Total and Chevron packed up during last week and got the hell out of Myanmar due to the countries instability and the killing of innocent civilians was not in line with their ethics or beliefs.

 

Along comes PTT to move in .....   it obviously doesn't give a rats about the cost of human lives in Myanmar .....  they moved in like a leach ...

and 

I thought Saudi was smarter than that and would tell Thailand where to go ..... 

 

news :  https://www.yahoo.com/

 

you should contact your friends in high places and voice your dissent

I would have done the same. 

2 minutes ago, tgw said:

you should contact your friends in high places and voice your dissent

sorry, Thailand was one country that didn't support UNHCR's boycott and sanctions and arms embargo against Myanmar.    Thailand doesn't give a rats ....   imo

3 minutes ago, alextrat1966 said:

I would have done the same. 

on both points  ....   ?

28 minutes ago, steven100 said:

 

Total and Chevron packed up during last week and got the hell out of Myanmar due to the countries instability and the killing of innocent civilians was not in line with their ethics or beliefs.

 

It's been nearly a year since the coup and several years since the Rohingya persecution got really bad so, given how long both Total and Chevron have been operating in Yadana, it's taken them a while to develop a conscience.  Chevron and many other oil majors are pulling out of many SE Asian production fields largely because a) many of the fields are heavily depleted and nearing end of life and b) fossil fuels are becoming a liability. I don't think "ethics" has much to do with it. Just bottom line.

3 minutes ago, BKKBike09 said:

It's been nearly a year since the coup and several years since the Rohingya persecution got really bad so, given how long both Total and Chevron have been operating in Yadana, it's taken them a while to develop a conscience.  Chevron and many other oil majors are pulling out of many SE Asian production fields largely because a) many of the fields are heavily depleted and nearing end of life and b) fossil fuels are becoming a liability. I don't think "ethics" has much to do with it. Just bottom line.

11 minutes ago, steven100 said:

on both points  ....   ?

Specially on the first point. 

4 minutes ago, BKKBike09 said:

I don't think "ethics" has much to do with it.

but they like everyone to think that ....

1 minute ago, BKKBike09 said:

I don't think "ethics" has much to do with it. Just bottom line.

Agreed.....  No large company has ‘ethics’ and these moral standards you (op) seem to believe. 

 

They talk a lot.. they may sponsor a school, they may offset their carbon footprint, they may quote words like sustainable, renewable, eco-friendly.... They may schmoozy up to the media while manicuring their perfect political landscape with the right terminology......  

 

.... its all theatre... 

13 minutes ago, steven100 said:

sorry, Thailand was one country that didn't support UNHCR's boycott and sanctions and arms embargo against Myanmar.    Thailand doesn't give a rats ....   imo

Then perhaps it is time to take down that photo under your name.

 

For he, personally, incontravertibly, on behalf of Thailand, does not give a rats fundament and wholeheartedly endorses PTT.

 

You can bet your life on that.

 

 

5 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Agreed.....  No large company has ‘ethics’ and these moral standards you (op) seem to believe. 

 

They talk a lot.. they may sponsor a school, they may offset their carbon footprint, they may quote words like sustainable, renewable, eco-friendly.... They may schmoozy up to the media while manicuring their perfect political landscape with the right terminology......  

 

.... its all theatre... 

I totally agree ....  the company spiel about ethical behavior and how they care about their employees has long gone .....    I would like to think it did exist in the 70's - 80's ... imo  

Thought it’d be right up your alley, steven, beings who your hero is. 

4 minutes ago, daveAustin said:

Thought it’d be right up your alley, steven, beings who your hero is. 

His hero is a good man...

Oh aye, wonderful (compared to Pop Pot or Mugabe), Nobel Prize material, but try telling that to the millions of Thais he’s trounced and made poor. For future ref, When doing irony, use this one: ????

The idea that major US businesses (or Chinese, European etc, etc) care about ethics is laughable.  Businesses have a duty to their shareholders to deliver profits and growth.  That's it.

 

If  customer and investor sentiment about a particular ethical issues starts to impact on profits or growth, then businesses will invest in some PR whitewash, greenwash or whatever wash to shore up the financials.

 

PTT's customers don't care enough to vote with their cash, and their main investors will think military coups are good idea, so why should PTT care.

 

I doubt Chevron's customers or investors care about Myanmar either - so I agree, it was a financial descision.

 

And KFC, Pizza Hut, Starbucks don't seem too bothered about ethics in Myanmar either.  Or about ethics in China.

 

Corporate business ethics is a myth.

How does the OP behave and how does his country  behave that gives him the right to criticize Thailand?..

6 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said:

How does the OP behave and how does his country  behave that gives him the right to criticize Thailand?..

Get off yer soap box.....  It's a valid discussion.....

 

 

Bottom line, businesses operate to make money, if customers or their shareholders don't like the way a business operates they are free to "vote" with their money. 

If you don't agree with PTT's decision, fine, boycott them. 

 

7 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Get off yer soap box.....  It's a valid discussion.....

 

 

Discussions do involve other people - lol. And other people do have different  opinions. lol Get used to it mate. That  is what makes a discussion.   But what the  OP proposes is absurd as the Thai  people are not really represented by their decision  makers. So I suggest  you try to control your comments which might appear unreasoned knee jerk reactions  to a very valid point of view. Think before you write please. 

The headline says "This is how Thais and Thai companies operate....", so one Thai company's decision represents all Thais and all Thai companies? This takes Thai bashing to a new level.

1 hour ago, steven100 said:

sorry, Thailand was one country that didn't support UNHCR's boycott and sanctions and arms embargo against Myanmar.    Thailand doesn't give a rats ....   imo

Well Thailand's government can't really say much about military coups. Pot calling kettle black and all that.

I think the Saudi meeting is a great benefit for Thailand. It's more than likely a way to supply Saudi with a cheap construction force, but that will be money coming back to Thailand. A lot of desperate, unemployed construction workers will get shipped over and their salaries will feed their starving families. I'm sure Saudi will dock a percentage to recoup the loss of jewels, and some will go into the pockets of the generals, but that's a small price to pay. Without tourism, Thailand needs a source of incoming funds and there aren't many options.

7 minutes ago, cncltd1973 said:

I think the Saudi meeting is a great benefit for Thailand. It's more than likely a way to supply Saudi with a cheap construction force, but that will be money coming back to Thailand. A lot of desperate, unemployed construction workers will get shipped over and their salaries will feed their starving families. I'm sure Saudi will dock a percentage to recoup the loss of jewels, and some will go into the pockets of the generals, but that's a small price to pay. Without tourism, Thailand needs a source of incoming funds and there aren't many options.

Before  the Blue Diamond  affair hundreds of thousands  of Thais worked  in the MENA including Saudi  of course. Their replacements, especially  Philippinos were not as good. The Saudis and expats  will be relieved to have the Thais  back

36 minutes ago, cncltd1973 said:

I think the Saudi meeting is a great benefit for Thailand. It's more than likely a way to supply Saudi with a cheap construction force, but that will be money coming back to Thailand. A lot of desperate, unemployed construction workers will get shipped over and their salaries will feed their starving families.

Things have changed here in Saudi. Workers now need to be qualified/certified in the field they work in. Tests are also given before work permits can be renewed.

4 hours ago, steven100 said:

Along comes PTT to move in .....   it obviously doesn't give a rats about the cost of human lives in Myanmar .....  they moved in like a leach ...

Not quite. They cant move in to where they are already. The field was shared by all three companies with Total being the operator. They and Chevron are pulling out leaving PTTEP to operate the field.

What do sanctions actually do?

Do they hurt the rick leaders?

Do they hurt lots of ordinary people?

I think it is wrong to think sanctions are always a good solution to hurt those who are responsible for something bad. They may hurt those at the top a little, but more likely they hurt lots of ordinary people a lot.

I think the situation is too complex and we know too little about that is happening and how the situation can be "adjusted".

Who here is an expert?

It's easy to demand sanctions to hurt those bad people somewhere in the world. But does that actually happen? Or is it often wishful thinking?

8 hours ago, BKKBike09 said:

It's been nearly a year since the coup and several years since the Rohingya persecution got really bad so, given how long both Total and Chevron have been operating in Yadana, it's taken them a while to develop a conscience.  Chevron and many other oil majors are pulling out of many SE Asian production fields largely because a) many of the fields are heavily depleted and nearing end of life and b) fossil fuels are becoming a liability. I don't think "ethics" has much to do with it. Just bottom line.

Totally agree it's about the money and chirping about human rights etc. is a ploy to gain them some brownie points on the way out.

10 hours ago, steven100 said:

sorry, Thailand was one country that didn't support UNHCR's boycott and sanctions and arms embargo against Myanmar.    Thailand doesn't give a rats ....   imo

You quote Thailand...

I think you could narrow that down to your favourite friend... you know who.

This TIT! 

 

If there is money to be made and even better have a monopolistic business they could care less about being politically correct.