Assault on Kiev: Russian helicopters swoop above Ukraine's capital

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, Jingthing said:

I can't take your comments seriously.

Up to you.

[Bkk Brian]

13 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Reported on Al Jazeera today that Putin wants the gas and oil paid for in roubles or he turns off the taps. I'll make a wild guess and say that European countries that depend on Russian energy will pay up.

Also on Al Jazeera that Germany can't transition away from Russian energy as it doesn't have the infrastructure to do so and won't till 2024.

Seems they didn't consider how being dependent on Russia might not be a good idea.

That was reported on the 23rd March that he wanted unfriendly countries to pay in rubles by 1st April. Europe rejected those demands.

 

He already backed down on that and has given more time. No word from him yet since..................

Edited April 10, 2022 by Bkk Brian

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46 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

??????????????? Is he in the front lines?

I have no idea how one can be brave if not in the line of fire.

Like most leaders he seems to be leading from miles and miles behind the lines, but perhaps you can inform me how many tanks he has destroyed, and how many Russians he's killed if that's wrong.

It's a good thing for Zelenskyy that Russian missiles couldn't reach Kyiv. Otherwise he'd be in big trouble...oh wait a minute.

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40 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Reported on Al Jazeera today that Putin wants the gas and oil paid for in roubles or he turns off the taps. I'll make a wild guess and say that European countries that depend on Russian energy will pay up.

Also on Al Jazeera that Germany can't transition away from Russian energy as it doesn't have the infrastructure to do so and won't till 2024.

Seems they didn't consider how being dependent on Russia might not be a good idea.

Preparing for the first winter without Russian gas

The European Union can manage without Russian gas next winter, but must be united in taking difficult decisions, accepting that in many cases it won’t have enough time for perfect solutions.

https://www.bruegel.org/2022/02/preparing-for-the-first-winter-without-russian-gas/

[Chris.B]

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Preparing for the first winter without Russian gas

The European Union can manage without Russian gas next winter, but must be united in taking difficult decisions, accepting that in many cases it won’t have enough time for perfect solutions.

https://www.bruegel.org/2022/02/preparing-for-the-first-winter-without-russian-gas/

They were warned by the USA and UK not to become dependant on Russian energy and they choose to ignore those warnings.

 

Boris Johnson Warns Gas Pipeline From Russia Puts Stability at Risk  

 

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Just now, Chris.B said:

They were warned by the USA and UK not to become dependant on Russian energy and they choose to ignore those warnings.

 

Boris Johnson Warns Gas Pipeline From Russia Puts Stability at Risk  

 

Absolutely. It was truly benighted behavior. Bad enough to depend on one pipeline, but then to support building another?

‘Mistake’ not to object to Nord Stream 2, says German president
Frank-Walter Steinmeier admits Germany ‘failed with the approach of including Russia in a common security architecture.’

https://www.politico.eu/article/german-president-admits-having-been-mistaken-on-nord-stream-2/

[Chomper Higgot]

8 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

Yes just what Putin wanted.

Once again you speak as if you know Putin’s mind.

 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

??????????????? Is he in the front lines?

I have no idea how one can be brave if not in the line of fire.

Like most leaders he seems to be leading from miles and miles behind the lines, but perhaps you can inform me how many tanks he has destroyed, and how many Russians he's killed if that's wrong.

Have a word with yourself.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/26/europe/ukraine-zelensky-evacuation-intl/index.html

Edited April 10, 2022 by Chomper Higgot

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, Chris.B said:

They were warned by the USA and UK not to become dependant on Russian energy and they choose to ignore those warnings.

 

Boris Johnson Warns Gas Pipeline From Russia Puts Stability at Risk  

 

The warnings go back to the Regan Presidency.

 

I worked on engineering designs for the gas compression control scheme, the company I worked for was subject to US Government sanctions for having taken the contract. But it was the 80’s and the choice was, take the contract or go bust.

[Chris.B]

6 hours ago, Chris.B said:

Well done Boris! 

 

Boris in Kiev

 

another video....

 

Good man is Boris.

 

Daily Express

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

53 minutes ago, Chris.B said:

another video....

 

Good man is Boris.

 

Daily Express

 

 

Well he knows a photo opportunity when he sees one.

 

Has he done his ‘Fight them on the beaches’ pastiche yet?

 

Rest assured, it’s coming.

[Mac Mickmanus]

6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Well he knows a photo opportunity when he sees one.

 

Has he done his ‘Fight them on the beaches’ pastiche yet?

 

Rest assured, it’s coming.

Are you suggesting that Boris went to the Ukraine just to get his photos in the media >

[Chomper Higgot]

8 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Are you suggesting that Boris went to the Ukraine just to get his photos in the media >

Erm, yes.

[Mac Mickmanus]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Erm, yes.

And if Keir Starmer decided to go to Ukraine and the media reported on his trip , why do you think that he would be going there for ?

[Chomper Higgot]

27 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

And if Keir Starmer decided to go to Ukraine and the media reported on his trip , why do you think that he would be going there for ?

Is that a hypothetical trip you are referring to?

[Mac Mickmanus]

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Is that a hypothetical trip you are referring to?

Yes (as far as I am aware)

[JetsetBkk]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Well he knows a photo opportunity when he sees one.

As does von der Leyen.  ????

[farmerjo]

2 minutes ago, JetsetBkk said:

As does von der Leyen.  ????

She's a nobody.

Boris had a notepad under his arm.

Prices and terms of conditions of arms to supply to the united kingdom of ukraine?

[Bkk Brian]

10 minutes ago, farmerjo said:

She's a nobody.

Boris had a notepad under his arm.

Prices and terms of conditions of arms to supply to the united kingdom of ukraine?

Oh she had more than a notepad....................

 

Ursula von der Leyen fastracks Kyiv’s EU membership

 

Ms von der Leyen indicated Ukraine was being given preferential treatment as she admitted this process is usually “a matter of years” but on this occasion was “I think a matter of weeks”.

 

She also indicated Ukrainian EU membership was a formality and confidently predicted Russia will face economic ruin.

[farmerjo]

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Oh she had more than a notepad....................

 

Ursula von der Leyen fastracks Kyiv’s EU membership

 

Ms von der Leyen indicated Ukraine was being given preferential treatment as she admitted this process is usually “a matter of years” but on this occasion was “I think a matter of weeks”.

 

She also indicated Ukrainian EU membership was a formality and confidently predicted Russia will face economic ruin.

I look forward to the announcement.

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, farmerjo said:

I look forward to the announcement.

Zelensky and the people of Ukraine will be looking forward to it far more I'm sure. Not sure about Putin though.......????

[Chris.B]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Well he knows a photo opportunity when he sees one.

 

Has he done his ‘Fight them on the beaches’ pastiche yet?

 

Rest assured, it’s coming.

Bit of a cynical and predictable comment. ☹️ There you are in your armchair critizing someone who is risking his life in the middle of a war zone.

 

Daily Express

 

Edited April 10, 2022 by Chris.B

[Mac Mickmanus]

6 minutes ago, Slip said:

No. That is the disinformation that your handlers tell you to promote.  That's why another shill has liked the party-line you spout already.  

OK, so what if Europe immediately stopped buying Russian gas , like stopped buying Russian gas today , where would Europe get its gas from to replace the Russian supplied gas ?

[Slip]

31 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

OK, so what if Europe immediately stopped buying Russian gas , like stopped buying Russian gas today , where would Europe get its gas from to replace the Russian supplied gas ?

Where are the civilians in Ukraine who are suffering a new holocaust getting their gas from?

[tgw]

6 hours ago, Chris.B said:

They were warned by the USA and UK not to become dependant on Russian energy and they choose to ignore those warnings.

 

Boris Johnson Warns Gas Pipeline From Russia Puts Stability at Risk 

true !

and I was one of the people who never thought that Putin would turn out to be such a piece of garbage and that Russia was on the way to become a member of the civilized world community.

how mistaken I was.

 

 

 

[tgw]

11 hours ago, Chris.B said:

No way, Russia is running out of money and spare parts for it's military equipment. Wait to he stops paying his armies because he has no money.

 

not going to happen.

Putin pays his foot soldiers in roubles, and Putin has big rouble printing machines.

his troops won't run out of roubles.

 

BUT... the other question is what will they be able to buy with their roubles.

 

certainly no holidays in Thailand.

Edited April 10, 2022 by tgw

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 hour ago, Slip said:

Where are the civilians in Ukraine who are suffering a new holocaust getting their gas from?

I have no idea. Why is it relevant ?

[heybruce]

12 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

??????????????? Is he in the front lines?

I have no idea how one can be brave if not in the line of fire.

Like most leaders he seems to be leading from miles and miles behind the lines, but perhaps you can inform me how many tanks he has destroyed, and how many Russians he's killed if that's wrong.

Kyiv was expected to fall within days, if not hours, of Russia's invasion.  If captured Zelensky and his family would have been prisoners of Russia and executed if Putin found that convenient.  Zelensky refused a US offer for safe evacuation.

 

"Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has turned down an offer from the United States of evacuation from the capital city Kyiv, the Ukraine embassy in Britain said Saturday on Twitter.

"The fight is here; I need ammunition, not a ride," Zelensky told the US, according to the embassy."  https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/26/europe/ukraine-zelensky-evacuation-intl/index.html

[heybruce]

5 hours ago, tgw said:

yes, it needs to, but it will be able to do so only in some months.

 

Europe is not even equipped to handle the needed volume as of yet, that's why Germany has started to build 2 gas terminals for gas tanker ships.

Unfortunately it takes years to build the facilities for receiving and processing liquefied natural gas.  However once built Europe will never again be dependent upon Russia for energy supplies.  That means Putin will have destroyed Russia's greatest economic and military lever on Europe.  Russia will become more of a second rate power hopelessly dependent on China.  I'm sure China loves this.

[thaibeachlovers]

7 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Oh she had more than a notepad....................

 

Ursula von der Leyen fastracks Kyiv’s EU membership

 

Ms von der Leyen indicated Ukraine was being given preferential treatment as she admitted this process is usually “a matter of years” but on this occasion was “I think a matter of weeks”.

 

She also indicated Ukrainian EU membership was a formality and confidently predicted Russia will face economic ruin.

Fast track for a nation in the midst of war, so presumably the EU would need to become militarily engaged- what could possibly go wrong with that?

As the EU is in NATO then the US would probably have to become involved- what could possibly go wrong with that?

This isn't sleepwalking to WW3 IMO, it's running full tilt into it.

 

Never mind, I'm sure Ms von der Leyen has a spot in a nuclear shelter for when it does all go wrong.