15 hours ago, jackdd said:

Vaccinated people are less likely to spread the virus. Thus unvaccinated people pose a higher risk to society.

Correct, we don't inject people against their will. But what we as society do, is putting people who we think pose a high risk to harm other people in our society into a forensic psychiatric hospital or similar institution.

I find these comments hilarious. A lot of you come to retire or live in Thailand complaining about the nanny state back home as one reason for wanting to live here in Thailand but just looking at most of these comments regarding this type of stuff I can see how the nanny state came to be. It's like all of the pinheads in the U.S. complaining about things THAT THEY VOTE FOR!!!!! 

 

Maybe the comment I quoted was in jest but this is the type of thinking that got us the Nazis and if you think not, you need to watch, "The Third Wave", it shows how this happens.

13 hours ago, Geoffggi said:

This was not the discussion, it was if vaccinated people can carry and pass on the virus which there is no doubt they can

But the point is moot .

A vaccinated person is far less likely to suffer serious consequencies.

In the UK 90% of recent covid hospitalisations were unvaccinated people.

Vaccinations ease pressure on health services and save lives !

2 minutes ago, runamok27 said:

I find these comments hilarious. A lot of you come to retire or live in Thailand complaining about the nanny state back home as one reason for wanting to live here in Thailand but just looking at most of these comments regarding this type of stuff I can see how the nanny state came to be. It's like all of the pinheads in the U.S. complaining about things THAT THEY VOTE FOR!!!!! 

 

Maybe the comment I quoted was in jest but this is the type of thinking that got us the Nazis and if you think not, you need to watch, "The Third Wave", it shows how this happens.

Fine 

If you think your percieved freedom is more important than the collective health of your fellow citizens then great , dont get vaccinated.

Just dont complain when some real freedom's , travel , eating out , shopping , even entering a bar , are curtailed.

Have a nice day !

12 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Again blame in this thread seems to be pointed at the unvaccinated but the greatest % of these will be due to lack of access not personal choice.

In Europe the idea is to encourage anti vaxers to repent , hopefully Thailand doesn't blunder in too soon and punish the innocent.

He means to say they can't go to Sitzerland ?

From December 8th , the government of Singapore has announced that citizens who are un-vaccinated by choice will not be covered by national health insurance and will be obliged to pay for any covid-related hospital and health expenses.

This sounds like a good solution for those who value free choice over the stressed health system....

 

13 hours ago, redwood1 said:

So what's the point of this article....

 

I would say the point is to prime the pumps and getting people use to living in a possible medical apartheid state......

 

And every person who meekly bows down and shows their vax status to do something is going to be helping to make it worse and worse for everyone...

Yes im sure you will be the first to the barricades , good luck with that.

14 hours ago, redwood1 said:

 

 

And every person who meekly bows down and shows their vax status to do something is going to be helping to make it worse and worse for everyone...

Yes they are aiding and abetting 

So we went a long way from 2 weeks to slow the spread. That was what 613 days ago?  Just slow the spread to protect the health care system. No it’s going to you can’t work if you don’t take a jab. All of you POS’s that are defending this thought are exactly that. Look up the actual death rates. A 20 year old has no need for this jab unless they are obese or have other co-morbidities . A person that has had the virus and recovered has no need for this jab. A person that has had the jab can still catch it, spread it and die from it. “But what about the viral load”. F off!!!  So you want to spew all of this <deleted> about protecting society by destroying someone’s life because they make a decision on their own health can go f themselves. You are all worms that hide behind the boot of the state. So give me a strike for hurting someone’s feelings. All of you Karen’s will get the same treatment soon for not having your 6th booster or something else that violates the new normals social credit system. How about if you are fat you can’t do certain things in society. I’m sure that will exclude about 3/4 of you. 

3 hours ago, joecoolfrog said:

Fine 

If you think your percieved freedom is more important than the collective health of your fellow citizens then great , dont get vaccinated.

Just dont complain when some real freedom's , travel , eating out , shopping , even entering a bar , are curtailed.

Have a nice day !

Collective health doesn’t exist. You are an idiot. Health is individual. My health has no impact on your health at all. Have a nice day. Enjoy the gulag when these dictators find something to use against you next. 

2 hours ago, bangon04 said:

From December 8th , the government of Singapore has announced that citizens who are un-vaccinated by choice will not be covered by national health insurance and will be obliged to pay for any covid-related hospital and health expenses.

This sounds like a good solution for those who value free choice over the stressed health system....

 

Do they also get the free choice to stop paying taxes into the national health care system? If so then it sounds fair. I’m also sure you are one of those people that say health care is a basic human right while trying to deny this “basic human right” because they make a personal decision about their health. 

7 hours ago, LetsGoJoe said:

My wife (unvaxed) is in the hospital, as of today, due to being infected by her vaccinated sister. The sister and her vaccinated tribe (6) have since passed from the hospital into a field hospital. Life is full of contradiction.

Has all that vaxxing helped? It apparently did nothing to prevent transmission of the disease. The vaxxed are spreading it as effectively as the unvaxxed, and the vaxxed were catching the disease as easily, too, though supposedly suffering not as badly as the unvaxxed.

So,who and what are the "higher risks" in this scenario?  You haven't been paying attention... due to the limitations of a "vaccine" ....WE are ALL at Risk!

 

It's known globaly that vaccination does not stop you from catching SarS-CoV-2 and spreading it. What it does do is dramatically reduce the chances of serious illness and death.

5 hours ago, Mike k said:

I renewed my retirement visa last week I included a copy of my vaccination even though they didn't ask for it but they took it 

Why? Did it make you feel superior or give you a warm sense of satisfaction as you handed over the unrequested document? The idiots that control the system don't need encouragement.

I am not against vaccine, but the chance to get a vaccine of my choice without jumping through hoops or bowing and scraping for special treatment would be a nice before some genius comes up with the idea of making a visa renewal dependent on a certificate.

21 hours ago, webfact said:

He said that not being vaccinated was a person's basic human right

Living in a democracy too

22 hours ago, Thailand said:

Coming soon to an immigration office near you.

Yes. And it should

Extract from Anutins speech 

He continued to advise practical measures like social distancing while completely understanding people's reticence at being around the unvaccinated .

 

I went to my local gov; hospital yesterday for my booster jab but was refused cos I was 2 weeks early i.e. 5 months 2 weeks since my last jab and not the 6 months .UK state at least 5 months since last jab as do some other countries . OK my fault , I will return 1st December , I said ,  but I was then told , they are not getting another delivery till the last week in December and will have run out of this current supply by the 1st December .Give it to me now I said , they said sorry you must wait for the 6 months . I gave up and left . 

I then had to go to the general outpatients for change of medicine .We'll , talk about the lack of social distancing , packed in like sardines with 1 patient accompanied by at least 2 relatives . The hall was hot and humid with ceiling fans circulating the moist static air . This was the perfect storm for covid infection . I did not stay .  Talk about double standards .  Absolutely zero control on this outpatients hall .

20 hours ago, Enzian said:

There is a whole school of social engineering thinking that promotes the idea of "nudging" people in the desired direction. I can think of many objections to it, and to its strongest supporters, but I have to agree it has its place. And the place for it seems to have come.

It offends my libertarian instincts to see people forced into decisions regarding their own body.

But extraordinary circumstances demand extraordinary measures.

That time has come in my  view.

The over-arching fact that unvaccinated folks are essentially making decisions about what THEY put in OTHER people's body, that is: mutated viruses that they have incubated and can spread.

 

The unvaccinated are the ones who will keep this plague going for the foreseeable future. Because of them I've accepted the fact that I'll be getting boosters every six months for years. I resent that, as any sane person would.

As a point of reference, I haven't gotten a flu vaccine in over 30 years but this time is different.

 

This will be the last post I make on this topic. The facts are clear and there's really no room for further debate in my opinion.

You are either part of the solution or part of the problem.

It seems that the Thai media don't know who the guy posing as the DPM really is, is Anutin the DPM or is it the other guy with the long funny name? If they are not sure, it must mean that both of the Chuckle Brothers are not sure themselves. They are supposed to be running the country are they not? How can they run the country if they cannot even run themselves.

So just out of curiosity I will ask, just who is the DPM? It cannot be both of them unless they are taking turns about.

8 minutes ago, possum1931 said:

It seems that the Thai media don't know who the guy posing as the DPM really is, is Anutin the DPM or is it the other guy with the long funny name? If they are not sure, it must mean that both of the Chuckle Brothers are not sure themselves. They are supposed to be running the country are they not? How can they run the country if they cannot even run themselves.

So just out of curiosity I will ask, just who is the DPM? It cannot be both of them unless they are taking turns about.

Thailand has 6 deputy prime ministers.

1 minute ago, jackdd said:

Thailand has 6 deputy prime ministers.

I would not be surprised, the Thai government is full of Generals, so why not DPMs? 

The whole lot of them are just one big laughing stock. ???? ????

15 hours ago, Chris.B said:

Very sad, I am sorry for her.

Thanks. Happened a couple of months ago when I was in the UK. My wife tells me she has never gone back to work and never leaves the house. A great deal of concern over her mental well being.

14 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Couldn't she still have passed on the virus if vaccinated?

She should regret not motivating her high-risk father to get it. 

We know the outcome of one scenario.

Neither you or any other anti vaxer would have any idea regarding an alternative scenario and little will detract from the reality she believes she killed her father.

36 minutes ago, RocketDog said:

It offends my libertarian instincts to see people forced into decisions regarding their own body.

But extraordinary circumstances demand extraordinary measures.

That time has come in my  view.

The over-arching fact that unvaccinated folks are essentially making decisions about what THEY put in OTHER people's body, that is: mutated viruses that they have incubated and can spread.

 

The unvaccinated are the ones who will keep this plague going for the foreseeable future. Because of them I've accepted the fact that I'll be getting boosters every six months for years. I resent that, as any sane person would.

As a point of reference, I haven't gotten a flu vaccine in over 30 years but this time is different.

 

This will be the last post I make on this topic. The facts are clear and there's really no room for further debate in my opinion.

You are either part of the solution or part of the problem.

Ooh, very dramatic.. With a 99.6% survival rate, Covid is hardly a "plague" is it.? It's another corona virus variant, added to the common cold, influenza (remember that?), and others that we have survived and become immune (naturally) to.

But you think your liberties are going to be curtailed by the "unvaccinated" and these same people will be forcing booster jabs on you? Righto..

 

My personal opinion is that these antivaxers are just a bunch of selfish people, without a thought for their family members, kids, frontline staff and hospitals, who will have to accommodate them, tying up beds and equipment from others who may need them, from unrelated diseases and putting more financial burden on the healthcare system resources.  I can not believe i'm agreeing with A-Nut-In government although i think it was a spin doctor who told him what to say, he is right.

 

13 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Wow. 18 months of evidence and you're an anti masker. If they stop nothing I have a question for you. Why do surgeons, nurses etc in operating theatres wear them?

Wait for it, we will get the tiny virus and large mesh reasoning soon..... the virus will pass through masks unimpeded like a butterfly through a chicken wire fence... always good for a giggle. 

30 minutes ago, brianthainess said:

My personal opinion is that these antivaxers are just a bunch of selfish people, without a thought for their family members, kids, frontline staff and hospitals, who will have to accommodate them, tying up beds and equipment from others who may need them, from unrelated diseases and putting more financial burden on the healthcare system resources.  I can not believe i'm agreeing with A-Nut-In government although i think it was a spin doctor who told him what to say, he is right.

 

Just changing a word here to make a point - thoughts? 

 

My personal opinion is that these obese people are just a bunch of selfish people, without a thought for their family members, kids, frontline staff and hospitals, who will have to accommodate them, tying up beds and equipment from others who may need them, from unrelated diseases and putting more financial burden on the healthcare system resources.  I can not believe i'm agreeing with A-Nut-In government although i think it was a spin doctor who told him what to say, he is right.

32 minutes ago, brianthainess said:

My personal opinion is that these antivaxers are just a bunch of selfish people, without a thought for their family members, kids, frontline staff and hospitals, who will have to accommodate them, tying up beds and equipment from others who may need them, from unrelated diseases and putting more financial burden on the healthcare system resources.  I can not believe i'm agreeing with A-Nut-In government although i think it was a spin doctor who told him what to say, he is right.

 

You should read up on the vaccine , if you are double vaccinated you can still spread the covid virus , you can still get covid and you can still die from covid so double vaccinated must be selfish then in your view.

4 minutes ago, James105 said:

Just changing a word here to make a point - thoughts? 

 

My personal opinion is that these obese people are just a bunch of selfish people, without a thought for their family members, kids, frontline staff and hospitals, who will have to accommodate them, tying up beds and equipment from others who may need them, from unrelated diseases and putting more financial burden on the healthcare system resources.  I can not believe i'm agreeing with A-Nut-In government although i think it was a spin doctor who told him what to say, he is right.

Often thought of opening up something akin to a WeightWatchers club.........had the notion to call it "Fat Losers"

A misleading also unattributed post has been removed

1 minute ago, James105 said:

Just changing a word here to make a point - thoughts? 

 

My personal opinion is that these obese people are just a bunch of selfish people, without a thought for their family members, kids, frontline staff and hospitals, who will have to accommodate them, tying up beds and equipment from others who may need them, from unrelated diseases and putting more financial burden on the healthcare system resources.  I can not believe i'm agreeing with A-Nut-In government although i think it was a spin doctor who told him what to say, he is right.

 So what is the point you are trying to make? Please do not change my words it is not just obese people refusing to be vaccinated, I know of obese people who have been vaxed.