Are we now feeling the effects of Ukraine's situation in Asia?

[metisdead]

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[ThailandRyan]

3 hours ago, John Drake said:

Today of all days.   

 

Humanitarian airlifts?

[NanaSomchai]

3 hours ago, John Drake said:

And, now, today, Putin is leading with his left jab in Ukraine, while China prepares the right hook for Taiwan.

That is both factual and correct.

 

Timing is of the essence.

 

This is an OFFICIAL statement issued two hours ago on official Twitter account of the Chinese Embassy in France, look at the link, click on it, it has a certified badge:

 

 

The translation reads:

 

"With the joint efforts of compatriots across the Taiwan Strait, China's national reunification should and will certainly be achieved, said a spokesperson for the Taiwan Affairs Office of the State Council."

 

Also China has refused to declare Putin's action as a "crime of war", the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs only stated they were "monitoring closely the situation", they deliberately refused/declined to condemn Putin's acts of war.

 

In my opinion Beijing and the CCP are monitoring the situation in order to evaluate how the NATO/EU/USA/Commonwealth are reacting to Putin's action, once they realise it's nothing but bark and no bite, they'll march onto Taiwan to do essentially the same.

 

While the US has again rebuked the idea of sending troops in Ukraine itself because let's face it; Ukraine has very little value to the US, there is very little in it for the yankees, with the Chinese invasion of Taiwan (which has greater value to the US and the rest of the World, think: technology, semiconductors, etc) it will be a different story; this will force the US to send troops to Taiwan and escalate into a military conflict.

 

This is how World War III could begin, this would engulf the World in its entirety into WW3.

 

Again, timing is of the essence.

 

Edited February 24, 2022 by NanaSomchai

[KhaoYai]

2 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Unfortunately that is the reality. Under NATO Article 5, the alliance's military might will come to member country aid if attacked. Ukraine is not a member and NATO hands are tied militarily and only have to resort to sanctions. I fear NATO and US will abandon Ukraine to fight on their own albeit helping out with military hardwares. Putin has calculated such a NATO/US dilemma to launch an invasion. 

Yes, Ukraine is not a member but is there anything in NATO's constitution that prevents them from helping a non-member?

 

Like you I fear that in the immediate short term they will be left to fight alone whilst other nation's leaders and world groups continually make speeches condemning Russia actions and telling us what we already know.

 

The UN - as usual just a talking shop

 

Nato - holding a summit tomorrow, Putin could be having dinner in Kiev by then.

 

EU - talk

 

Thailand - silent, as they were on Burma

 

Johnson - talk

 

All I've heard for the last month is talk, condemnations, threats of sanctions....... etc. etc. etc. Pointless, repetitive dribble. Putin laughs at sanctions, he's already done a deal with China.

 

Unlike you, I think that Western nations will be forced to intervene at some point but if that's not in the next 2 days, it will be too late.

 

Putin says the Ukranian people will be free to choose who runs the country after his attack - yes, as long as its one of his puppets like the one in Belarus.  His ultimate aim is the re-unification of all the former Soviet states - his excuse about Ukraine's potential NATO membership and therefore a NATO member on his border is just rubbish.  If he takes Ukraine, as looks likley, he will immediately have several NATO members on his borders.

 

The West seems to be a shadow of its former self - I understand the reluctance to get involved with something that could become a World War - a Nuclear World War but what's the alternative? Let Russia (and China next) run amock and take whatever they want?

 

Whoever decided that it would be a good idea to buy gas supplies from Putin as a way of planning energy policy for the next few decades? They need putting in a lunatic asylum. Now, the world has to face massive price increases and possibly severe supply shortages and why? Because they got into bed with a crazy megalomaniac.

Edited February 24, 2022 by KhaoYai

[aussiexpat]

Are the Russians in Pattaya/Jomtien now staying home? I can imagine how it would be to go out when the entire World (other than China) seems against them...

[sanuk711]

6 minutes ago, aussiexpat said:

Are the Russians in Pattaya/Jomtien now staying home? I can imagine how it would be to go out when the entire World (other than China) seems against them...

I dont think the Thai's have any problem with them......

In fact In a recent survey, 94% of Thai's were unable to locate Ukraine on a map.

 

When he heard this, Vladimir Putin said, "That’s easy — it’s in Russia now."..............................

[aussiexpat]

5 minutes ago, sanuk711 said:

I dont think the Thai's have any problem with them......

I wasn't talking about Thai's, I was thinking Russians might want to avoid every other expat/tourist here, especially if they were to run into someone from Ukraine?

 

Edited February 24, 2022 by aussiexpat

[ivor bigun]

petrol has gone up in price .

[candide]

On 2/22/2022 at 10:59 PM, ExpatOilWorker said:

I think you are right, China play a big part in what is happening in Ukraine right now.

Putin and Xi have been in close contact and met in person at the Olympic opening.

The potential to have 3 nuclear powers (5 if you include France and the UK) in direct confrontation is real.

The Doomsday Clock is 100 seconds to midnight, enjoy every second. 

The Chinese government is not stupid. China has absolutely no interest in getting involved in it.

 

When it's outside their strategic zone (i.e. Taiwan and SCS), they are only interested in making business.The economic significance of Russia for China is peanuts compared to Nato countries. On top of it, they need to protect the investments they have started to make in the EU according to the Belt and Road strategy.

[ivor bigun]

11 minutes ago, aussiexpat said:

I wasn't talking about Thai's, I was thinking Russians might want to avoid every other expat/tourist here, especially if they were to run into someone from Ukraine?

 

talking to a Russian today he says Putin is a nut case . most dont agree with him .

[Daithi85]

29 minutes ago, aussiexpat said:

Are the Russians in Pattaya/Jomtien now staying home? I can imagine how it would be to go out when the entire World (other than China) seems against them...

Why would  they? They havent done anything to anyone. Not their fault this is happening. 

[DaveE13]

39 minutes ago, aussiexpat said:

I wasn't talking about Thai's, I was thinking Russians might want to avoid every other expat/tourist here, especially if they were to run into someone from Ukraine?

 

I suppose they can always deny they are Russian and say they are Lithuanian or Estonian

[Saanim]

49 minutes ago, Daithi85 said:

Why would  they? They havent done anything to anyone. Not their fault this is happening. 

Same as when other countries have been waging wars...

[daveAustin]

1 hour ago, KhaoYai said:

The UN - as usual just a talking shop

 

Nato - holding a summit tomorrow, Putin could be having dinner in Kiev by then.

 

EU - talk

 

Thailand - silent, as they were on Burma

 

Johnson - talk

UK has sent hardware and is also training their troops. SAS are near a western city. 

[Pmbkk]

1 hour ago, aussiexpat said:

Are the Russians in Pattaya/Jomtien now staying home? I can imagine how it would be to go out when the entire World (other than China) seems against them...

 

The Chinese embassy told the Chinese in the Ukraine to show a Chinese flag on their cars etc..

[aussiexpat]

1 hour ago, Daithi85 said:

Why would  they? They havent done anything to anyone. Not their fault this is happening. 

Sorry, but if a country attacks another country when unprovoked, you don't all of a sudden not be part of that country

[Saanim]

22 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Even putin's Intel Chief is looking askance at the little guy. The comment putin made about 'de-Nazifying' Ukraine---a nation at peace and run by a Jewish former comedian---is simply bizarre.

You really should learn more about history. Also to know that the Ukrainers have been now increasingly worshipping a Nazi general Stepan Bandera, even with the govt support.  Long after WW2 the remaining followers of Bandera army - who did not succeed to get surrendered to Americans - had terrorized Eastern European villages.

 

And the followers today are incorporated in Azov Batalion, lately recognized by the democratic govt of Ukraine.

 

 

    

 

   

[Virt]

27 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

 

According to folks on the ground, russia has already lost a few aircraft and a number of tanks have been destroyed. When the body bags head back home, support of the people may decline.

Most of the Russians will never know the truth, and many won't believe what is published in the western media.

Both the west and Russia has their part of propaganda, but Russia just takes it a step further.

They are on par with China and North Korea , when it comes to government controlled propaganda. 

 

Russia will lose a lot less soldiers in this war, compared to what covid did (340.000 deaths), 

so the body bags probably won't be the thing that make him lose support in Russia.

 

Money on the other hand....

Make his inner circle lose all their money and ban them and their families from worldwide travelling

and we might have a situation, where a coup can be staged.

[garyk]

I would not doubt if we see China start their push pretty soon. China will play a wait and see game, on how it goes in the Ukraine.

[Hummin]

1 hour ago, aussiexpat said:

I wasn't talking about Thai's, I was thinking Russians might want to avoid every other expat/tourist here, especially if they were to run into someone from Ukraine?

 

Russians really do not mix much with other foreigners in thailand

[Saanim]

6 minutes ago, Virt said:

Most of the Russians will never know the truth, and many won't believe what is published in the western media.

Both the west and Russia has their part of propaganda, but Russia just takes it a step further.

They are on par with China and North Korea , when it comes to government controlled propaganda. 

Would you care to disclose the sources you get the knowledge about these circumstances?  

[Jingthing]

4 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Russians really do not mix much with other foreigners in thailand

True dat.

[garyk]

It will be interesting to see how the expats in the Ukraine that did not get out in time fair. I would bet there a many thousands that stayed with their wives and GF's and buried their head in the sand.  

[Virt]

9 minutes ago, Saanim said:

Would you care to disclose the sources you get the knowledge about these circumstances?  

Are you questioning that Russia has a well oiled government controlled propaganda machine?

If so Putin are doing a great job.... 

 

I suppose you have seen some Russian news lately?

It's not like they are broadcasting the same things as most of us see here in the west.

 

The vast majority of Russians has access to the internet,

but the question is how much do they use it to search other news channels to fact check their own news channels.

My guess is not a lot, but it's just a guess.

 

Both sides publish propaganda, but i tend to trust the western news a bit more.

Does that mean i trust the western politicians/news no matter what?

 

Hell no.

[Seppius]

The least Thailand can do is put a hold on Russian tourists, makes no sense to welcome them here while this is going on. It will ultimately be up to Russian population to kick out Putin, if they support him, they don't deserve nice holidays and western lifestyle

[ozimoron]

5 minutes ago, Seppius said:

The least Thailand can do is put a hold on Russian tourists, makes no sense to welcome them here while this is going on. It will ultimately be up to Russian population to kick out Putin, if they support him, they don't deserve nice holidays and western lifestyle

They won't have to, the rouble is tanking right now.

 

https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=RUB&to=USD

Edited February 24, 2022 by ozimoron

[baboon]

5 hours ago, Daithi85 said:

Why would  they? They havent done anything to anyone. Not their fault this is happening. 

Well said. We cannot change geopolitical events but to simply hate and go after others because of their passport makes us just as evil as Putin or any other despot. It's what these bast&rds want. Don't give it to them.

[jerrymahoney]

Stocks and Energy Markets Whipsaw After Russian Attack on Ukraine
Stocks in Europe were sharply lower, but the S&P 500 rebounded after an early decline. Energy markets swung wildly, and shares in Moscow collapsed.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/24/business/economy/stock-market-today.html
Feb. 24, 2022
Updated 4:31 p.m. ET (meaning 4:31 AM 25 FEB Bangkok time)

 

Edited February 24, 2022 by jerrymahoney

[NanaSomchai]

6 hours ago, garyk said:

I would not doubt if we see China start their push pretty soon. China will play a wait and see game, on how it goes in the Ukraine.

Precisely the Chinese are watching the watchers. Once they are assured the EU/NATO/USA/other nations are "all bark, no bite" nothing will stop or prevent the Chinese to do the same thing and annex Taiwan.

 

Also for what it's worth, many of you have forgotten what Turkey has done with the Turkish Invasion of Cyprus back in 1974, nowadays Erdogan controls "only" the half northern part of Cyprus, even according to Wikipedia, the "victorious" side would be Turkey.

 

Don't think for one single second that the little dictator Erdogan has no desires of annexing and expanding his "empire" on what's left of Cyprus and conquer it all.

 

Sure, Cyprus is in the European Union and Turkey is a member of NATO but if history has taught us a lesson today; well, for once you should never trust the words of a dictator (and mark my words clearly; Erdogan just like Putin is a dictator no doubt) and two, a dictator will always put his own interests first (or the interests of his nation) no matter what the cost, the implications or the losses may be.

 

Erdogan is playing all nice and friendly today telling Putin he doesn't agree with his move over Ukraine, but that is just a display, an exhibition, a parade.

 

Who knows what's going on on his mind? As for Xi Ping the CCP master, he's enjoying his mojito watching the sunset tonight with a very big smile on his face.

 

EU? NATO? USA? All bark, no bite.

[jerrymahoney]

6 hours ago, garyk said:

I would not doubt if we see China start their push pretty soon. China will play a wait and see game, on how it goes in the Ukraine.

If Donald Trump says so then it must be true.

 

Donald Trump: 'China's going to be next,' will ‘absolutely’ invade Taiwan following Russia-Ukraine crisis

Jane Nam
Thu, February 24, 2022, 6:25 AM

https://news.yahoo.com/donald-trump-chinas-going-next-232516191.html