Anutin speaks out on the unvaccinated possibly facing restrictions

[SymS]

4 hours ago, webfact said:

He said that not being vaccinated was a person's basic human right. You can't force anyone to be vaccinated. 

I'm expecting him to change in mind like the rest of the politicians in due time.

[Thaifly88]

3 hours ago, edwinchester said:

Vaccinated people are less likely to be infected by covid so if you do get infected by somebody it is much more likely from somebody who is unvaccinated.

 

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/vaccinated-people-can-transmit-the-coronavirus-but-its-still-more-likely-if-youre-unvaccinated#Vaccines-protect-against-Delta-infection

 

2 hours ago, Geoffggi said:

I would re-read my original post before making any further comments, I will make it easy for you here it is: Personally speaking I am double vaccinated, but am also of the opinion that the first part of the above is correct meaning you should not be forced into being vaccinated it is a personal choice, & vaccinated people can carry the virus just the same as unvaccinated people. 

vaccinated people can carry the virus just the same as unvaccinated people - totally incorrect as many other have already pointed out and I will reiterate. Vaccinated people can carry the virus, but are far less likely to contract it in the first place. This is really not difficult stuff, it's about protecting yourself and your fellow citizens - get jabbed ! 

[SymS]

I'm actually impressed by his statements, as those are all reasonable points. And no, I'm not being sarcastic today...

[vandeventer]

3 hours ago, Geoffggi said:

From the article you posted : Although fully vaccinated people were less likely to contract an infection, when they did — what’s known as a breakthrough infection — they can transmit the Delta variant at a similar level as unvaccinated people.

If they want more people to get Vaxxed why don't they make it easier for people to get the jab? Their are a lot of older people where I live who want to get the jab but they can't wait 6 to 8 hours in line to get it. Also as Thai people are not stupid they want good vaccines that will work, sent to the hospital in their area. 

[robblok]

20 minutes ago, pikao said:

Yeah....I know, it's very confusing

 

P.S. Poor governments. They now have to convince the unvaxed to take the jab, because it works and convince the double vaxed to get their boosters because the first two shots didn't     

Right mate, i made a smalle error but it was clear what was meant.

 

There is so much proof it works its just idiots that think it does not. Then those idiots still want the same freedoms and by doing so bring back lockdowns and restrictions. 

 

The only confusing thing for me is that people don't trust science. That people don't trust research that shows that vaccinated people spread it less, that research shows what people end up less in the hospital after being vaccinated. 

 

Its so confusing that all this information is out there from reputable scientists and yet the antivaxers go to fringe sites with researchers that are not recognized and research that is not up to standard. Its really confusing why people look for outliers for advice instead of real science or even worse people think they know it better then the people who studied for this kind of thing.

 

Then people like you come with stupid remarks about booster shots showing that vaccination does not work. 

 

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[welshissan]

4 hours ago, Gandtee said:

Another shot?? That will be four!! Some poor buggers are still waiting for one! Privileged? Just a tad maybe.????

Yes mi in-laws in Mahasarakam province are still waiting for their first injection, as are most of the villagers !!

 

[robblok]

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2294250-how-much-less-likely-are-you-to-spread-covid-19-if-youre-vaccinated/

 

A recent study found that vaccinated people infected with the delta variant are 63 per cent less likely to infect people who are unvaccinated.

 

This is only slightly lower than with the alpha variant, says Brechje de Gier at the National Institute for Public Health and the Environment in the Netherlands, who led the study. Her team had previously found that vaccinated people infected with alpha were 73 per cent less likely to infect unvaccinated people.

What is important to realise, de Gier says, is that the full effect of vaccines on reducing transmission is even higher than 63 per cent, because most vaccinated people don’t become infected in the first place.

De Gier and her team used data from the Netherlands’ contact tracing system to work out the so-called secondary attack rate – the proportion of contacts infected by positive cases. They then worked out how much this was reduced by vaccination, adjusting for factors such as age.

Edited November 19, 2021 by onthedarkside
quote of deleted misinfo post removed

[dave moir]

5 hours ago, Thailand said:

Coming soon to an immigration office near you.

Stop giving them ideas!????

[EricTh]

Anutin could just have a virtual meeting like Biden and Xi. 

 

WHO was the one who approved Sinovac, so there's absolutely no reason why Switzerland should reject people injected with Sinovac. Even USA and Australia accept these vaccines now. It's all political.

 

Why does he need to go to Switzerland if not for a holiday?

[dave moir]

20 minutes ago, robblok said:

Right mate, i made a smalle error but it was clear what was meant.

 

There is so much proof it works its just idiots that think it does not. Then those idiots still want the same freedoms and by doing so bring back lockdowns and restrictions. 

 

The only confusing thing for me is that people don't trust science. That people don't trust research that shows that vaccinated people spread it less, that research shows what people end up less in the hospital after being vaccinated. 

 

Its so confusing that all this information is out there from reputable scientists and yet the antivaxers go to fringe sites with researchers that are not recognized and research that is not up to standard. Its really confusing why people look for outliers for advice instead of real science or even worse people think they know it better then the people who studied for this kind of thing.

 

Then people like you come with stupid remarks about booster shots showing that vaccination does not work. 

 

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 If people don't wish to receive the vaccine that is there prerogative! If the vaccine is so good and so effective as you believe it to be, what is your problem!

Live and let live!

If you think the vaccine is about saving you and the planet good on you!????

Edited November 19, 2021 by onthedarkside
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[Benmart]

The science concerning what has and is going on seems to not support or contradict much of this. What is the fatality rate of "Covid  deaths", who determines it, where is the transparency and more. Those in governments around the world are generally in the business to amass power and wealth. The unelected forms are the worse.

[robblok]

8 minutes ago, dave moir said:

If people don't wish to receive the vaccine that is there prerogative! If the vaccine is so good and so effective as you believe it to be, what is your problem!

Live and let live!

If you think the vaccine is about saving you and the planet good on you!????

Yes its your right and if governments decide to go for segregation its their right too. As long as you accept that then we are both on the same page. Though i still find it a selfish attitude (not so much in Thailand but in my country where hospitals have to postpone operations nurses and dr are overworked because of the antivaxers in the ICU beds).

 

As long as this is not happening in Thailand i don't have much a problem with your views.

[chilli42]

5 hours ago, sandyf said:

When I joined the RAF in 1964 there was no choice. In the space of a few weeks we had every vaccine on the go, even if you already had them. If it goes with the job so be it.

The eradication of many diseases in the west have made people complacent and time to wake up to reality.

How vocal would the anti vaxers have been during the Ebola epidemic?

History has proven that vaccines are effective in combating disease, you cannot pick and choose when you will contribute to the protection of others.

I do agree with you.  I certainly was vaccinated in school more than I can remember.  Nobody asked me or my parents.  We lined up for the vaccine and that was it.  The outcome was that tremendous strides were made in public health ... no more polio, no more diphtheria, etc.  These were real vaccines that worked to prevent the spread of disease and stopped them cold.  I am not convinced that the analogy works so well with Covid 19 vaccines.  The best one can hope for a reduction in symptoms and a reduced likelihood of death.  I am double vaxed.  I did this to allow me to travel.  I am not convinced that isolating a group of people who choose against a vaccine, that does not really work, is sensible (if it did work then I would be on board).  Also, there is never any mention of the untold millions that have been infected with Covid and recovered (or were asymptomatic). 

 

Anyway, the die is cast for now and this is the direction every country will take.  Lets see how we all feel about this when we are asked to get booster vax #4 and #5 and that being "properly vaxed" is a condition of our visa extensions.

Edited November 19, 2021 by onthedarkside
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[jvs]

36 minutes ago, Thaifly88 said:

This is really not difficult stuff, it's about protecting yourself and your fellow citizens - get jabbed ! 

Yes of course!If you don't love yourself do it for other people  you love.

[John Drake]

4 hours ago, robblok said:

Personally i feel that being vaccinated and by doing so spreading the virus LESS, and putting up to 8 times less stress on the health system should be rewarded by having more freedoms. 

Freedom is a right, not a reward. If it's a reward, then it's not freedom.

[hotchilli]

5 hours ago, Thailand said:

Coming soon to an immigration office near you.

Don't even go there and sow the seed.

[onthedarkside]

A series of COVID vaccine misinformation posts have been removed with most of those posts, as usual, providing no credible / reputable sources to support their claims.

 

Let me attempt to summarize (hopefully acccurately) the upshot of many of the credible reports and studies that others have posted and linked to earlier in this thread:

 

Yes, the vaccinated can still contract COVID and spread the virus (so-called breakthrough cases, especially with the Delta variant), the latest research shows. But the same research also shows the vaccinated are much less likely to contract the virus than the unvaccinated, meaning they're also as a group less likely to spread the virus than the unvaccinated.

 

And among those who do contract the virus, the vaccinated are far less likely to experience serious illness or death from COVID vs. the unvaccinated -- not only protecting themselves, but also the public health systems.

 

[Fairynuff]

There are consequences to to all the choices we make in our lives. If you choose to follow the anti vax youtubers then that’s up to you, but face the consequences. The facts show the reality of the benefits to you AND those around you. 

[Fairynuff]

3 minutes ago, John Drake said:

Freedom is a right, not a reward. If it's a reward, then it's not freedom.

I’m more than happy to temporarily give up some freedoms to protect myself and others. But then I don’t consider myself to be selfish.

[ignis]

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meaning you should not be forced into being vaccinated it is a personal choice

for some of us it is not ......... maybe die if you do or maybe die if you don't, that's the personal choice

[Golden Triangle]

27 minutes ago, dave moir said:

Stop giving them ideas!????

They've already got the idea, just need time to implement it, everyone knew it was coming, just a question of when. ????????????

[Fairynuff]

22 minutes ago, Benmart said:

The science concerning what has and is going on seems to not support or contradict much of this. What is the fatality rate of "Covid  deaths", who determines it, where is the transparency and more. Those in governments around the world are generally in the business to amass power and wealth. The unelected forms are the worse.

Yeah Bill Gates wants to control you right?

[Rimmer]

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[davidmann]

5 hours ago, Geoffggi said:

Personally speaking I am double vaccinated, but am also of the opinion that the first part of the above is correct meaning you should not be forced into being vaccinated it is a personal choice, & vaccinated people can carry the virus just the same as unvaccinated people. 

 

I agree that business people should have the right to serve who they want and not be pressured into doing so by any government decree 

its happening everywhere. now. ,Austria   , Germany. ,  France no Vac pass no go. ,, new world order. ,have to get used to it. ,not just problem in Thailand. ,everywhere.  , who to blame.  ,China. 

[Millcx]

5 hours ago, Geoffggi said:

Personally speaking I am double vaccinated, but am also of the opinion that the first part of the above is correct meaning you should not be forced into being vaccinated it is a personal choice, & vaccinated people can carry the virus just the same as unvaccinated people. 

 

I agree that business people should have the right to serve who they want and not be pressured into doing so by any government decree 

In treble vaccinated but what does that illiterate know apart from failing to supply proper amounts and effective vaccines… This is true Orwellian and he should give money back from the amount of brown envelope money he skimmed to the people who are scraping to feed themselves in Thailand …. total corrupt muppets

[Neeranam]

Despite what a few overly sensitive foreign gutter newspapers say, he's done a great job as health minister, second only to the ScotsThai one, Mr.Condom.

 

[Neeranam]

Rather selfish of those who don't vaccinate.

 

 

[Snig27]

You have to laugh at anyone from this cabal of scoundrels talking about ‘human rights’. 

[Neeranam]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

The 11 million in Thailand who have not even had the first shot yet due to not enough vaccines in rural areas may have something different to say about that.

Anyone who is not vaccinated is so by choice, not lack of vaccines.

[tandor]

...good on you Khun Anutin...the most positive idea you have suggested since you've held your portfolio.