Thailandpass requires insurance that covers quarantine of "close contacts"

[Lorry]

This is a new requirement as described in the thread "Warning:...", see attached screenshot from tp.consular.go.th.

I have general health insurance for abroad from Allianz AWP in Germany, covid is covered,  but  their letter doesn't state that quarantine of healthy,  asymptomatic infected people or quarantine of close contacts are covered. 

Has anybody had problems to enter Thailand  with health insurance not covering hospital quarantine for asymptomatic persons and quarantine for close contacts?  Few insurances cover these things. 

 

BTW on tp.consular.go.th Thai insurances are sold allegedly fulfilling all requirements. But they do not cover hospital quarantine for asymptomatic persons and quarantine for close contacts as you can read in the thread I mentioned. 

Edited February 13, 2022 by Lorry

[ding]

I just bought AXA because they advertise coverage for asymptomatic positive rtPCR cases requiring quarantine by governmental rule. But their definitions and policy disagree, and would have force most likely.

 

Yes, It's a scam; government requires covid insurance, government requires quarantine in a hospital (hospitel if ...?), and government does NOT require that the required "insurance" pay out for hospital quarantine unless medically required.

 

Clear? Nope!

Edited February 13, 2022 by ding

[Thailand]

Wonder why so few tourists?

[Boomer6969]

Under the current circumstances only mentally challenged people could consider a holiday trip to Thailand.

[KhaoYai]

They are being bloody stupid now. My insurance gives limited cover if I am required to quarantine as a result of Covid 19.  The exact wording is a but wooly but it doensn't say I actually have to have contracted the virus - ony as a result of it.. When I spoke to the insurers last year on this point, they told me I would be covered as long as I'd been ordered to quarantine by the authorities.

 

I very much doubt that I would get my insurers to put in writing that they will cover a suspicion, created by a close contact. Given the OIC announcement last week that Thai insurers will no longer have to provide cover for quarantine and 'hospitels' as of tomorrow - it would seem impossible to obtain any insurance that offers the cover stated above. In which case they might as well shut down Test & Go permanently!

 

Total bloody lunacy! They're expecting how many tourists?

 

Absolutley wonderful news seeing as I booked my flights for March this afternoon.

Edited February 14, 2022 by KhaoYai

[ukrules]

It's going to be an entertaining week or two coming our way....????

[RichardColeman]

Thailand appears to be building their own version of the Berlin wall with lunacy

[KhaoYai]

1 hour ago, Lorry said:

This is a new requirement as described in the thread "Warning:...", see attached screenshot from tp.consular.go.th.

OP, how far in to the registration process is the item you are quoting? I've been part way and can't find it.  I am talking with a TAT representative at the moment and they are trying to say that the close contact insurance is for Thai people.  Somehow I doubt that.

 

Edit: Forget that, I've just seen, its actually on the first page before you actually enter the application process. Nothing to do with Thai people.

Edited February 14, 2022 by KhaoYai

[KhaoYai]

I gave up trying to understand the Thai authorities in any shape or form many years ago but since Covid struck, they have me completely baffled.

 

The OP doesn't show the title for the insurance matter but its 'Recommended Medical Insurance for Thailand Pass Registration'.  It then goes on to say 'While staying in Thailand, your insurance Must cover Covid 19 related cost as below'.

 

Recommended and Must in this context simply don't go together.  If they are trying to 'Recommend' the Thai insurers, I believe it was reported on this forum that Thai insurers will not have to pay out for for isolation and close contact isolation on Thai policies as of tomorrow?

[Willy Wombat]

Vietnam about to open up without restrictions and Thailand keeps shooting their own feet

[Tony M]

And the requirement for the insurance, stating that it must cover the entire duration of yout stay in Thailand is, again, a contradiction of many of the posts in this forum that 30 days insurance cover is fine for long term extension of stay holders. Has this ever been "clarified" by anyone ?

[KhaoYai]

Why is it that its OK to quarantine in a hotel when you first arrive and are waiting for your PCR test result - but even if that result is negative, if its discovered that you've been in close contact with a positive case, you are carted off to a 'hospitel'. Why can't you stay at the hotel? Why are you suddenly more dangerous than you were when you arrived?

 

I read in the news last week that in some areas of the UK, as many as 1 in 20 people have the virus now (many are asymptomatic).  Given that figure, there's pretty high chance that 15 to 20 people on your flight are carrying the virus and there's no social distancing on aircraft.

 

Has anyone told Prayuth/Anutin that Omicron is already spreading rapidly across the Thai population? Or have their 'Top of the Game' doctors found some mysterious way of stopping it spreading - something that every other country has found impossible? Some, including the UK have simply given up on trying to stop it and as its proving much less harmful to fully vaccinated people, removed virtually all restrictions.

 

Cases will rise whether there are tourists or not but as we have seen here, they peak and then start to fall - hopefully the virus is now starting to burn itself out. The problem for Thailand is that its the tourist industry that's burning out.

 

Prayuth's speech about 'learning to live with the virus' was much the same as everything else he says, total rubbish - just words.

[KhaoYai]

37 minutes ago, Tony M said:

Has this ever been "clarified" by anyone ?

You won't ever get any clarification on anything.  I've had a number of concerns over the last few months and have taken them up with the TAT. Although they always reply (rare for a Thai Government Body) they usually refer me to the government contact centre when its anything serious.  I've done that twice now and as expected, not received any replies. Complete waste of time, why would the mighty Thai government want to listen to a mere 'foreign tourist' about tourist matters?

 

I've pointed out to the TAT that they are in a far better position than I am to be able to contact the government only to be met with silence.  That's part of the problem, you have idiots making the rules and those around them. who may be able to see the mistakes and pitfalls, say nothing - because of course, in Thai culture, you don't question those above you, you simply stay shtum and eat s$7t.

 

Not that my own government is any different mind you.

Edited February 14, 2022 by KhaoYai

[spidermike007]

Just more sabotage, and what feels like a deliberate attempt to slaughter the Golden Goose. It has to be deliberate. You could not destroy a vital industry more efdectively, if you were genuinely were trying. Why? Think purification and deliberate destruction of the nightlife and sex industry. 

 

What other explanation makes sense? Covid stopped being an excuse long ago. 

 

[ubonjoe]

They  have updated the Thailand Pass site. https://tp.consular.go.th/

It now has this on it. Purchase Now takes you to this site. https://tqm-app.com/static/thailandpass/index.html

The TGIA site still has covid 19 insurance on it as well. https://covid19.tgia.org/

[Caldera]

This is quite a fecal matter show. You're required to buy insurance, but the insurance company isn't required to pay if you're isolated without medical necessity. 

[clivebaxter]

53 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

They  have updated the Thailand Pass site. https://tp.consular.go.th/

It now has this on it. Purchase Now takes you to this site. https://tqm-app.com/static/thailandpass/index.html

The TGIA site still has covid 19 insurance on it as well. https://covid19.tgia.org/

These official links seem to only offer insurance in 30 day periods. If you wanted to follow the rules and get cover for say 32 days you would have to over buy at 60 days. Go to broker sites and they offer the same cover for the number of days you actually need.

[Robin]

Reading this, it is very difficult not to see it as a Government approved scam to get money from anyone who is visiting Thailand.  

Could it possibly be that some n the Gov. do not want any tourists or visitors to Thailand?

Could it also be that Covid is being used as an excuse to shut down the Tourist industry that has been orientated towards the lower end and the sex-for-sale/ bar scene.?

Will this latest vague nonsense encourage the millions of "High Quality" tourists that Thailand dreams of?  Seems that every tourist now has to be prepared to spend at least $1000 a day

Does the term "Cloud Cuckoo Land" come to mind?

[Havenstreet1940]

2 hours ago, Tony M said:

And the requirement for the insurance, stating that it must cover the entire duration of yout stay in Thailand is, again, a contradiction of many of the posts in this forum that 30 days insurance cover is fine for long term extension of stay holders. Has this ever been "clarified" by anyone ?

I recall that back in November Richard Barrow met with the top brass of theThai MFA and was told that insurance coverage for around 30 days would be sufficient. Maybe they were referring to tourists as they never refer to 'retirees'   Can Richard Barrow confirmordeny this to put the matter to rest please?

[ubonjoe]

2 hours ago, Tony M said:

And the requirement for the insurance, stating that it must cover the entire duration of yout stay in Thailand is, again, a contradiction of many of the posts in this forum that 30 days insurance cover is fine for long term extension of stay holders. Has this ever been "clarified" by anyone ?

They have been accepting 30 days and many have entered with only 30 days.

When you register on the Thai Pass site if you select returning to Thailand the departure date goes away.

 

[DrJack54]

Perhaps little off topic as not directly related to Thailand Pass however from reading threads it seems many folks are arriving visa exempt. 

A USA couple I met arrive VE and had 30 day insurance.

Since then have obtained a 30 day extension and currently on covid extension. 

The wife contracted covid and in quarantine in hotel.

The husband in separate room and testing every day.

Different story for those of us that live in Thailand as we can isolate in our own place be that rented or owned. 

Someone posted earlier that travel to Thailand currently as a tourist is crazy. I tend to agree. 

Message of USA couple attached.

perhaps of interest to some tourists. 

[Lorry]

1 hour ago, ubonjoe said:

They  have updated the Thailand Pass site. https://tp.consular.go.th/

It now has this on it. Purchase Now takes you to this site. https://tqm-app.com/static/thailandpass/index.html

The TGIA site still has covid 19 insurance on it as well. https://covid19.tgia.org/

Since when is this change?

 

I know a guy who entered Thailand on 3rd Feb, his insurance certificate states "costs in connection with measures ordered by the authorities (e.g. quarantine...) ... for purely preventive reasons (no symptoms) ... are not covered."

It is the last sentence of 2 pages of legalese. And maybe it was possible to enter on 3rd Feb.

 

If they are serious about it no Europeans can enter anymore.

Has anybody been refused entry or refused the Thailandpass?

 

[Lorry]

1 hour ago, ubonjoe said:

They  have updated the Thailand Pass site. https://tp.consular.go.th/

It now has this on it. Purchase Now takes you to this site. https://tqm-app.com/static/thailandpass/index.html

The TGIA site still has covid 19 insurance on it as well. https://covid19.tgia.org/

You can buy AXA for 180 days there.  Very expensive (18000),  outside Thailand AXZ sells the 365 days policy for less (about 15000).

AXA does not cover quarantine etc, see the other thread "Warning:..."

[ubonjoe]

4 minutes ago, Lorry said:

Since when is this change?

Apparently it was put on the Thailand Pass homepage yesterday. Note that it states recommended insurance.

 

4 minutes ago, Lorry said:

If they are serious about it no Europeans can enter anymore.

Why?

if you use one of the suggested companies your coverage will meet the requirements.

[Lorry]

5 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

Apparently it was put on the Thailand Pass homepage yesterday. Note that it states recommended insurance.

 

Why?

if you use one of the suggested companies your coverage will meet the requirements.

Most Europeans have travel insurance all year round and don't buy one for this trip.

I am waiting for the first person with Allianz or Europeiske being refused. 

 

 They probably accept Thai AXA, even as I wrote, Thai  AXA does NOT cover.

So additionally to one's real health insurance from overseas one has to buy one of their useless Thai insurances, I see.

 

 

Edited February 14, 2022 by Lorry

[stubuzz]

1 hour ago, ubonjoe said:

They  have updated the Thailand Pass site. https://tp.consular.go.th/

It now has this on it. Purchase Now takes you to this site. https://tqm-app.com/static/thailandpass/index.html

Eligibility

1. Age between 1 - 85 years old

2. This insurance policy does not cover who infected or suspected of being infected "Coronavirus (Covid-19)" (including complications) that exist before 

 

#2 The recommended Covid cover doesn't cover you??

[ubonjoe]

6 minutes ago, stubuzz said:

#2 The recommended Covid cover doesn't cover you??

Hospital isolation would seldom be needed. If in the hospital you would have symptoms and be treated for it.

You can do the isolation in a accepted hotel or at you own home if you have one.

 

[RafPinto]

1 hour ago, ubonjoe said:

They  have updated the Thailand Pass site. https://tp.consular.go.th/

It now has this on it. Purchase Now takes you to this site. https://tqm-app.com/static/thailandpass/index.html

The TGIA site still has covid 19 insurance on it as well. https://covid19.tgia.org/

Your insurance policy must be valid for the entire duration of your stay in Thailand.

How does that work if you live here and need to go, let's say for a few weeks abroad and come back to Thailand?

[Polar Bear]

I had to make a reapplication for a Thai Pass on Feb 9th, and this requirement and the advert were there then. However, I made the application with Luma insurance, which doesn't cover close contacts, and it was approved.

[ubonjoe]

9 minutes ago, RafPinto said:

Your insurance policy must be valid for the entire duration of your stay in Thailand.
How does that work if you live here and need to go, let's say for a few weeks abroad and come back to Thailand?

Duration of stay is mostly meant to be for those that do not live here.

You can get a Thailand Pass with 30 days of the insurance. Immigration does not check to see if you have insurance for your stay when they stamp into the country.

If you make a short trip out of the country you would only need 30 days of insurance.