China pressured Thai government officials to not criticize Sinovac vaccine

[Andycoops]

And the lackeys duly tugged their forlocks and complied.

[RafPinto]

ChaCha is pointing at Anutin.

It was him, he was it.

[Kinnock]

So choosing a vaccine based on back-handers rather than science is not the best strategy.  Who knew?

[BusyB]

6 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

This request was likely very easily granted. Fealty is an amazing thing. 

 

Thailand could have been way ahead of the curve had they not been so cheap with their people, and had they demonstrated some vision and went with the higher efficacy vaccines. 

 

Too much to ask? 

They effectively wasted a whole year for all the known reasons. Disgraceful.

[Isaan sailor]

So who can we sue for this misinformation—the CCP or the Thai government?

[Deli]

On 11/15/2021 at 2:51 PM, John Drake said:

What's discouraging about this news is that Western embassies apparently apply no pressure whatsoever. Sure, I don't know the inner workings or secret relationships between the Thai government and, say, the US government. But I can see when China gets results for its citizens and when the US gets/does nothing. Thailand spat in the face of the US when it turned down Tammy Duckworth's 1 million Pfizer doses. US citizens had to crawl around and beg for Covid shots, while nationals only venues were set up for people from China and France. One person even reported that the initial 1.5 million Pfizer doses were parceled out to organization such as the Singapore Chamber of Commerce, which then did a separate vaccination for its citizens. China takes care of its citizens and its businesses. That is why the signs in Thailand are increasingly in Chinese. Looks to me like the West, and especially the US, can only beg and grovel, when it should be pounding on the table.

Maybe thanks to sloppy, sleepy Joe and his Indian ?

[paul1804]

On 11/15/2021 at 2:40 PM, Snig27 said:

Maybe a free submarine to keep quiet. 

 

To be fair, the countries that are relying on it, in general seem to have a better track record with this virus than many who have gone for western jabs.

You mean less reported cases which doesnt mean they have faired better!!

[djayz]

No kidding?

[spidermike007]

13 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Thailand like all other countries thought they were ahead of the curve until the more contagious and deadly Delta variant strike and now all countries are clamouring for higher efficacy vaccines and booster shots. 

It is very like them, to think they are ahead of the curve. And to NOT plan accordingly. Had they bothered to develop an effective vaccination program, billions could have been saved, millions of jobs, and a huge number of avoidable suicides could have been prevented. Make all the excuses you want. This one falls entirely on the shoulders of Cha Cha and Anutin the destroyer. 

[jerrymahoney]

On 11/16/2021 at 11:54 PM, spidermike007 said:

Had they bothered to develop an effective vaccination program

An 'effective vaccination program' would have, I guess required, the procurement of more effective vaccines than what they eventually got. Just how?

 

(REDUX)

 

(Excerpted)

 

NEW YORK/GENEVA, OCTOBER 11, 2021—Millions of people remain at risk of dying from COVID-19 because high-income countries (HICs), including the US, continue to hoard excess vaccine doses, warns a new report released today by Doctors Without Borders/Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF).

 

Despite the desperate need for vaccines in LMIC's [low- and middle-income countries], pharmaceutical corporations continue to prioritize sales to the wealthiest countries. Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna—which received significant US funding—have, respectively, allocated 78 percent and 85 percent of their COVID-19 vaccine deliveries to HICs.

 

 

https://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/what-we-do/news-stories/news/us-must-stop-hoarding-excess-covid-19-vaccine-doses

[Eric Loh]

9 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

It is very like them, to think they are ahead of the curve. And to NOT plan accordingly. Had they bothered to develop an effective vaccination program, billions could have been saved, millions of jobs, and a huge number of avoidable suicides could have been prevented. Make all the excuses you want. This one falls entirely on the shoulders of Cha Cha and Anutin the destroyer. 

Not making any excuses for the incompetent duo. For me both are illegitimate not democratically elected leaders. I am just stating the fact and surprised for someone who post intelligent comments not to acknowledge the obvious. Well prepared countries like Israel and Singapore with early vaccination program couldn't defend against the Delta variant and saw big surges of cases and deaths. Thailand before Delta struck in early April recorded only 2 deaths and 3,489 confirmed cases. Since then, all hell broke loose. No countries even mighty USA couldnt keep pace with Delta devastation. Just how you be ahead of the curve with something so unpredictable. Will there be a much more contagious and deadly variant after Delta. No one can tell. 

[mommysboy]

If the vaccine roll out works, and it probably will, then AZ will be the single most reason for that success.  It's highly effective.

 

That being said, Sinovac is an adequate vaccine- certainly good enough for youngsters- arguably better for under 18's who don't really need a vaccine anyway.

[mommysboy]

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

Not making any excuses for the incompetent duo. For me both are illegitimate not democratically elected leaders. I am just stating the fact and surprised for someone who post intelligent comments not to acknowledge the obvious. Well prepared countries like Israel and Singapore with early vaccination program couldn't defend against the Delta variant and saw big surges of cases and deaths. Thailand before Delta struck in early April recorded only 2 deaths and 3,489 confirmed cases. Since then, all hell broke loose. No countries even mighty USA couldnt keep pace with Delta devastation. Just how you be ahead of the curve with something so unpredictable. Will there be a much more contagious and deadly variant after Delta. No one can tell. 

'Will there be a much more contagious and deadly variant after Delta. No one can tell.'

 

Likely a much less deadly and contagious one imo.

[Sydebolle]

Ask Sweetiepie Anutin about his experience with mixing Chinese vaccines and a (usually not available third vaccination) booster by Astra-Zeneca in connection with his recent missing of a WHO conference in Geneva. He was denied entry by the authorities of a „dirty farang“ country, despite his good relations to the Swiss ambassador, who has been shoulder-rubbing in a more than embarrassing manner. 

Lets face it, Thailand is a failed state and this century will be the Chinese century. The earlier the local yodlers get to understand that, the better for all. And, in hindsight, it might not even be the worst solution of Khon Thai and their inability to get things right. 

[BangkokReady]

On 11/15/2021 at 2:40 PM, Snig27 said:

To be fair, the countries that are relying on it, in general seem to have a better track record with this virus than many who have gone for western jabs.

Or countries that are forced to accept Sinovac, either due to poverty or corruption, happen to have naturally occurring conditions that make covid easier to deal with, such as cultural practices or environmental factors.

[gearbox]

On 11/15/2021 at 6:53 PM, placeholder said:

From the article:

“I mean, even on its own the merits for Sinovac are there. It was the only vaccine available to be delivered in large quantities and is shown to prevent death,” the source said. 

This is nonsense. Thailand failed to approve the Pfizer vaccine for months, even though, unlike Sinovac's vaccine, it had actually passed Phase 3 trials.

It was wrong to delay the Pfizer approval for so long, but probably early approval wouldn't do much as well. All middle and lower income countries which achieved high vaccination rates used less effective vaccines like Sinovac, Sinopharm, AstraZeneca.  Using mRNA vaccines - none, zero. Only rich countries did predominantly mRNA mass vaccinations.

[gearbox]

On 11/16/2021 at 12:49 PM, spidermike007 said:

This request was likely very easily granted. Fealty is an amazing thing. 

 

Thailand could have been way ahead of the curve had they not been so cheap with their people, and had they demonstrated some vision and went with the higher efficacy vaccines. 

 

Too much to ask? 

Hun Sen did well mostly with Chinese vaccines - one of the most vaccinated countries in the world, single digit covid deaths,  easier entry than Thailand without quarantine and the nightclubs and KTVs opening. All the things the moan brigade is moaning about.  Does this make him a visionary and a great dictator?

[spidermike007]

12 hours ago, gearbox said:

Hun Sen did well mostly with Chinese vaccines - one of the most vaccinated countries in the world, single digit covid deaths,  easier entry than Thailand without quarantine and the nightclubs and KTVs opening. All the things the moan brigade is moaning about.  Does this make him a visionary and a great dictator?

No, he is anything but a visionary. He is a competent dictator, that is for sure. It is what is known in this world as having a plan, and then implementing it with action. Something Thailand did not do, until it was too late. So, he was a visionary, but only in comparison to the ill informed, science denying goons here. 

[spidermike007]

16 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Not making any excuses for the incompetent duo. For me both are illegitimate not democratically elected leaders. I am just stating the fact and surprised for someone who post intelligent comments not to acknowledge the obvious. Well prepared countries like Israel and Singapore with early vaccination program couldn't defend against the Delta variant and saw big surges of cases and deaths. Thailand before Delta struck in early April recorded only 2 deaths and 3,489 confirmed cases. Since then, all hell broke loose. No countries even mighty USA couldnt keep pace with Delta devastation. Just how you be ahead of the curve with something so unpredictable. Will there be a much more contagious and deadly variant after Delta. No one can tell. 

Let us hope not. I think most of us are ready to see this zombie madness behind us!

 

Covid, get thee behind me! 

[Stygge]

The Chinese authorities don´t trust their own vaccine. That´s one reason they keep strict lock down for small outbreaks. Of course they don´t want this mistrust to spread abroad.
They will keep zero tolerance because this was successful in the beginning and was paraded as the chinese way, superior to the West. They can´t abandon that, it would be a face loss. Even Australia has accepted mitigation and concentrate on keeping death tolls down. That´s possible because of a high vaccination rate and a more effective western vaccine.

The Chinese will continue with zero tolerance policy. This will fail so no Chinese will travel abroad for a long time. No new passports are issued. The lower classes of Chinese are ok with this, only middle and upper classes whine about not being able to travel to their foreign investments.

Bleak views for Thai mass tourism with flagged groups in the forseeable future.

[jacko45k]

China, on the one hand wagging its finger at the larger Western Countries complaining of interference in it's internal affairs, while cracking a birch at the nearby neighbours!