Thai waiters/waitresses spreading Covid19.....

[SunsetT]

It has just occurred to me (im a bit slow) that the Thai cultural norm of having waiters and waitresses flitting from restaurant/bar table to table filling and topping up customers' glasses must potentially spread the virus between tables and customers. Im surprised that it has not been banned.

[georgegeorgia]

I always find those sauce bottles dirty and disgusting to touch along with salt n pepper shakers etc,after touching you put your hand up to your face etc

As for waters giving you covid by filling up your glass ,less likely if they are vaccinated and you and them are wearing masks ,you sound a bit paranoid ,maybe stop going and you will zero chance if you dont go to restaurants.

 

you remind me of the guy in the gym yesterday,came over near me to use a machine and complained i had no mask on,<deleted> stop coming to the gym i told him if ya that paranoid

Edited December 11, 2021 by georgegeorgia

[Liverpool Lou]

6 minutes ago, georgegeorgia said:

As for waters giving you covid by filling up your glass ,less likely if they are vaccinated

How come?  Vaccinations don't stop you from passing on the virus to others!

Edited December 11, 2021 by Liverpool Lou

[2long]

For me the biggest risk is the Lineman gang.

They congregate chatting eating and playing stuff, mostly with no masks... then they handle goods and visit dozens of strangers every day.

Dodgy, if you ask me.

[SunsetT]

Not paranoid. Just an observation. I rarely eat or drink where there is such service anyway, and when I do, not liking a waiter or waitress hovering over me, I usually make it clear I will pour my beer myself.

 

Despite the potential risk from this, the low virus numbers in Thailand do bare out the fact that transmission is mainly airborne.

[SunsetT]

4 minutes ago, 2long said:

For me the biggest risk is the Lineman gang.

They congregate chatting eating and playing stuff, mostly with no masks... then they handle goods and visit dozens of strangers every day.

Dodgy, if you ask me.

Lineman gang?

[georgegeorgia]

1 hour ago, SunsetT said:

Lineman gang?

the Wichita linesmen ????

[Pravda]

Sometimes I'm scared I'll catch covid if I quote the post 

[HashBrownHarry]

Sounds like a few people here should just wrap themselves in cotton wool.

[2long]

17 hours ago, SunsetT said:

Lineman gang?

The Grab/Lineman/FoodPanda guys and gals who hang around waiting for orders.

[mtls2005]

18 hours ago, SunsetT said:

It has just occurred to me (im a bit slow) that the Thai cultural norm of having waiters and waitresses flitting from restaurant/bar table to table filling and topping up customers' glasses must potentially spread the virus between tables and customers. Im surprised that it has not been banned.

 

Well, they've been rigorously licensed by the local authorities, and SHA/SHA+ approved, checking temperatures, staff fully masked, vaxxed and tested weekly. Staff washing their hands.

 

OK, stop laughing.

 

It's part "Security theatre" and part "lipstick for the pig".

 

 

In related news, food poisoning is down 63%.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

18 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

How come?  Vaccinations don't stop you from passing on the virus to others!

But they do reduce the probability of both catching and spreading the virus.

 

 

[TheCowboy]

19 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

you remind me of the guy in the gym yesterday,came over near me to use a machine and complained i had no mask on,<deleted> stop coming to the gym i told him if ya that paranoid

Great, thank you for not joining my gym.   

 

My experience has been 100% that the occasional unmasked person at my gym will mask up if asked politely, while also pointing out that a) it's a posted requirement of this and all other fitness centers in Thailand, and b) at my age there's no up-side to losing that extra margin of safety.  Full staff support too, I'd add -- they did not enjoy being out of work for the months that gyms were closed down here.  

[SunsetT]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

But they do reduce the probability of both catching and spreading the virus.

 

 

It would not stop simple transmission from customer's hand to glass, from glass to waiter's hand, from waiter's hand to another customer's glass, from this customer's glass to their hand, and so on. Not to mention a good ole Thai nose pick or  a customer's sneeze in a Thai food sharing hand somewhere along the way....555.

[richard_smith237]

According to the CDC there is a 1 in 10,000 risk of fomite transmission... 

 

i.e. the risk of a waiter transmitting contaminant from their respiratory system, onto their hands, then onto a glass, then pass that glass to a table, then someone pick up that glass, passes contaminant to their hands, then from their hands to their mouth is, according to the CDC incredibly low....

 

I’m not sure I buy that information and suspect transmission from surfaces to be more common, however, the CDC are the experts at this.

 

The risk of ‘aerosol’ transmission is the primary risk factor - hence the requirement for mask wearing. 

 

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/science-and-research/surface-transmission.html

 

 

[chilly07]

Fortunately Grab drivers keep their helmets on when delivering and always wear masks. One even sprayed my hands with his alcohol sanitizer. We spray all cash coming into the house and the delivery bags plus the food always goes into the microwave.

[SunsetT]

9 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

According to the CDC there is a 1 in 10,000 risk of fomite transmission... 

 

i.e. the risk of a waiter transmitting contaminant from their respiratory system, onto their hands, then onto a glass, then pass that glass to a table, then someone pick up that glass, passes contaminant to their hands, then from their hands to their mouth is, according to the CDC incredibly low....

 

I’m not sure I buy that information and suspect transmission from surfaces to be more common, however, the CDC are the experts at this.

 

The risk of ‘aerosol’ transmission is the primary risk factor - hence the requirement for mask wearing. 

 

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/science-and-research/surface-transmission.html

 

 

Thanks.....Good to see some evidence.

[Caldera]

I think the best part is that they're nowadays often wearing gloves, as if that would make things even a tiny little bit safer.

[richard_smith237]

5 minutes ago, Caldera said:

I think the best part is that they're nowadays often wearing gloves, as if that would make things even a tiny little bit safer.

Which would be safer if the gloves were changed frequently, but the same set of gloves are worn all day.

 

A far better option is frequent hand washing.

 

 

 

[Liverpool Lou]

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

22 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

How come?  Vaccinations don't stop you from passing on the virus to others!

But they do reduce the probability of both catching and spreading the virus.

Vaccinations do not prevent anyone from passing on the virus to others!  The probabilty of a symptomatic or non-symptomatic infected person infecting others is not reduced by virtue of being vaccinated.

[curtklay]

I cook and eat at home since this all started. Seems to me, restaurants, food stalls etc would be high risk. How do I know the cook didn't sneeze in the curry before serving or sending it off with Food Panda?

Edited December 12, 2021 by curtklay

[AgMech Cowboy]

OH Goodness... I think I'll just quit living. Safer that way. ????????????

[richard_smith237]

21 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

22 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

How come?  Vaccinations don't stop you from passing on the virus to others!

But they do reduce the probability of both catching and spreading the virus.

Vaccinations do not prevent anyone from passing on the virus to others!  The probabilty of a symptomatic or non-symptomatic infected person infecting others is not reduced by virtue of being vaccinated.

They do in aggregate. 

 

If you have 1 million vaccinated people in a community and introduce SARS-CoV-2 to that community there will a reduced chance of people contracting the virus, those who do (break over cases) if they have symptoms the symptoms will be reduced symptoms and they will be contagious for a shorter period of time. 

 

If you have 1 million unvaccinated people in a community and introduce SARS-CoV-2 to that comment there will be a higher chance of community transmission, those who contract Covid-19 present with more severe symptoms and they are contagious for a longer period of time. 

 

 

While it is accurate that those vaccinated can still contract Covid-19, carry and transmit the SARS-CoV-2 virus to others they do not do so to the same degree as unvaccinated people. Vaccinations have been proven to be effective on a community level.

[digbeth]

Some restaurant that used to have free water from a jug now charges for bottled water now

[rwill]

23 hours ago, SunsetT said:

It has just occurred to me (im a bit slow) that the Thai cultural norm of having waiters and waitresses flitting from restaurant/bar table to table filling and topping up customers' glasses must potentially spread the virus between tables and customers. Im surprised that it has not been banned.

Is that any different from restaurants in other countries?

 

Anyway we are all going to be exposed to Covid at some point.  Best to not worry about it too much.  Getting vaccinated is the best thing you can do.

[SunsetT]

29 minutes ago, curtklay said:

I cook and eat at home since this all started. Seems to me, restaurants, food stalls etc would be high risk. How do I know the cook didn't sneeze in the curry before serving or sending it off with Food Panda?

Add in the road death toll and living here really is a gamble. No need to open a casino...555

[rwill]

2 hours ago, SunsetT said:

It would not stop simple transmission from customer's hand to glass, from glass to waiter's hand, from waiter's hand to another customer's glass, from this customer's glass to their hand, and so on. Not to mention a good ole Thai nose pick or  a customer's sneeze in a Thai food sharing hand somewhere along the way....555.

Everyone picks their nose.  Thai's are just more open about it.

[SunsetT]

13 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

They do in aggregate. 

 

If you have 1 million vaccinated people in a community and introduce SARS-CoV-2 to that community there will a reduced chance of people contracting the virus, those who do (break over cases) if they have symptoms the symptoms will be reduced symptoms and they will be contagious for a shorter period of time. 

 

If you have 1 million unvaccinated people in a community and introduce SARS-CoV-2 to that comment there will be a higher chance of community transmission, those who contract Covid-19 present with more severe symptoms and they are contagious for a longer period of time. 

 

 

While it is accurate that those vaccinated can still contract Covid-19, carry and transmit the SARS-CoV-2 virus to others they do not do so to the same degree as unvaccinated people. Vaccinations have been proven to be effective on a community level.

Totally irrelevant! If a waiter is vaccinated or not he can still transmit the virus by hand from the contaminated glass of an infected customer to the glass of another customer.

[TropicalGuy]

Being fully vaxxed, plant-based diet, healthy, rarely socializing I have made my maximum Covid effort for self-preservation. Couldn’t care less if others chose a different path. Unvaxxed ? Stay Home. Gym, Pool, Beach, Cinema, Bar, Rest., Car / Bike, Nightlife; screw wearing masks. Let others take care of themselves or suffer consequences. Normal life Rules in fact. Cloth Masks actually offer near zero protection for anyone. Political Muzzling Virtue Gesture for Sheep.

[richard_smith237]

1 minute ago, SunsetT said:

20 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

They do in aggregate. 

 

If you have 1 million vaccinated people in a community and introduce SARS-CoV-2 to that community there will a reduced chance of people contracting the virus, those who do (break over cases) if they have symptoms the symptoms will be reduced symptoms and they will be contagious for a shorter period of time. 

 

If you have 1 million unvaccinated people in a community and introduce SARS-CoV-2 to that comment there will be a higher chance of community transmission, those who contract Covid-19 present with more severe symptoms and they are contagious for a longer period of time. 

 

 

While it is accurate that those vaccinated can still contract Covid-19, carry and transmit the SARS-CoV-2 virus to others they do not do so to the same degree as unvaccinated people. Vaccinations have been proven to be effective on a community level.

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Totally irrelevant! If a waiter is vaccinated or not he can still transmit the virus by hand from the contaminated glass of an infected customer to the glass of another customer.

From the point of fomite transmission alone I would agree.... however, that risk was investigated by the CDC and found to be a 1 in 10,000 risk - thus to simplify... ’the contaminated glass’  example doesn’t happen - far greater is the risk of ‘aerosol transmission' from a waiter or another customer who is unwittingly carrying the virus. 

 

This would be where my comment becomes highly relevant from the point of view in response the comment linked below which alludes to vaccines being useless from the perspective of virus transmission which is of course completely untrue.

 

46 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Vaccinations do not prevent anyone from passing on the virus to others!  The probabilty of a symptomatic or non-symptomatic infected person infecting others is not reduced by virtue of being vaccinated.