Poll: Has Science Been Beneficial or Detrimental to Humanity?

[Hummin]

15 minutes ago, TropicalGuy said:

No, it has not. The human mind has done that entirely.

whatever good religion did, it limited it &  perverted & used it for Power & Control. Held Back Modern Science for 1500 years…..+ gave us Crusades, Inquisition,Arab Jihads,Latin American Indian Slaughter,Fascism Support.

Please tell me where I'm wrong? The church or religion have been involved in almost everything in every corner of the world. If you read and understand history, you will see the influence in every step of the humanity. From ancient beliefs all the way up today. Desmond Tutu influenced a whole generation of world leaders, the pope still going strong.

[Skeptic7]

35 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

You repeated it 3 times in a single sentence.  To claim it's for brevity is bull.  And at no other time ever have you replied to me using my nick.  I've told you before that you might fool others but you ain't getting anything past me.  I'm keeping you honest.  Don't try it again.

Not bull at all Tippaporn...and since when is "porn" a bad thing??? 555 PLUS you just admitted it is your nick, as I already mentioned is very common. However, since Tippaporn is so triggered...IF Skeptic7 ever lowers himself to address or acknowledge Tippaporn again, will be sure to only use full username. ????

 

LOL...YOU keeping anyone honest! So much as me. 

Edited December 28, 2021 by Skeptic7

[Fat is a type of crazy]

8 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

I don't disagree.  But all of the theories I mentioned are taught as fact.  Bottom line is that science has accepted the unproven as fact which means all they have is a strong belief.  So how is that different from religious belief?
 

One can't have it both ways.  That's all I'm trying to point out.  Accept the point or not but I've yet to hear a rationale successfully arguing otherwise where the logic holds water.

I am just going to repeat other comments but no one has said the Big Bang theory or really any scientific theory is necessarily correct. Some are extremely likely, some just likely based on available evidence, it feels like your looking for a problem that isn't  there. 

You may be correct that a lay person such as me accepts what science gives but I only have limited time and trust certain scientific institutions and publications. I don't need to do my own research on the vaccine because I let trusted sources provide guidance. I won't trust them fully but I'll get them more credence than less reliable sources. 

[TropicalGuy]

7 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

I don't disagree.  But all of the theories I mentioned are taught as fact.  Bottom line is that science has accepted the unproven as fact which means all they have is a strong belief.  So how is that different from religious belief?
 

One can't have it both ways.  That's all I'm trying to point out.  Accept the point or not but I've yet to hear a rationale successfully arguing otherwise where the logic holds water.

Science deals in Evidence & Proven Fact, not in “belief”, nor has it “accepted the unproven as fact”.That would be Pseudo - Science.

If weight of Scientific Evidence is Overwhelming with No Reasonable Doubt , like say Evolution (or Big Bang), then yes that is rightly accepted and taught as Fact, along with the underlying Evidence  and Open to Challenge. 

[Kwasaki]

59 minutes ago, TropicalGuy said:

Early Technology which started with tools & fire & hunting 700k years ago predating modern humans,  rather than science, which accompanied only advanced civilizations starting 5500 years ago.

So I  was close.? 

[TropicalGuy]

16 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Please tell me where I'm wrong? The church or religion have been involved in almost everything in every corner of the world. If you read and understand history, you will see the influence in every step of the humanity. From ancient beliefs all the way up today. Desmond Tutu influenced a whole generation of world leaders, the pope still going strong.

My post clearly advised why you are wrong and the true evil purpose of religious influence. 

[Skeptic7]

10 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

, it feels like your looking for a problem that isn't  there. 

Spot on! Nailed it. ????

 

[tgw]

38 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

No proof of a big bang.  A theory that's taught as accepted fact, though.

No proof that life began from a concoction of dead, lifeless matter brought together under unknown circumstances and unknown conditions with an unknown catalyst as a spark.  A theory that's taught as accepted fact, though.

No proof that all life evolved from a single life form.  Another theory that's taught as accepted fact.

Now I'm not religious so I wouldn't argue that the world was created in seven days, one of the superstitions I'm sure you're referring to.  Yet when science dreams up explanations regarding creation for which they have no proof but accept as reality then what do you call that?  Scientifically deduced superstition?

Of course science grants itself an exemption from actually providing hard proof by considering a substantial amount of evidence leaning towards that conclusion to be good enough and equal to proof.   Sure!  LOL

You can't have it both ways, Skeptic.  Only through denial can you have it both ways.

The theories you mentioned were taught to me as theories.

 

Maybe the problem stems from science sometimes being taught by morons and sometimes being taught to morons ?

And when morons teach to morons, such things as flat earthers are born ?

 

 

 

[TropicalGuy]

2 hours ago, Skeptic7 said:

Or not.

 

It was a great post until this final bit of predicting the future. Wish you'd have reworded it or omitted it completely. Still a good post prior. ????

There must always be a “BUT” when responding either way to

such a large Important subject ……the Question invites it !????????

[Hummin]

1 minute ago, TropicalGuy said:

My post clearly advised why you are wrong and the true evil purpose of religious influence. 

I would say it have been good intentions as bad intentions. Mostly huge beneficial for our western culture, but thats my opinion. I'm not christian myself, but I have read and studied some history, and Christianity have not been the worst comparing to other cultures beliefs. 

And it is not true religion have dismissed religion, but yes of political reasons done quite many crimes against humanity. 

 

Like it or not, people need something in their lives that make them feel part of something greater, and willing to pull in same direction for the better! 

 

No mythology or religion have been perfect neither any other political philosophy. 

 

We are still humans who either believe on a or b, or one of those who waith and see what the majority believe in and first then dare to make a decision! 

[TropicalGuy]

6 minutes ago, tgw said:

The theories you mentioned were taught to me as theories.

 

Maybe the problem stems from science sometimes being taught by morons and sometimes being taught to morons ?

And when morons teach to morons, such things as flat earthers are born ?

 

 

 

My high school physics & chemistry teachers did not inspire me so I switched to biology and geography but always retained a Reasonable Scientific Mind. Never tempted to the dark side of Pseudo Science…..

[mikebike]

9 hours ago, BritManToo said:

I doubt there's much difference.

Probably as many babies aborted now, as died before adulthood then.

Science has just shifted the early death date from child to fetus.

If you add in contraception, the number of unborn children is probably far larger.

Science:

 

"Many researchers have independently studied mortality rates for children in the past: in different societies, locations, and historical periods. The average across a large number of historical studies suggests that in the past around one-quarter of infants died in their first year of life and around half of all children died before they reached the end of puberty.

Since then the risk of death for children has fallen around the world. The global average today is 10 times lower than the average of the past. In countries with the best child health today an infant is 170 times more likely to survive."

 

https://ourworldindata.org/child-mortality-in-the-past

[mikebike]

9 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Double!

 

Edited December 28, 2021 by mikebike

[TropicalGuy]

2 minutes ago, Hummin said:

I would say it have been good intentions as bad intentions. Mostly huge beneficial for our western culture, but thats my opinion. I'm not christian myself, but I have read and studied some history, and Christianity have not been the worst comparing to other cultures beliefs. 

And it is not true religion have dismissed religion, but yes of political reasons done quite many crimes against humanity. 

 

Like it or not, people need something in their lives that make them feel part of something greater, and willing to pull in same direction for the better! 

 

No mythology or religion have been perfect neither any other political philosophy. 

 

We are still humans who either believe on a or b, or one of those who waith and see what the majority believe in and first then dare to make a decision! 

As Education Increases in Civilized Society so Religion Decreases. Still so many people who should know better actually believe in unproven religious / superstitious nonsense, clearly man -made ! “Believe” in reality like Science…Don’t get how Scientists can be Religious. Requires Doublethink like 1984…….

[mikebike]

8 hours ago, Gsxrnz said:

Science can never solve the ultimate conundrum, that the solution to today's biggest problem inevitably becomes tomorrows biggest problem.

Ok. I'll bite. What is "the ultimate conundrum"?

[BangkokReady]

On 12/26/2021 at 4:12 PM, Skeptic7 said:

Seems odd to me that some people nowadays are pushing back against science.

The only people pushing back against science are crazies (probably gender or sex crazies) who don't like the truth.  Science shows us the truth, so they want to destroy science.

[BangkokReady]

7 minutes ago, mikebike said:

Ok. I'll bite. What is "the ultimate conundrum"?

According to the sentence quoted: "that the solution to today's biggest problem inevitably becomes tomorrows biggest problem."

[BritManToo]

20 minutes ago, mikebike said:

Science:

 

"Many researchers have independently studied mortality rates for children in the past: in different societies, locations, and historical periods. The average across a large number of historical studies suggests that in the past around one-quarter of infants died in their first year of life and around half of all children died before they reached the end of puberty.

Science,

In the USA it's reported up to 20% of fetus are aborted.

And untold more were never conceived due to contraception.

Edited December 28, 2021 by BritManToo

[Skeptic7]

7 minutes ago, mikebike said:

Ok. I'll bite. What is "the ultimate conundrum"?

Pretty certain I get his meaning and it's actually correct in some instances, but not in the absolute way he's claiming. Not even close. However...will let him reply and explain before I interject further. 

[sawadee1947]

I think this is the most unnecessary and silliest and most stupid so called Poll I've Seen here on TV.

[ozimoron]

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

No proof of a big bang.  A theory that's taught as accepted fact, though.
 

No it isn't. It's still called a theory for a reason.

Edited December 28, 2021 by ozimoron

[ozimoron]

35 minutes ago, Hummin said:

I would say it have been good intentions as bad intentions. Mostly huge beneficial for our western culture, but thats my opinion. I'm not christian myself, but I have read and studied some history, and Christianity have not been the worst comparing to other cultures beliefs. 

And it is not true religion have dismissed religion, but yes of political reasons done quite many crimes against humanity. 

 

Like it or not, people need something in their lives that make them feel part of something greater, and willing to pull in same direction for the better! 

 

No mythology or religion have been perfect neither any other political philosophy. 

 

We are still humans who either believe on a or b, or one of those who waith and see what the majority believe in and first then dare to make a decision! 

Would it come as a shock to you to realise that humans don't need to feel part of something greater and that most humans don't?

[Tippaporn]

4 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

  

15 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

I don't disagree.  But all of the theories I mentioned are taught as fact.  Bottom line is that science has accepted the unproven as fact which means all they have is a strong belief.  So how is that different from religious belief?
 

One can't have it both ways.  That's all I'm trying to point out.  Accept the point or not but I've yet to hear a rationale successfully arguing otherwise where the logic holds water.

 

I am just going to repeat other comments but no one has said the Big Bang theory or really any scientific theory is necessarily correct. Some are extremely likely, some just likely based on available evidence, it feels like your looking for a problem that isn't  there. 

You may be correct that a lay person such as me accepts what science gives but I only have limited time and trust certain scientific institutions and publications. I don't need to do my own research on the vaccine because I let trusted sources provide guidance. I won't trust them fully but I'll get them more credence than less reliable sources. 

You see, this is why, in my opinion, so many debates are futile.  All three are theories yet all three are taught as fact.  Check.  If they are not proven facts then they are beliefs.  Check.  Yet all one gets is a denial in one form or another.  Check.

 

And your conclusion is that I'm looking for a problem that's not there?  No, I'm looking for some honesty that will never come.

 

Weeellll, yes they are just theories and may not be correct (partial but very weak admission).  But of course they may even be extremely likely (yeah, they're not proven but chances are really, really good that they are fact).

 

How about, "Ya know, you got a good point."

[Skeptic7]

22 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Science,

In the USA it's reported up to 40% of fetus are aborted.

So what? And please provide your source, because 40% is nearly 100% higher than the stats I'm finding. And even if correct...so what? 

 

Abortion is a very safe medical procedure and an unimaginably difficult decision for the impregnated female regardless of age. That said, every female on Earth should have total bodily autonomy and have that option. Thanks to science!

Edited December 28, 2021 by Skeptic7

[Hummin]

13 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Would it come as a shock to you to realise that humans don't need to feel part of something greater and that most humans don't?

Well it seems like you guys think it is personal for me to state historic facts about how religion have influenced us for good and bad, I can assure it is not. Im not member of any belief system, neither political organisation. I like science and facts as far it is possible. 

 

Neither a hooligan in any footbal supporter club (some will say that qualify as something higher than themselves, the team) 

 

I think you will be shocked how much it is really matters to people to feel they belong to something higher than temselves, something gives life a purpose. 

 

Anyway, it is just pure facts, religion have influenced our lives either we like it or not. 

[Tippaporn]

58 minutes ago, TropicalGuy said:

Science deals in Evidence & Proven Fact, not in “belief”, nor has it “accepted the unproven as fact”.That would be Pseudo - Science.

If weight of Scientific Evidence is Overwhelming with No Reasonable Doubt , like say Evolution (or Big Bang), then yes that is rightly accepted and taught as Fact, along with the underlying Evidence  and Open to Challenge. 

Listen, you can claim all you like that science gets to treat unproven theory as fact but it will never change the fact that it's unproven.  Unproven theory is belief.  No different, in my opinion, than religious belief that says the world was created in 7 days.  Both are fantasy until actual proof is presented for either.

Your use of capitalisation to imply authority doesn't impress me in the least.  Neither does it confer credibility to statement.  Use all caps next time.  I don't care.  It won't change the truth.

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Well it seems like you guys think it is personal for me to state historic facts about how religion have influenced us for good and bad, I can assure it is not. Im not member of any belief system, neither political organisation. I like science and facts as far it is possible. 

 

Neither a hooligan in any footbal supporter club (some will say that qualify as something higher than themselves, the team) 

 

I think you will be shocked how much it is really matters to people to feel they belong to something higher than temselves, something gives life a purpose. 

 

Anyway, it is just pure facts, religion have influenced our lives either we like it or not. 

You claimed that like it or not, [all] humans need something to believe in. It simply isn't true. I believe that holds for sporting affiliations, nationalism, religion, the whole gamut. Huge numbers of people reject that very notion and many of those regard such values as toxic to society.

[seedy]

3 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Science didn't exist in the world before 1700.

555

[seedy]

8 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

You claimed that like it or not, [all] humans need something to believe in. It simply isn't true. I believe that holds for sporting affiliations, nationalism, religion, the whole gamut. Huge numbers of people reject that very notion and many of those regard such values as toxic to society.

Agree .

Many (Most ?) people need 'something to believe in' Why ?

They have never been in situations where they had to rely on only themselves to survive. Or with a small group of other people.

Think the Status Quo and those who live by it and uphold it as some higher power. 555

Drummed into them since they were children, 'You gotta Go along to Get along'

[Stocky]

2 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

No proof of a big bang.  A theory that's taught as accepted fact, though.

No proof that life began from a concoction of dead, lifeless matter brought together under unknown circumstances and unknown conditions with an unknown catalyst as a spark.  A theory that's taught as accepted fact, though.

No proof that all life evolved from a single life form.  Another theory that's taught as accepted fact.

A scientific theory is NOT a fact, rather it is an explanation that fits the currently available factual data. There can be several competing theories or a single established theory. Either you misunderstood your science teacher, or your science teacher wasn't very good.

 

Science isn't a belief, science is evidence driven. Theories are accepted or dismissed on the weight of evidence. That acceptance or dismissal can change with the addition of new data.

 

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Edited December 28, 2021 by Stocky