If war breaks out in Ukraine, what do you think will be the impact on your expat life in Thailand?

[Saanim]

16 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

I did, there were none. You can't get away with "google is your friend" and find sympathy for your cause..

Actually, it is not "my" cause.

BTW, how did you make the conjunction with NATO? 

[ozimoron]

30 minutes ago, Saanim said:

Actually, it is not "my" cause.

BTW, how did you make the conjunction with NATO? 

You mentioned 30 nations on Russia's borders. Obviously most are NATO.

 

[MrJ2U]

Expensive gas!

 

No travel Bubbles with Ukraine.

[Kwasaki]

1 hour ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

Today ...... please try and keep up 

It's not an invasion it's an attempt to help parts of Ukraine and Russian people who want there independence, choose sides by all means if you want. 

[Atlantis]

Does everyone remember that time about 20 years back when the US invaded didn't invade Iraq? It was an invasion wasn't an invasion; it was an attempt to help parts of Iraq and Shia people who wanted their independence.

But by all means, choose sides if you want!

[Kwasaki]

6 minutes ago, Atlantis said:

Does everyone remember that time about 20 years back when the US invaded didn't invade Iraq? It was an invasion wasn't an invasion; it was an attempt to help parts of Iraq and Shia people who wanted their independence.

But by all means, choose sides if you want!

What's going on reminds me of the saying don't do as I do, do as I tell ya. 

[Atlantis]

What's going on - on this thread - reminds me of people trying so hard to be contrarian as to lose all sense of basic morality and common sense.

'Ukrainian Dictatorship' by one drunken sailor above - as opposed to Putin's democracy?
And then the whole mental gymnastics with "the invasion is not an invasion - too soon!; except Crimea, but that doesn't count. Because ethnic Russians there you see. And that was too long ago.

And lets try our very best to hook on to that recent time when US-led armed forces annexed a Middle Eastern country. Oh wait, no....

[ExpatOilWorker]

https://fb.watch/bkvkZK7P6O/

[Nojohndoe]

6 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

https://fb.watch/bkvkZK7P6O/

Is the  purpose  behind that link to demonstrate the genuine turmoil of political  dispute , the ludicrous elements of it, or the futile dependence on political representation of the  masses? In each or either way it more or less indicates  how  infantile humanity is . IMHO !

[Atlantis]

Back on topic --- What (financial) impact on expat life in Thailand? ---

Interesting behavior of risk assets as of right now just after 6 pm in Thailand. At least the dumber part of financial markets anyway.

Looks a lot like Sell the Rumor, Buy the Fact. And probably an element of hasty dismissal of the more severe sanctions on the table.

[Eloquent pilgrim]

58 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

It's not an invasion it's an attempt to help parts of Ukraine and Russian people who want there independence, choose sides by all means if you want. 

 

Russian troops and tanks have crossed the internationally recognised border between Russia and Ukraine; this is called an invasion, I have no idea why you find this so difficult to understand.

[Walker88]

7 minutes ago, Atlantis said:

Back on topic --- What (financial) impact on expat life in Thailand? ---

Interesting behavior of risk assets as of right now just after 6 pm in Thailand. At least the dumber part of financial markets anyway.

Looks a lot like Sell the Rumor, Buy the Fact. And probably an element of hasty dismissal of the more severe sanctions on the table.

No. The term was merely redefined, removing 'invasion' so that scheduled meetings between bureaucrats might take place later in the week.

[Walker88]

7 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

Russian troops and tanks have crossed the internationally recognised border between Russia and Ukraine; this is called an invasion, I have no idea why you find this so difficult to understand.

That poster must have conducted his own 'independent poll', so he knows for sure that those areas really really want to join Little Vladdy's autocracy.

 

Good precedent, too. Some future US autocrat wannabe might conduct a similarly 'independent poll' and 'discover' renegade provinces like Alberta and the Northwest Territories, where the language is English, and many residents are the descendants of US fur trappers or folks who went there to avoid being drafted for the Vietnam War, and decide to send in 'peacekeeping troops' after this future POTUS declares those provinces 'independent'.

[Kwasaki]

15 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

Russian troops and tanks have crossed the internationally recognised border between Russia and Ukraine; this is called an invasion, I have no idea why you find this so difficult to understand.

Russia is conducting a peace keeping mission to protect Russian people who want independence from Ukraine why do you find that so difficult to understand. 

[Atlantis]

3 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

There is a member on this forum ‘connda’ who has just posted a laughing emoji on my comment about Russian tanks and troops rolling into Ukraine; today is a very dark day for Europe, and indeed for the whole world, quite how anyone can find anything funny about it is completely beyond my comprehension.  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Here's some real comedic relief*.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10536659/Kremlin-producing-Hollywood-style-fake-news-inflame-tensions-Ukraine.html

As dark as the matter is, I challenge anyone not to laugh out loud at the sincere attempt at acting. If you do L.O.L, you must be a big fat anti-Russian (*GASP*) fascistic imperialistic racist!

*Beyond the entertaining mental acrobatics elsewhere on this thread, of course.

Edited February 22, 2022 by Atlantis
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[Jingthing]

Just now, Kwasaki said:

Russia is conducting a peace keeping mission to protect Russian people who want independence from Ukraine why do you find that so difficult to understand. 

It's impossible to believe.

[Kwasaki]

9 minutes ago, Atlantis said:

Here's some real comedic relief*.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10536659/Kremlin-producing-Hollywood-style-fake-news-inflame-tensions-Ukraine.html

As dark as the matter is, I challenge anyone not to laugh out loud at the sincere attempt at acting. If you do L.O.L, you must be a big fat anti-Russian (*GASP*) fascistic imperialistic racist!

*Beyond the entertaining mental acrobatics elsewhere on this thread, of course.

Dam those whiselblowers.

[simon43]

I have little respect for Putin.  But I can well understand why he is not happy about Ukraine clamouring to join NATO.  Bit like stationing Russian soldiers on the border of Mexico and the USA.  Ukraine must be loopy to think that Russia would stand by and accept western troops in the Ukraine.  Ukraine is simply in the wrong place geographically, as are the Baltic states.  They should remain independent and neutral.  Siding with NATO is like waving a red flag to a bull.....  The chance of WW3 is far greater IMHO if Ukraine is a 'western' power. 

 

Remind yourselves of what the USA did when Russia supported Cuba (in the US backyard...)

[Kwasaki]

3 minutes ago, simon43 said:

I have little respect for Putin.  But I can well understand why he is not happy about Ukraine clamouring to join NATO.  Bit like stationing Russian soldiers on the border of Mexico and the USA.  Ukraine must be loopy to think that Russia would stand by and accept western troops in the Ukraine.  Ukraine is simply in the wrong place geographically, as are the Baltic states.  They should remain independent and neutral.  Siding with NATO is like waving a red flag to a bull.....  The chance of WW3 is far greater IMHO if Ukraine is a 'western' power. 

 

Remind yourselves of what the USA did when Russia supported Cuba (in the US backyard...)

I don't know Putin haven't met him. 

The Russians have been misunderstood since end of ww2 and I can't blame em after loses 27 million people and certain generals saying let's attack Russian now. 

[Nojohndoe]

1 hour ago, Kwasaki said:

What's going on reminds me of the saying don't do as I do, do as I tell ya. 

Or even "If you are not with us then you are against us !

[Walker88]

23 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Russia is conducting a peace keeping mission to protect Russian people who want independence from Ukraine why do you find that so difficult to understand. 

Yes, kill for peace. Invade a sovereign nation because Little Vladdy really cares.

 

The guy is maybe 5'2", but has several inches of lifters built into his custom made shoes. What might be the cause of his woeful personal inferiority complex?

 

 

Edited February 22, 2022 by Walker88

[connda]

22 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

Russian troops and tanks have crossed the internationally recognised border between Russia and Ukraine; this is called an invasion, I have no idea why you find this so difficult to understand.

Usually when the US and NATO invades a country, they start off with jets crossing the border to bomb anything that moves. Tanks and 'boots and the ground' roll in later in the name of "Keeping The Peace."

Home-country folk following blind-patriotism make excellent cannon-fodder.  You or your sons and daughters die for their countries while the sons and daughters of the CEOs and executives of Raytheon, Lockheed, Haliburton, et.al. inherits daddy's and mummy's war-derived wealth, usually built on a pyre of foreign civilian bodies.
"Russia Bad!" "China Bad!"
Moral relativism is the epitome of hypocrisy and fails to move me emotionally or otherwise. 

"Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business."
- The Ledeen Doctrine, Micheal Ledeen, Special Advisor to the SecState

And they have been doing that since I was born.  Too many of my friends and acquaintances never came back from 'Nam - or Iraq and Afghanistan.
So "Russia Bad?"  Let's hear about it.

Back on topic:  Other than upsetting a bunch of expat self-ascribed "patriots" who probably never served a day in their homeland's military - nothing is gonna happen here in Thailand.  No effect at all.  And I served my eight years, hence I bought a valid opinion regardless of who agrees or not.

[Walker88]

The little guy made his name two decades ago when he was put in charge of 'taming' Chechnya. He unleashed the Russian military and slaughtered 200,000 people in Chechnya, thus quelling the independence movement. Funny how those people were NOT Russian Orthodox, had their own culture and language, but were not allowed independence.

 

It seems Vladdy's consideration of who should be granted 'independence' has changed.  Donetsk is declared 'independent' by an external source, but Chechnya? Sorry.

[Saanim]

 

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  3 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Which country did NATO invade?

 

3 hours ago, ozimoron said:

I did, there were none. You can't get away with "google is your friend" and find sympathy for your cause..

 

 

Then, obviously google is not your friend. 

Or, on the second thought, Google is a friend of NATO.  ????

 

Edited February 22, 2022 by Saanim

[Nojohndoe]

27 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Russia is conducting a peace keeping mission to protect Russian people who want independence from Ukraine why do you find that so difficult to understand. 

This where the wonderful word "Ostensibly" can be justifiably be used. lol

I say justifiably because the argument in opposition to the stance you suggest is difficult to defend and employ the same !

[Saanim]

18 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Yes, kill for peace. Invade a sovereign nation because Little Vladdy really cares.

 

The guy is maybe 5'2", but has several inches of lifters built into his custom made shoes. What might be the cause of his woeful personal inferiority complex?

 

 

You should make clear which of Little Vladdy  5'2" did you mean. Was it Volodomyr Zelensky? But he is 5'1"... 

[Atlantis]

1 minute ago, Saanim said:

You should make clear which of Little Vladdy  5'2" did you mean. Was it Volodomyr Zelensky? But he is 5'1"... 

Here's a little clue for you sunshine: Which One is Doing the Invading?

[simon43]

1 minute ago, Saanim said:

You should make clear which of Little Vladdy  5'2" did you mean. Was it Volodomyr Zelensky? But he is 5'1"... 

Wait!  Now I understand.  They both have inferiority complexes because of their small stature!!

[Atlantis]

36 minutes ago, simon43 said:

I have little respect for Putin.  But I can well understand why he is not happy about Ukraine clamouring to join NATO.  Bit like stationing Russian soldiers on the border of Mexico and the USA.  Ukraine must be loopy to think that Russia would stand by and accept western troops in the Ukraine.  Ukraine is simply in the wrong place geographically, as are the Baltic states.  They should remain independent and neutral.  Siding with NATO is like waving a red flag to a bull.....  The chance of WW3 is far greater IMHO if Ukraine is a 'western' power. 

 

Remind yourselves of what the USA did when Russia supported Cuba (in the US backyard...)

My knowledge of history is not as good as yours Simon. I seemed to have missed the bit where Ukraine was actively trying to install US nuclear weaponry on its territory.

I also can't seem to find the bit where the US annexed Cuba because POTUS was not happy about the Cubans clamoring to join the commie club.

I do seem to vaguely remember that Ukraine had ambitions to join the European Union. But even this was such a big no-no for the poor poor victimized Russians that they soon lost Crimea to a Russian invasion.

[Saanim]

17 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

The little guy made his name two decades ago when he was put in charge of 'taming' Chechnya. He unleashed the Russian military and slaughtered 200,000 people in Chechnya, thus quelling the independence movement. Funny how those people were NOT Russian Orthodox, had their own culture and language, but were not allowed independence.

 

It seems Vladdy's consideration of who should be granted 'independence' has changed.  Donetsk is declared 'independent' by an external source, but Chechnya? Sorry.

It seems that you are confused not only by the Vlads but also by the Chechnya wars, they were 2 of them.  The first one was dealt with no Vlad but with a Boris (not the current clown) who happened to be a good friend of a president at another side of the world.

 

And he bombed not only the Chechnya terrorist (is there another way how to deal with terrorists?) but also his own parliament with his own people.  And for this bombing he was applauded by his friend president...