The problem with sex education in Thailand

[seedy]

3 hours ago, Orinoco said:

Uncles and brothers often help in this department. 

TIT.

This is the world, don't single out LOS

My view - those found guilty will be top story on the 6 o'clock news.

Publicly flogged, castrated, and sent to prison.

If you place them in Gen Pop the bill to house and feed them will be small, as will their life expectancy.

 

[Orinoco]

26 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

Putting a condom on a banana doesn't stop pregnancy.

This is true.

But is does help with learning how to put a condom on

hands free. 

 

[scorecard]

9 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Buddy left it a bit late.... should have had a boot up the derrière somewhat sooner!

Point taken, I would have reacted sooner too. Unfortunate truth, at that time the mother and father were away from the house long hours every day starting a business. A maid/housekeeper was at the house all day but typically was too frightened to speak up.

 

(I suspect most farang know that a maid speaking up, about anything, would likely generate severe anger/instant loss of job, sad but true.)

[Almer]

1 hour ago, Gottfrid said:

Teaching about being carful with strangers is not sex education! It is also something that is the sole responsibility of the parents, and has absolutely nothing to do with kindergarten teaching. Sex education starting at 8-9 years of age, is perfectly enough.

I didn’t need to be told about the risks from family friends or where ever, my parents ensiled in me common sense and that has got me to 72 years of age without to much bother, common sense is all you need to get through life.

With regard education in Thailand, i was shocked when my wife’s daughter asked me to check her online English work, I was shocked this is 12/13 year old stuff and she is waiting to go to high school, a typical example, Mr Jones says “ 

I will ………………, took, take, 6 please.

before you all tell me this is not a Thai child’s first language, she is and has been doing English language at her school, and wants to be an interpreter, she will learn a lot more from me on her weekends at home if she ever gets to High school.

[Wookie]

When I was eight years old I asked my mother where I came from. My mother quickly left the room saying that she had to take a pan off the stove. I then asked my father. He looked embarrassed, hesitated and then told me they found me in the garden under a flower. I spent the rest of that day looking around the garden. I subsequently learned about sex by listening to older children at primary school ! Even later on when I was at Grammar school the Biology lessons only discussed how plants reproduce !

[Orinoco]

32 minutes ago, Almer said:

I didn’t need to be told about the risks from family friends or where ever, my parents ensiled in me common sense and that has got me to 72 years of age without to much bother, common sense is all you need to get through life.

With regard education in Thailand, i was shocked when my wife’s daughter asked me to check her online English work, I was shocked this is 12/13 year old stuff and she is waiting to go to high school, a typical example, Mr Jones says “ 

I will ………………, took, take, 6 please.

before you all tell me this is not a Thai child’s first language, she is and has been doing English language at her school, and wants to be an interpreter, she will learn a lot more from me on her weekends at home if she ever gets to High school.

The problem is everyone will pass all exams. !!!!!!!!!!!!

Money and face. are well in the mix in Thailand.

TIT.

[Gottfrid]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I'd have been so mortified if my parents had tried to educate me about sex I wouldn't have heard a word.

Far better to be educated by experts, but most teachers are probably also embarrassed by teaching it to kids. Should be special teachers that travel around, and not known to the kids.

Really? See it for what it is! What I wrote was that teaching respect for strangers and not follow them was the parents job. Sex education can be done in school at the same time it is the parents job too. How you felt or would have felt is irrelevant.

The only thing you did with your comment, was confirming the relationship with your parents was not very good.

Edited November 8, 2021 by Gottfrid

[Gottfrid]

45 minutes ago, Almer said:

I didn’t need to be told about the risks from family friends or where ever, my parents ensiled in me common sense and that has got me to 72 years of age without to much bother, common sense is all you need to get through life.

With regard education in Thailand, i was shocked when my wife’s daughter asked me to check her online English work, I was shocked this is 12/13 year old stuff and she is waiting to go to high school, a typical example, Mr Jones says “ 

I will ………………, took, take, 6 please.

before you all tell me this is not a Thai child’s first language, she is and has been doing English language at her school, and wants to be an interpreter, she will learn a lot more from me on her weekends at home if she ever gets to High school.

You are right! However, in Thailand it is necessary with sex education.

[khunPer]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If kids in kindy are being "tempted", something has gone fundamentally wrong with society, IMO.

 

Whatever they are told in school it can't be worse than when I was at school. My sole "sex education" in primary school was a teacher advising us to get a bed with a strong footboard.

In secondary school, I don't remember any at all. We ended our school years knowing nothing about relationships whatsoever, never mind sex.

 

Seems like many of us old-fashioned generation had next to nothing sex-education in school.

 

There were two pages about sexuality in the biology book when I attended school, and it was in what equals year-8 or 9 international, or M1 or M2 after Thai system, i.e. early secondary. Back in the early 1960s - and I am Dane, only a few years later Denmark became famous for freely both written- and pictures pornography, and sexual live shows that people from abroad, even from USA, traveled to watch - almost the whole class looked forward to how our male biology teacher would manage those two pages. When we finally reached that part of the book in second half of the school year, the teacher said: »The next two pages you can read yourself.«????

 

We young teens learned about it the hard way by clumsy experience - once a girl was very interested in me, however she must however have been inexperienced as she later told me that felt sorry for me, because my tool was "the wrong way round"... - Sexuality was not a subject being talked about, and if a young girl (by accident) got pregnant, she would often be sent away to somewhere in the countryside, so family didn't loose face, and the child was quickly adopted.

 

Only very rarely it was heard about sexual abuse - my mom had however once warned me about it when when I was around 8-10 years old - it probably might have taken place, but not being spoken about, and certainly hardly reaching the news. There were actually a number of grown up men interested in children, both boys and girls, in the otherwise bourgeois neighborhood I lived in. I've meet some of them - three times to be precise - but they never managed to abused me, and I never talked about it. Only once I heard about a case in the neighborhood, a very kind man, a caretaker in the apartment block, who us children liked. It's my impression that it's not more dangerous today, it's just more spoken about; and the cases reach both authorities and the news.

 

I often have the impression that Thailand today, or a few years ago, in many ways is like Europe - and probably many Western countries - was 50 to 70 years ago. An "amazing" mix of modern time smartphone lifestyle, and old-fashioned lifestyle, pretty much as I both remember it from my childhood in the 1950s and 1960s, and from what I've read about from that time.

 

In my opinion it's pretty much up to the parents to also educate their children - it's not only a job for the school - but I might think in a different way than some others...????

????

[khunPer]

1 hour ago, Wookie said:

When I was eight years old I asked my mother where I came from. My mother quickly left the room saying that she had to take a pan off the stove. I then asked my father. He looked embarrassed, hesitated and then told me they found me in the garden under a flower. I spent the rest of that day looking around the garden. I subsequently learned about sex by listening to older children at primary school ! Even later on when I was at Grammar school the Biology lessons only discussed how plants reproduce !

[RafPinto]

For many older people it's just fine. The more kids they have the bigger the chance that they provide for future income, basically being a "pension pot".

Even better if it's a girl. They have the duty to take care of the family and later, the family can expect that someone pays "sinsod".

[starky]

The whole problem with this thread, article, OP the whole disgusting mess is somehow confusing sex education with child abuse.  Jesus christ this joint needs to move into the modern world. Kids being tampered with has nothing in common with sex education

[scorecard]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I'd have been so mortified if my parents had tried to educate me about sex I wouldn't have heard a word.

Far better to be educated by experts, but most teachers are probably also embarrassed by teaching it to kids. Should be special teachers that travel around, and not known to the kids.

A side point, when I was about 15 my father gave me a couple of books to read, both about 15 pages.

 

I read them but much later realized they were valueless in terms of sex education and they contains factual errors:

 

- Boys should not masturbate and ejaculate because every boy/man has a fixed small amount of sperm and when it's gone there's no more, therefore cannot father children.

[trainman34014]

In the majority of Thai families sex is a Taboo subject.    We have two Thai Niece's; one 12 and the other 13 and when they are with us we talk to them about many things including sex education because the School teaches them nothing (about almost everything) and their Parents and Grandparents just won't talk about it, even if prompted by the Children !

[Will B Good]

At least they live in  predominantly Buddhist society so they are not taught by a "Christian" church that sex is a dirty, disgusting activity to be avoided at all cost.

 

That and there are few, if any, Catholic priests  

 

Edited November 8, 2021 by Will B Good

[DefaultName]

2 hours ago, Wookie said:

When I was eight years old I asked my mother where I came from. My mother quickly left the room saying that she had to take a pan off the stove. I then asked my father. He looked embarrassed, hesitated and then told me they found me in the garden under a flower. I spent the rest of that day looking around the garden. I subsequently learned about sex by listening to older children at primary school ! Even later on when I was at Grammar school the Biology lessons only discussed how plants reproduce !

I was a few years older when Dad gave me "the talk".  At the end, I knew about the biology, but still had to learn what goes where from toilet walls!

[Purdey]

Most people are aware that Thais are shy and easily embarrassed. While sex education should begin at home, it is tough for parents. Like elsewhere in the world, kids learn from their friends. That's why kids should be taught properly by teachers who are trained in the subject. 

[vandeventer]

6 hours ago, jaiyen said:

So they want to teach kids about sexual harassment, when they don't even know anything about sex !  Typical Thai education system.  The teenagers don't learn the theory, only the practical !!

I think the teachers can learn from the kids these days?

[JeffersLos]

10 hours ago, webfact said:

In Thailand, sex education is

Getting a pregnancy test, learning that you're pregnant. 

[jacko45k]

5 hours ago, Wookie said:

Grammar school the Biology lessons only discussed how plants reproduce !

That is remiss...... we had the joy of seeing our rather mousy and shy biology teacher blush like a beacon!

[fredwiggy]

3 hours ago, Will B Good said:

At least they live in  predominantly Buddhist society so they are not taught by a "Christian" church that sex is a dirty, disgusting activity to be avoided at all cost.

 

That and there are few, if any, Catholic priests  

 

Raised as a Catholic then just centered on being a Christian, nowhere have I heard or seen that sex is a dirty thing. Quite the contrary, many Catholics don't believe in birth control. In this country, where the age of consent is a ridiculous 15, where children make children with children, the population is 100 times more than it would be if the age of consent was a normal 18, and the majority of "fathers" here leave after the first year of a child's life, and 35% of the children are raised by grandparents while the mom works in a big city, rarely seeing the children and sending money home, instead of staying with the kids and working locally. The extra 150 baht they make in Bangkok or other major cities (besides the prostitutes) goes towards rent, and there is nothing gained. Sex education here will make no difference if children are allowed to have sex, 6 years before their brains are fully developed.

[BusyB]

13 hours ago, tingtong said:

Teaching in school or not....

 

Ultimately it is the job of the parents to teach about the basics, not kindergarten teachers.

 

As for some ppl might bring snacks ...

Most kids, in Thailand too, abused by family members or close family friend, or those they are the under care and said to trust, like teachers, monks.

The sad truth.

 

 

And that's why it's the job of both ...

[zzaa09]

9 hours ago, seedy said:

This is the world, don't single out LOS

 

 

Knee-jerk conditioning to be fashioned with the long held traditional view of the uncivilised and barbarous Orient and other deviant Third World [whatever that is] places - and repeated over and again. 

 

Whereas, if reality was a harbinger, one will find that these deviant and perverted activities are far more prevalent throughout the heralded civilised West. The imagined cultural superiority tends to be terribly blind to what is and what isn't.

 

[Will B Good]

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

Raised as a Catholic then just centered on being a Christian, nowhere have I heard or seen that sex is a dirty thing. Quite the contrary, many Catholics don't believe in birth control. In this country, where the age of consent is a ridiculous 15, where children make children with children, the population is 100 times more than it would be if the age of consent was a normal 18, and the majority of "fathers" here leave after the first year of a child's life, and 35% of the children are raised by grandparents while the mom works in a big city, rarely seeing the children and sending money home, instead of staying with the kids and working locally. The extra 150 baht they make in Bangkok or other major cities (besides the prostitutes) goes towards rent, and there is nothing gained. Sex education here will make no difference if children are allowed to have sex, 6 years before their brains are fully developed.

Well that told me......555

[JustAnotherHun]

Sex-education?

Learning by doing. ????

[RobU]

9 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

Really? See it for what it is! What I wrote was that teaching respect for strangers and not follow them was the parents job. Sex education can be done in school at the same time it is the parents job too. How you felt or would have felt is irrelevant.

The only thing you did with your comment, was confirming the relationship with your parents was not very good.

It is well established in UK sex education that children are more likely to 'hear' the words and advice of non family or non emotionally invested people, because they are usually less embarrassed and they have support of class mates who they can discuss it with. Your comment abut a poor relationship with parents is invalid.

[Deli]

13 hours ago, tonray said:

Waiting for the lesson on Mia Nois 

Only for kids of politicians and Generals.

[HappyGoLuckyLife]

17 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Sex education is first the parents job. Sad thing is that a lot here look at school as the primary teachers of everything.

While I agree, many parents fail at educating their children. At least they are getting the instruction somewhere. The said truth is there are predators out there going after kids even younger in third grade. Kids need to be taught (at home or elsewhere) as early as possible.

[JCauto]

22 hours ago, tingtong said:

Teaching in school or not....

 

Ultimately it is the job of the parents to teach about the basics, not kindergarten teachers.

 

As for some ppl might bring snacks ...

Most kids, in Thailand too, abused by family members or close family friend, or those they are the under care and said to trust, like teachers, monks.

The sad truth.

 

 

While you are correct in theory, in practice one tends to learn about sex from one's peers, generally in the single digit age bracket. These are not the most well-informed and experienced people to learn from. However, they're by far the most likely to broach the subject and expound upon it at that age. Parents have many delusions about their influence, it's actually less than you think.

[Gottfrid]

5 hours ago, RobU said:

It is well established in UK sex education that children are more likely to 'hear' the words and advice of non family or non emotionally invested people, because they are usually less embarrassed and they have support of class mates who they can discuss it with. Your comment abut a poor relationship with parents is invalid.

Yes, apparently invalid for UK. However, there is so much that are invalid for people in the UK, that I will not even start to deal with it.