Have any of you teachers received the ultimatum yet?

[user1047]

Has your agency or school (if you're a direct hire) told you the date you'll be terminated if you don't get the vaccine? I have. A bit creepy. 

 

If I wasn't afraid of having to take more vaccines in the future, I'd maybe be ok taking a weaker, non mrna vaccine like Sinovac just to keep my visa, but I think this is just a start. Now the news is talking about booster shots. A better vaccine will come out later. Etc. I see where this is going.

 

Please only answer if you're in the same situation as me. I've already heard all the arguments of why I should take the vaccine. I'm just curious what other teachers who prefer wait a bit are going to do.

[248900_1469958220]

May I ask how much time they have given you? 

[248900_1469958220]

I have a friend that teaches at a school in my area. He went to one of the mass vaccinations at a mall organised by the school. According to him a few teachers were sacked for not going. The writing is on the wall. What options do we have? Its a rock and a hard place. Unfortunately, not having a little app on my phone saying I have been jabbed, is going to lead to troubled waters, in the not to distant future. I am reluctantly going to get a jab today...........If we dont what do we do? Get another job? It will be an issue for ALL jobs here. Go to another country? Which? They have us by the balls. 

 

Many friends working here in Universities...at schools etc have been hounded into getting a jab. Right now its not 'official' or doesnt seem to be....but does it even have to be? Man, what a world. 

[MarcelV]

I teach at a school in one of the worst affected provinces in the south. Some (many?) of our teachers don't want to get the vaccine due to religious reasons. Combined with the huge infection rates in our area, I have reason to believe that, contrary to the rest of the country, schools will stay closed for on-site learning during the entire second semester.

What a huge freakin' loss to the students!

I'm afraid some may never be able to catch up. As teachers we are fortunate to still get paid. I can't see my school cutting teachers who don't get the shot.

[LeatFingies]

I’m not getting the vaccine. I haven’t been told that I will be fired, but I doubt they will resign my contract. I’m not willing to sell out.
 

Even if I was vaccinated, I don’t think I would be teaching much longer due to the probability of contracting it when working in close proximity with so many people. 

[Bluespunk]

If taking the vaccine is a condition of your being employed and you don't want to adhere to the condition, then you have to accept you may be dismissed...

Edited October 6, 2021 by Bluespunk

[248900_1469958220]

Well, after A LOT of thought.....some anger....many many questions I freaking bit the bullet. I feel I have no choice. I am NOT happy with the whole virus situation and how its been handled. I think information is being suppressed. I dont think all is rosy with the vaccines....I chose to get Sinovac. The ladies were shocked....They had to check with someone "Farang mai yaak dai Pfizer"!!!! I have my reasons. I have left this decision till now. I have looked into all these vaccines as well as anyone with average/ slightly above average intelligence can ha!! I went with the traditional style vaccine, not new tech mrna. I asked if I can get Sinovac for my second and was told I can. They then asked what I would want for my booster!!! That's a step too far for me to be talking about lady.....

 

All I care about is that, in 2 months or maybe less IF and I mean IF kids go back I will be able to show their little 'fully vaccinated' card...or 'app' or whatever it is. I have thought about all alternatives, believe me. Again, I see no option.... I am not happy. I think boosters are inevitable but again, I am going to put that off as long as I can. The vaccines efficacy, even the bees knees Western vaccines seem to wane within months. Treatments, which should have been pushed for months ago may be available to us all if this actually does make any of us sick......

 

I will be getting shot number 2 in two weeks......What a world.

[youreavinalaff]

1 hour ago, 248900_1469958220 said:

Well, after A LOT of thought.....some anger....many many questions I freaking bit the bullet. I feel I have no choice. I am NOT happy with the whole virus situation and how its been handled. I think information is being suppressed. I dont think all is rosy with the vaccines....I chose to get Sinovac. The ladies were shocked....They had to check with someone "Farang mai yaak dai Pfizer"!!!! I have my reasons. I have left this decision till now. I have looked into all these vaccines as well as anyone with average/ slightly above average intelligence can ha!! I went with the traditional style vaccine, not new tech mrna. I asked if I can get Sinovac for my second and was told I can. They then asked what I would want for my booster!!! That's a step too far for me to be talking about lady.....

 

All I care about is that, in 2 months or maybe less IF and I mean IF kids go back I will be able to show their little 'fully vaccinated' card...or 'app' or whatever it is. I have thought about all alternatives, believe me. Again, I see no option.... I am not happy. I think boosters are inevitable but again, I am going to put that off as long as I can. The vaccines efficacy, even the bees knees Western vaccines seem to wane within months. Treatments, which should have been pushed for months ago may be available to us all if this actually does make any of us sick......

 

I will be getting shot number 2 in two weeks......What a world.

I hope you are not planning on travelling anytime soon.

 

What happens if Thailand joins the group "2 shots of Sinovac is not considered vaccinated"?

[248900_1469958220]

5 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

I hope you are not planning on travelling anytime soon.

 

What happens if Thailand joins the group "2 shots of Sinovac is not considered vaccinated"?

No, I am not planning on travelling soon. At some point, like all pandemics in human history, this will end.  I am going to bide my time. Australia has just recognised Sinovac. I am doing it to keep up with what will likely happen within 2 months.....Boosters are being debated. It seems they may only be required for a certain percentage. My parents are in Australia. If they have to come here for a visit sometime in the next 2 years because I am not allowed, so be it. This situation is evolving. I am just trying to do what I can in the circumstances. 

Edited October 6, 2021 by 248900_1469958220

[Lakegeneve]

1 hour ago, 248900_1469958220 said:

Well, after A LOT of thought.....some anger....many many questions I freaking bit the bullet. I feel I have no choice. I am NOT happy with the whole virus situation and how its been handled. I think information is being suppressed. I dont think all is rosy with the vaccines....I chose to get Sinovac. The ladies were shocked....They had to check with someone "Farang mai yaak dai Pfizer"!!!! I have my reasons. I have left this decision till now. I have looked into all these vaccines as well as anyone with average/ slightly above average intelligence can ha!! I went with the traditional style vaccine, not new tech mrna. I asked if I can get Sinovac for my second and was told I can. They then asked what I would want for my booster!!! That's a step too far for me to be talking about lady.....

 

All I care about is that, in 2 months or maybe less IF and I mean IF kids go back I will be able to show their little 'fully vaccinated' card...or 'app' or whatever it is. I have thought about all alternatives, believe me. Again, I see no option.... I am not happy. I think boosters are inevitable but again, I am going to put that off as long as I can. The vaccines efficacy, even the bees knees Western vaccines seem to wane within months. Treatments, which should have been pushed for months ago may be available to us all if this actually does make any of us sick......

 

I will be getting shot number 2 in two weeks......What a world.

Honestly, there is so much to unpack in this post that it is difficult to know where to start. It is patently clear that you need to discuss the reality of vaccines and options with a competent medical professional given that you assert many patent misconceptions. I'm not seeking to get into a back and forth here, but would really urge you to do so. However, it is a concern that you seemingly don't acknowledge your duty of care to the children by protecting your health and as a consequence their health.

 

That being said, your choice of Sinovac was probably the worst option in terms of efficacy  (as even acknowledged by the Thai govt in providing non Sino 2nd jabs and booster shots to many). Also, Sinovac vaccinations are currently not recognised, by many western jurisdictions eg. EU so if travel is on the horizon within the next 6-12 months that might be an issue for you?

[248900_1469958220]

Just now, Lakegeneve said:

Honestly, there is so much to unpack in this post that it is difficult to know where to start. It is patently clear that you need to discuss the reality of vaccines and options with a competent medical professional given that you assert many patent misconceptions. I'm not seeking to get into a back and forth here, but would really urge you to do so. However, it is a concern that you seemingly don't acknowledge your duty of care to the children by protecting your health and as a consequence their health.

 

That being said, your choice of Sinovac was probably the worst option in terms of efficacy  (as even acknowledged by the Thai govt in providing non Sino 2nd jabs and booster shots to many). Also, Sinovac vaccinations are currently not recognised, by many western jurisdictions eg. EU so if travel is on the horizon within the next 6-12 months that might be an issue for you?

Not on the agenda no. 

[WhiteBuffaloATM]

So many over-educated “persons” around……unable to function properly in the real world……

wouldnt want them anywhere near my kids…. its hardly a difficult choice……. take best vax you can to best protect yourself, kids in your charge and family/ friends…… or be a dithering hand-wringing anti- vaxxer , without your job……..

 

[Denim]

8 hours ago, 248900_1469958220 said:

I am reluctantly going to get a jab today

Where and what is the jab ? Walk in or booked ?

[zyphodb]

18 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

If taking the vaccine is a condition of your being employed and you don't want to adhere to the condition, then you have to accept you may be dismissed...

But it isn't is it? nothing on my contract or any others I should imagine about having to take an experimental medical procedure to keep working... 

[zyphodb]

I haven't had the ultimatum yet, but am half expecting it, however the director knows my views on experimental "vaccines" and may be pragmatic and not push it, as he should realise that his chances of getting another Native English speaking teacher to keep his English programme going in the backwoods of Isaan are pretty slim. Also he may not want to end up in the Labor courts for sacking me when he's the one who's broken the contract of employment...

Edited October 7, 2021 by zyphodb
spelling

[4MyEgo]

18 hours ago, johng said:

Too true,  wouldn't want any "free thinkers"  infecting kids with their crazy ideas would we ????

Then the kids taking it home to their parents/grand parents/carers and anyone else, school bus driver, other kids etc etc.

 

Nursing home, hospital staff, teachers and another list of people who are in contact with the elderly & kids should get vaccinated, but the choice is theirs, if not willing to comply for the greater good, then resign, it's not difficult to fall on ones sword if one feels so strong, I would respect someone more for doing so, then saying the world is not fair, it isn't in case you just woke up.

 

Take it or move on.

[kwak250]

Last thing i ever wanted to do was get the vaccine.

Problem is when you do get the covid virus its too late to get the jab.

Don't think getting the jab is a "sell out"action.

Better than "pass out" ending up in a bed amongst hundreds of others at a  disused sports stadium or local temple.

 

[Tracyb]

Just an observation…….   In America, over 90% of people hospitalized with severe Covid are not vaccinated.  What does that tell us?

[ClaySmc]

16 hours ago, 248900_1469958220 said:

traditional style vaccine

As I understand it the AZ and the J&J vaccines are traditional. So if available you might look into them for #2 or a booster.

[Resident Alien]

16 hours ago, 248900_1469958220 said:

Well, after A LOT of thought.....some anger....many many questions I freaking bit the bullet. I feel I have no choice. I am NOT happy with the whole virus situation and how its been handled. I think information is being suppressed. I dont think all is rosy with the vaccines....I chose to get Sinovac. The ladies were shocked....They had to check with someone "Farang mai yaak dai Pfizer"!!!! I have my reasons. I have left this decision till now. I have looked into all these vaccines as well as anyone with average/ slightly above average intelligence can ha!! I went with the traditional style vaccine, not new tech mrna. I asked if I can get Sinovac for my second and was told I can. They then asked what I would want for my booster!!! That's a step too far for me to be talking about lady.....

 

All I care about is that, in 2 months or maybe less IF and I mean IF kids go back I will be able to show their little 'fully vaccinated' card...or 'app' or whatever it is. I have thought about all alternatives, believe me. Again, I see no option.... I am not happy. I think boosters are inevitable but again, I am going to put that off as long as I can. The vaccines efficacy, even the bees knees Western vaccines seem to wane within months. Treatments, which should have been pushed for months ago may be available to us all if this actually does make any of us sick......

 

I will be getting shot number 2 in two weeks......What a world.

Please educate yourself properly:

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/covid-19-vaccines/explainers

[CharlieH]

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[ifmu]

holy crup  get the vac  and keep your students safe from the virus  dont dick around get a good one if u can 

why the heck would u even contemplate not getting it ?

[ifmu]

12 minutes ago, Tracyb said:

Just an observation…….   In America, over 90% of people hospitalized with severe Covid are not vaccinated.  What does that tell us?

that is correct   ... bunch of idiots in usa ..  pandemic of the stupid 

[chrissables]

53 minutes ago, JustinCredible said:

And to think, people like this are allowed to teach our children.  Heaven help them.

Maybe it will help people question the regulations, and try to understand what is happening around them. That would be educating.

 

America's under 17 year old covid death rate is 0.67 % of the total death rate for the same age group.

 

That is worth understanding too.

Edited October 7, 2021 by chrissables

[hotchilli]

19 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

If taking the vaccine is a condition of your being employed and you don't want to adhere to the condition, then you have to accept you may be dismissed...

Exactly... especially if you're a guest teacher in Thailand.

 

[Crazy Noobie]

I read over a lot of the posts and there are some good points being made. But I believe the bottom line is, do I want to keep my job or move on? If you get the jab, you keep your job, if you don't, then it's time to move on. Your choice, no one else's. You can blame the school, government and so on, but this is the new "normal" and you just have to live with it or move on. This virus has turned the world upside down. I am sorry you have been in this position, but the choice is yours. If you have a family here, you need to also think of how it will affect them. Good luck on your choice.

[chrissables]

11 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

Exactly... especially if you're a guest teacher in Thailand.

 

Surely that would depend on the contract of work. I doubt very much it's written into contracts at the moment. The issue will arrive with the start of a new contract.

[Bagwain]

35 minutes ago, Tracyb said:

Just an observation…….   In America, over 90% of people hospitalized with severe Covid are not vaccinated.  What does that tell us?

Figures a doggy at best coming out of the US. In Australia and other counties the vaxed are higher numbers in hospitals!

[CrunchWrapSupreme]

I've been given no ultimatum, yet still want the vaccine for mine and others' safety, considering the profession I'm in. Agree with the other posters, you really don't have the luxury of taking the anti-vax position as a teacher, responsible for the lives of children, nor as a guest in a foreign country where it's becoming a requirement.

 

Out here the US donation of Pfizer was earmarked for foreigners, which a few others have received. I've been on the list awhile but still no word for me yet. Every day hundreds of people still at the big govt hospital for their vax. I might just have to bite the bullet and pay for it at the private hospital.

 

I see in the US some anti-vax teachers are now getting their pink slips (sacked) for doing so. If you're K-12 qualified as I am, going back to snag their $60k/yr and retirement plans sure sounds tempting. Though I wouldn't want to live and work in CA or NY.

[248900_1469958220]

14 hours ago, Denim said:

Where and what is the jab ? Walk in or booked ?

Through Dept of Foreign Affairs. I applied about 3 days ago...got the message to go and went yesterday. There was hardly anyone there, which surprised me. They gave me a choice of 3 jabs. I was in and out in 45 mins. This was in Pathumtani Province.