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22 minutes ago, mickyr55 said:

My Thai partner queued for 90 minutes at Pattaya Festival yesterday for her booster only to be told that she was 3 days early in the 3 months time between shots, told her to come back Thursday.

How stupid is that ???????? 

Yes pretty stupid to go and queue 3 days early.

I went on day 90, and first thing I asked even before queuing was whether that was ok (it was).

24 minutes ago, khunpa said:

Which makes me personally believe the virus was “man-made” and escaped from the Lab in China. 

Good luck to some intelligent posters , and for the rest ...

bye bye , never again , not worth it .

Omicron (or Sigma or Tau or Omega whatever later) will spread, like Delta did, in spite of all the lockdowns. The only way is vaccination, mask, and self-isolation when at risk. Our Anutin should concentrate his efforts on convincing no-vaxxers rathen making U-turns on travel policies every few days - and this holds true for all governments of the world. Additionally Thailand should enforce proof of vaccination for indoor activities. It is illogical to stop a few thousands fully vaccinated foreigners coming in, when we have millions unvaccinated free to congregate in bars and transportation.

But I understand it does serve a certain logic of finger-pointing foreigners.

 

(and yes, I do know that also vaccinated can transmit, let's not start this tiresome theme again).

 

17 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

Thailand’s first, has also been detected, in a Thai woman who did not travel outside the country, but whose husband recently returned from Nigeria. 

 

Well of course by now they would have tracked, traced and tested all of the husbands and wifes contacts.

might as well get it out in the open 

 

though most people have probably had covid now (hidden figures) so might not see the waves as bad as other countries

2 hours ago, vandeventer said:

Many people will not be reporting if they have Omicron as they may never know that they had it. Without requiring hospital treatment who would???

There are now three reported Omicron subvarieties. If the symptoms are 'mild', like in the case of the South African one, then yes, many probably won't. 

26 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

UK data on deaths looks very promising.

 

Cases look like this. Skyrocketing.

 

 

 

Deaths look like this. 

Of course, that won't stop the merchants of doom from wanting to lock everyone down.

Remember deaths lag infection and cases by up to 2 weeks.

1 minute ago, ThailandRyan said:

Remember deaths lag infection and cases by up to 2 weeks.

Yes, but the first Omicron was identified in the UK on 27th November so you have to assume it was around for at least a few days before that. So well over the 2 week period. More likely approaching a month.

 

Cases have been rocketing since around mid November.

 

Yet deaths in the same period can be seen after the vertical line.

 

 

Deaths are actually decreasing in the last week despite the astronomical increase in cases.

 

https://westbridgfordwire.com/uk-covid-20-december/

 

So no matter how you spin it, the actual figures look promising.

I'm not sure yet whether this one identified Omicron case will lead the outbreak here as its fully traceable to the husband and the contacts they've had. Its when they start popping up with unknown travel history or unknown high risk contacts that I believe will be the start of the wave.

 

When it really gets going it doubles in less than 2 days, there's no stopping it, any measures put in place would be too late anyway. The impact in Thailand is the big question. Thailand tends to hospitalize cases more so than other countries, even now with just around 3k or less a day there are still 38,892 people in real hospitals with delta. 

 

How will Thailand react to the massive number it will see and how they isolate all those, the vast majority of which will be mild symptoms is the big question. 

 

There is still no certain evidence of how virulent Omicron is, be that milder than delta or the same. However that does not really matter too much as that is not the focus, even if it were the same as delta the symptoms would still be mild because of vaccinations. The focus is on sheer numbers of people infected and what to do with them. Factor in the sheer number of frontline workers that will also be infected, nurses, doctors etc

 

Personally I would see it as no choice but for home isolation, ridiculous to start erecting loads of field hospitals again. 

1 hour ago, arithai12 said:

Yes pretty stupid to go and queue 3 days early.

I went on day 90, and first thing I asked even before queuing was whether that was ok (it was).

She asked when we arrived they said yes, as we are going up country for Xmas and new year, but when at check point they said no ????

If the Government are thinking of introducing quarantine and travel restrictions ie Provincial wise

Can they wait until after the New Year period

We have just finalised  our travelling plans for Bangkok and Hua Hin over

The Christmas and New Year ???? 

Would be most appreciated 

We're right back to Thailand opening the entirety of Thailand to travel on Songkran after the Thong Lor hotspot breakout that spread across the country.

The government is going to repeat that once more with Omicron on New Years Eve and my guess?  They'll get the same results.

 

18 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

Anutin also revealed that travel measures may be readjusted. Based on initial discussions, all arrivals may have to go through quarantine again, with the cancellation of the Test & Go scheme. The “sandbox” scheme will remain in place. Such measures will have to be proposed to the CCSA first.

Kbank's "worse-case" estimate for tourism in 2022 at 23 million arrivals just dropped by another 25%.

Anutin the main character of Thailand's vaccine debacle and slow roll out wants to be Thailand's next Prime Minister and probably win ????

South Africa's top Covid doctor who found Omicron has announced that South Africa infections have already peaked. She states Omicron symptoms very very mild compared to Delta. If this is true, let Omicron kick Delta up the bum and be the world's new variant

4 hours ago, cheapcanuck said:

Time to cancel my Thai trip for next year. No way am I going to spend 10-14 days in quarantine. 

And just imagine if you pop positive on a Covid test.  Then it's an additional two weeks of forced incarceration in a hospital.
Mexico!  Great beaches, weather, and food.  No Covid drama on entry.

45 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Remember deaths lag infection and cases by up to 2 weeks.

Is this also true for Omicron? 

Could be different.....

4 hours ago, nobodysfriend said:

Even if they close the whole country down , it will still spread here .

No way to keep it out .

Vaccinations against Delta have little effect on Omicron .

and what source of data do you base that broad statement on.... it would appear based on data  from South Africa and recent Moderna tests that indeed vaccinations  have a great affect against Omicron.....

Japan is doing well on their Covid situation-- they don’t force their citizens to be vaccinated, unlike the rest of the world. 
That’s what the government should be like; with real leadership, showing how they seriously tackle the problem, instead of controlling their citizens like school kids.
Ducking mint.

 

https://covid19.who.int/region/wpro/country/jp

 

https://www.mhlw.go.jp/stf/covid-19/vaccine.html
 

 

 

 

 

 

4 hours ago, nobodysfriend said:

 

Vaccinations against Delta have little effect on Omicron .

It seems that statement is only partly true, see my reply above, just 2 minutes ago.

Fairly consistent. It took them a couple of months to declare the original Covid outbreak too. Whether it is deliberate or due to inefficiency, eventually they realize that they’re not special.

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57 minutes ago, ArcticFox said:

Kbank's "worse-case" estimate for tourism in 2022 at 23 million arrivals just dropped by another 25%.

Cutting a very long story short, I don't believe a second that Thailand could see "23 million arrivals" in 2022. Lucky if it comes to a few millions.

And what a stupid precision in the "23 million" estimate anyway! Anyone with a sense of numbers would have said "around 20 millions" (an optimistic estimate anyway).

4 hours ago, Tarteso said:

And now Omicron, soon we will have the Virus with names of the complete Greek alphabet.

In USA it starts to be worrying..

The question should be, "Who creates the narrative?"  Who creates the particulars regarding 'variants' and their spread.  What is verifiable by the average man and what is taken completely on faith?  Are you on the inside or the outside?

4 minutes ago, AustinRacing said:

Fairly consistent. It took them a couple of months to declare the original Covid outbreak too. Whether it is deliberate or due to inefficiency, eventually they realize that they’re not special.

Thailand found, and sequenced the first SARS2 case outside of China in a woman arriving by air from China on Jan 8, 2020. This was before China had released the sequence to the world. When China released the sequence on Jan 12, Thailand acknowledged theirs.

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

I'm not sure yet whether this one identified Omicron case will lead the outbreak here as its fully traceable to the husband and the contacts they've had. Its when they start popping up with unknown travel history or unknown high risk contacts that I believe will be the start of the wave.

 

When it really gets going it doubles in less than 2 days, there's no stopping it, any measures put in place would be too late anyway. The impact in Thailand is the big question. Thailand tends to hospitalize cases more so than other countries, even now with just around 3k or less a day there are still 38,892 people in real hospitals with delta. 

 

How will Thailand react to the massive number it will see and how they isolate all those, the vast majority of which will be mild symptoms is the big question. 

 

There is still no certain evidence of how virulent Omicron is, be that milder than delta or the same. However that does not really matter too much as that is not the focus, even if it were the same as delta the symptoms would still be mild because of vaccinations. The focus is on sheer numbers of people infected and what to do with them. Factor in the sheer number of frontline workers that will also be infected, nurses, doctors etc

 

Personally I would see it as no choice but for home isolation, ridiculous to start erecting loads of field hospitals again. 

There is no way the Thai authorities can contain the spread of the Omicron variant. No way.

2 minutes ago, MarcelV said:

There is no way the Thai authorities can contain the spread of the Omicron variant. No way.

Not sure did you think I was saying they could? I agree, nothing can contain it.

2 hours ago, jacko45k said:

You know where you are... rules is rules.... why did she go early?

Probably same as me, doctors order after testing my immune system it was very low even after 2 Pfizer shots catching Covid Positive. Now after 3 months getting a Moderna booster instead of 6 months this week.

the variant after omicron will be the big one, deadly.