AM, Gottfrid said:

No problem with that. I can´t be happier. It´s just that it bothers me real much when people get facts served, and still need to call it something else or try to bend it around the corner to twist it. That´s something children under the age of 12 do when they do no want to admit something. When I find myself in that situation I either stop the discussion or admit that I am wrong. Something I see as a sign that a person left childhood and are now an adult.

By the way, Bryan Ferry does not work on me. ACDC, Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, T-Rex and so on just might do the trick. ????

Oh, forgot to add that I saw T. Rex Adelaide 1974. Awesome????????

[chalawaan]

I know two much younger wingmen who I met online years ago, as it happens they are also single, one has a law practice (USA) the other a medical practice (Europe).

 

The legal guy in particular is a high rolling monger, he would visit LoS and the PI every high season, both these guys always film their romps, and that costs extra these days! I mention these details only to set the scene, they are not two-week millionaires, they ARE millionaires, with no home commitments.

 

Before Covid, they "discovered" Colombia, and they raved about it!

 

These guys are savvy and cynical mongers, but they swore up, down, and sideways it was the new holy grail of the monger experience.

 

They are also familiar with Germany's plush but affordable "gentlemens club" scene, which I can personally vouch leaves LoS very much wanting in terms of the whole package, it's very different, everything happens on premises, but think of an all inclusive day-resort, with an orgy room/porn theatre, private rooms, pool table, sports bar, sauna, jacuzzi, bbq area, nap areas, summer pool, private garden cabanas, quality buffet, bevs included, you get the idea. on top of that, for those that have a problem with it, you won't see many Asian mongers there either! Some close at 2am some go 24/7 but the only thing you can't do is reside there, you must leave and return at some point before 24 hours is up.

 

Now, the Doctor has already spent 2 weeks in Medellin this month, September,m nothing needed but his vaccination certificate!  Here, that's still just quarantine, before you even get the smell of your first Chang (ugh!)

 

The lawyer was there (Medellin) earlier back in January. I was there with both of them just as the world was shutting down, made it back here by the skin of my teeth!

And I too was impressed, by everything, its not as safe as here, but its no longer even close to as bad as it was in the Escobar days, apart from that the food, the vibe, the women, the climate, the PRICE, are all on point. In addition, the turmoil in Venezuela has sent the worlds most beautiful women streaming in, further making it a mongers market.

There are no lady drink scams no barfining, and that's barely even a scene there, the girls will book you in on Facebook Tinder or a local custom app, then come over to your secure casa or hotel with a little "green" or "white" party starters on request for a small extra fee.

 

These guys can also get to Colombia faster than they can get to here, even in normal times.

 

The young doc recently sent me a terse assessment of LoS as we discussed the situation and his recent hassle-free Colombian trip "Chalawaan" he said "Not only now, it's been f*d for the last five years, I won't be back."

 

And now consider the two-week millionaires, by far the bulk of mongers, and the Indian gentlemen who as you can see from their infamous antics "bulk-bill" a single girl (LoL) do you think these guys could afford all this extra nonsense? Or if they can, is it value? 

 

The "authorities" as they like to call themselves, have zero understanding even of the better class of tourists needs, as the Canadian couple who's complaints went viral,showed the world.

 

They have not a clue how to win back the bulk of the real money (sex trade), which mostly went directly to support their agricultural and urban underclass. 

How dense do you need to be to make prostitution and gambling illegal, when you can clearly see how much they are a part of the culture anyway? And how many Thai mouths they feed that otherwise will literally now go begging?

 

I wont predict the future, but that's how things are looking for Pattaya, Bangkok, and Angeles right now. As Captain Blackadder once said "I've been more impressed with the contents of my handkerchief."

 

 

Edited September 25, 2021 by chalawaan

[Leaver]

8 hours ago, JensenZ said:

Yes, the situation was not great even before covid. A good example was Terminal 21 where tenants were struggling to stay afloat.  

 

The brand name shops in Central and T21 are trying to sell products to Chinese and Indian tourists, who make up the majority of tourists here, that can buy the same product in their home country for cheaper.  

 

There will be some nationalities from countries where some products are not readily available, but with Pattaya / Thailand targeting developing nations, many of the shops in these malls have no real market here now.   

[CharlieH]

Reported personal attack removed.

 

Obsetve forum rules please.

[Leaver]

7 hours ago, chalawaan said:

I know two much younger wingmen who I met online years ago, as it happens they are also single, one has a law practice (USA) the other a medical practice (Europe).

 

The legal guy in particular is a high rolling monger, he would visit LoS and the PI every high season, both these guys always film their romps, and that costs extra these days! I mention these details only to set the scene, they are not two-week millionaires, they ARE millionaires, with no home commitments.

 

Before Covid, they "discovered" Colombia, and they raved about it!

 

These guys are savvy and cynical mongers, but they swore up, down, and sideways it was the new holy grail of the monger experience.

 

They are also familiar with Germany's plush but affordable "gentlemens club" scene, which I can personally vouch leaves LoS very much wanting in terms of the whole package, it's very different, everything happens on premises, but think of an all inclusive day-resort, with an orgy room/porn theatre, private rooms, pool table, sports bar, sauna, jacuzzi, bbq area, nap areas, summer pool, private garden cabanas, quality buffet, bevs included, you get the idea. on top of that, for those that have a problem with it, you won't see many Asian mongers there either! Some close at 2am some go 24/7 but the only thing you can't do is reside there, you must leave and return at some point before 24 hours is up.

 

Now, the Doctor has already spent 2 weeks in Medellin this month, September,m nothing needed but his vaccination certificate!  Here, that's still just quarantine, before you even get the smell of your first Chang (ugh!)

 

The lawyer was there (Medellin) earlier back in January. I was there with both of them just as the world was shutting down, made it back here by the skin of my teeth!

And I too was impressed, by everything, its not as safe as here, but its no longer even close to as bad as it was in the Escobar days, apart from that the food, the vibe, the women, the climate, the PRICE, are all on point. In addition, the turmoil in Venezuela has sent the worlds most beautiful women streaming in, further making it a mongers market.

There are no lady drink scams no barfining, and that's barely even a scene there, the girls will book you in on Facebook Tinder or a local custom app, then come over to your secure casa or hotel with a little "green" or "white" party starters on request for a small extra fee.

 

These guys can also get to Colombia faster than they can get to here, even in normal times.

 

The young doc recently sent me a terse assessment of LoS as we discussed the situation and his recent hassle-free Colombian trip "Chalawaan" he said "Not only now, it's been f*d for the last five years, I won't be back."

 

And now consider the two-week millionaires, by far the bulk of mongers, and the Indian gentlemen who as you can see from their infamous antics "bulk-bill" a single girl (LoL) do you think these guys could afford all this extra nonsense? Or if they can, is it value? 

 

The "authorities" as they like to call themselves, have zero understanding even of the better class of tourists needs, as the Canadian couple who's complaints went viral,showed the world.

 

They have not a clue how to win back the bulk of the real money (sex trade), which mostly went directly to support their agricultural and urban underclass. 

How dense do you need to be to make prostitution and gambling illegal, when you can clearly see how much they are a part of the culture anyway? And how many Thai mouths they feed that otherwise will literally now go begging?

 

I wont predict the future, but that's how things are looking for Pattaya, Bangkok, and Angeles right now. As Captain Blackadder once said "I've been more impressed with the contents of my handkerchief."

 

 

 

Good post.

 

As I have said before, in many ways, Thailand will be like the Nokia phone company.  They and a huge slice of market share, and eventually went broke.  

 

[Lucky Bones]

On 9/7/2021 at 2:16 PM, ubonjoe said:

Moved to the Pattaya forum.

Hi Ubonjoe, or anyone.

Can you please help me to find the correct forum to post in?

The drop down directory is not totally helpful to me. 

Maybe I'm just slow. Cheers????????

 

 

[JensenZ]

21 hours ago, Leaver said:

 

The brand name shops in Central and T21 are trying to sell products to Chinese and Indian tourists, who make up the majority of tourists here, that can buy the same product in their home country for cheaper.  

 

There will be some nationalities from countries where some products are not readily available, but with Pattaya / Thailand targeting developing nations, many of the shops in these malls have no real market here now.   

These name brand shops target Thais too, and maninly Thais actually, who do like the products. They are the stores you'll see all over Thailand in the major shopping malls. Let's go through a few of the prominent ones which come to mind. H&M, CCdouble0, Jaspal, Misty Mynx, Aldo, Guess, Addidas, Puma, Nike, Apple, Samsung, Oppo... and many, many others. Do you think there aren't sufficient Thai people with money that can afford name brands? These stores would not exist if not for Thai customers. Here's a good example, Apple is bringing the new iPhone13 range to stores early this year (October 8) and the consensus is they will run out of units. That's not foreigners buy iPhones. We're talking about a range of cellphones costing 30k and up. Same thing with Samsung when the new lines come out.

 

Of course business is very low now as most shops have been closed for a long time due to lockdowns, but every mall is in the same boat in every part of Thailand. Pattaya cannot be singled out.