Assault on Kiev: Russian helicopters swoop above Ukraine's capital

[Jingthing]

2 hours ago, Virt said:

About the weapon supplies.

It's funny that Russia are now complaining that US and other countries supply Ukraine with weapons.

 

Didn't Soviet supply Vietnam with missiles to shoot down US planes during that war?

 

Didn't Soviet supply fighter pilots to fly MiGs in the Korean war.

 

I think Russia should shut the <deleted> off and just retreat from a country that is not theirs and hopefully never will be.

Putin needs some kind of victory narrative or he's personally Russian toast. 

[2 is 1]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Not necessary.

 

Supplying Ukrainian with anti ship missiles will force Russia to withdraw its aging fleet to a ‘safe’ distance.

Already, rest ships escape 300 kilometers away. That Moscow ship was so idiot, it run same route every day until chance to come sub! Now hole fleet is whitout main carrier whitch had air defence.

 

Come russian kitty kat come!

 

[Bkk Brian]

Mariupol's last stand..................

 

 

Surrounded by Russians, commander describes life inside Mariupol plant

 

In his most extensive comments to Western media, Maj. Serhiy Volyna of the 36th Separate Marine Brigade, whose forces have been holding out in the Azovstal Iron and Steel Works against a Russian force that vastly outnumbers them, told The Washington Post that his soldiers would continue “to conduct combat operations and to complete our military tasks as long as we receive them.”

 

“We will not lay down our weapons,” Volyna said.

 

Speaking over a crackling connection made possible by satellite, he said his forces would not repeat the mistake made by others of trusting Russian guarantees of safe passage, only to see the Russians break their word and open fire.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/04/19/ukraine-mariupol-serhiy-volyna-azovstal-factory/

 

 

Despair in Mariupol’s last stronghold: ‘They’re bombing us with everything’

 

With ammunition and supplies sparse, the men who were interviewed said they were carrying on the fight and refusing to acquiesce to the Kremlin’s demand’s for capitulation. But they acknowledged that they were running out of time and increasingly found it difficult to leave the protection of their shelter because of the heavy bombing.

“We are putting up a difficult fight with the enemy, protecting our country and our people and our culture, our right to self-determination,” another soldier who gave his name as Kostya said, even as he acknowledged they had little to fight with.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/19/world/europe/mariupol-azovstal-steel-plant.html

[RJRS1301]

An adviser to Ukraine’s president has alleged that Ukrainian soldiers in the eastern city of Izyum were attacked with a chemical substance, according to the Ostrov news agency.

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/4/19/west-to-tighten-sanctions-as-russia-hammers-eastern-ukraine-liveblog

[Meat Pie 47]

6 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I was replying to a poster who thought that Facebook was banned in Russia and I corrected him and told him that Facebook was banned in China (and not Russia) , so it was indeed on-topic

   Once again, had you read all the thread instead of just the last page , you would have know that .

Would you like me to give you the highlights of what people have posted since you last logged on ?

And yes Facebook is banned in Russia since the invasion of the Ukrain

[Bkk Brian]

Ukrainian volunteers recount three weeks in Russian captivity, allege beatings

 

Both said they were then held with around 40 other captives on the concrete floor of a nearby factory, their hands bound. Nearly a week later they were transferred in a military truck to Belarus, and on to detention centres in Russia, they said.

 

The Ukrainian Red Cross confirmed they were both volunteers. 

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-volunteers-recount-three-weeks-russian-captivity-allege-beatings-2022-04-19/

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[Bkk Brian]

Foreign fighters: Russia has deployed between 10,000 and 20,000 foreign fighters from Syria and Libya into the Donbas region in addition to Wagner Group mercenaries. All of them will fight as infantry, the official said, as they don’t operate heavy weapons.

 

Low morale vs. high morale: The morale of Russian forces remains low despite the new phase, the official said, because troops “don't like the idea of killing people who speak Russian.” 

 

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/national-security-daily/2022/04/19/worse-than-bucha-00026326

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[Chris.B]

10 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Foreign fighters: Russia has deployed between 10,000 and 20,000 foreign fighters from Syria and Libya into the Donbas region in addition to Wagner Group mercenaries. All of them will fight as infantry, the official said, as they don’t operate heavy weapons.

 

These foreign fighters, Wagner Group and Chechens should all be declared mercenaries and, if caught, court-martialed and executed by firing squad. No rights under the Geneva Convention.

 

 

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Foreign fighters: Russia has deployed between 10,000 and 20,000 foreign fighters from Syria and Libya into the Donbas region in addition to Wagner Group mercenaries. All of them will fight as infantry, the official said, as they don’t operate heavy weapons.

 

Low morale vs. high morale: The morale of Russian forces remains low despite the new phase, the official said, because troops “don't like the idea of killing people who speak Russian.” 

 

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/national-security-daily/2022/04/19/worse-than-bucha-00026326

By bringing other countries to fight in Ukraine on Russia's behalf, Putin is destroying his argument that other countries shouldn't fight in Ukraine on Ukraine's behalf.

[Bkk Brian]

23 minutes ago, heybruce said:

By bringing other countries to fight in Ukraine on Russia's behalf, Putin is destroying his argument that other countries shouldn't fight in Ukraine on Ukraine's behalf.

Also a perfect force for carrying out the atrocoties against civilians. They awnser to no one.

Edited April 20, 2022 by Bkk Brian

[Hellfire]

New and important article on Wikipedia about “Rashism”.

 

Rashism or Ruscism (Russian: Рашизм, tr. Rashizm) is an assertion that Russia has been transformed into a fascist country. That transformation was described as based on the ideas of the "special civilizational mission" of the Russians, such as Moscow as the third Rome and expansionism.This is also a claim widely used to identify supporters of Russian military aggression.

History of the term

The phenomenon was first described as Russism by the President of the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria Dzhokhar Dudayev, who saw the military action by Russia in Caucasus as a manifestation of the rising far-right ideology.

According to Dudayev, “Ruscism is a variety of hate ideology which is based on Great Russian chauvinism, spiritlessness and immorality. It differs from other forms of fascism, racism, and nationalism by a more extreme cruelty, both to man and to nature. It is based on the destruction of everything and everyone, the tactics of scorched earth."

 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashism

 

Edited April 20, 2022 by Hellfire

[Slip]

8 hours ago, Chris.B said:

Need to get a hunter killer, nuclear submarine into the Black Sea and wipe the Russian fleet out.

 

Hasn't one just arrived in Gibraltar?  A way to go yet, but shouldn't take too long...

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[Virt]

Seems like there still is Resistance in Mariupol.

The Russians in this video probably wish they didn't enter the city.

If they are alive to tell the story....

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D6HZIB3hGhvc&ved=2ahUKEwig7uaT16L3AhVKs4sKHUF3B48QwqsBegQIAhAE&usg=AOvVaw0X38MAPYeIZ41ophxmEyG0

[Mac Mickmanus]

7 hours ago, Meat Pie 47 said:

And yes Facebook is banned in Russia since the invasion of the Ukrain

Yes ,  that was established in the discussion 

[Mac Mickmanus]

6 hours ago, heybruce said:

By bringing other countries to fight in Ukraine on Russia's behalf, Putin is destroying his argument that other countries shouldn't fight in Ukraine on Ukraine's behalf.

They are two very different situations . 

Countries getting involved is one thing , like Countries sending their armies .

Individuals going to join the Russian Army is a different thing . 

Mercenaries joining an already participating army is one thing and another Country joining in is a very different thing .

   Its another one of those things that is quite difficult to explain the difference .

But say, the U.K sending its army to fight is one thing , John from the U.K going to fight in Ukraine of his own accord is another thing .

   Yes, John is still going to Ukraine, but they are two very different situations 

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5 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

They are two very different situations . 

Countries getting involved is one thing , like Countries sending their armies .

Individuals going to join the Russian Army is a different thing . 

Mercenaries joining an already participating army is one thing and another Country joining in is a very different thing .

   Its another one of those things that is quite difficult to explain the difference .

But say, the U.K sending its army to fight is one thing , John from the U.K going to fight in Ukraine of his own accord is another thing .

   Yes, John is still going to Ukraine, but they are two very different situations 

Well, Russia claims mercenaries are unlawful combatants and not entitled to the protection of the Geneva Conventions.

[Bkk Brian]

Ukrainians Are Speaking Up About Rape as a War Crime to Ensure the World Holds Russia Accountable

 

Ukraine’s human rights ombudsman, Lyudmyla Denisova said that 25 teenage girls were kept in a basement in Bucha and gang-raped; nine of them are now pregnant. Elderly women spoke on camera about beeing raped by Russian soldiers. The bodies of children were found naked with their hands tied behind their backs, their genitals mutilated. 

 

https://time.com/6168330/rape-war-crime-russia-ukraine/?

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Edited as per fair use policy.

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14 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

They are two very different situations . 

Countries getting involved is one thing , like Countries sending their armies .

Individuals going to join the Russian Army is a different thing . 

Mercenaries joining an already participating army is one thing and another Country joining in is a very different thing .

   Its another one of those things that is quite difficult to explain the difference .

But say, the U.K sending its army to fight is one thing , John from the U.K going to fight in Ukraine of his own accord is another thing .

   Yes, John is still going to Ukraine, but they are two very different situations 

It should also be noted that the Syrian government is recruiting from its own troops to fight for Russia in the Ukraine.

[Bkk Brian]

Graham Phillips the non human UK national who filmed the interview with captured/surrendered UK soldier Aiden Aslin. Turns out Graham works for RT news and is a known Russian mole and despicable journalist. Its also clear it was a forced interview.

 

You can still view the video on his own Youtube channel "Graham Phillips" although apparently the channel may be taken down soon.

 

Who is Graham Phillips, the ex-Whitehall civil servant now pushing Russian propaganda?

Accused of being a modern-day Lord Haw-Haw, the journalist has been pushing videos denying evidence of war crimes in Ukraine

 

He proceeded to verbally probe and prod Mr Aslin into denouncing Ukraine, recognising the breakaway Russian puppet states in the Donbas and asking for a prisoner exchange to save himself from execution.

Legal experts consulted by The Telegraph said they believe that the video was a breach of Geneva Conventions protections for PoWs and should be removed immediately by YouTube. They said that Mr Phillips could be exposing himself to a war crimes prosecution and having his citizenship removed.

 

https://web.archive.org/web/20220419210303/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/04/19/graham-phillips-journalist-civil-servant-russian-propaganda/

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Phillips_(journalist)

[Bkk Brian]

32 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Well, Russia claims mercenaries are unlawful combatants and not entitled to the protection of the Geneva Conventions.

Yes thats because running a mercenary army is against the Russian constitution, even though they clearly are running them such as the Wagner Group.

 

Wagner provides the government with a force which is deniable. Wagner can get involved abroad and the Kremlin can say: 'It has nothing to do with us'."

 

[rudi49jr]

29 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Ukrainians Are Speaking Up About Rape as a War Crime to Ensure the World Holds Russia Accountable

 

Ukraine’s human rights ombudsman, Lyudmyla Denisova said that 25 teenage girls were kept in a basement in Bucha and gang-raped; nine of them are now pregnant. Elderly women spoke on camera about beeing raped by Russian soldiers. The bodies of children were found naked with their hands tied behind their backs, their genitals mutilated. Those victims included both girls and boys, and Ukrainian men and boys have been sexually assaulted in other incidents.

 

https://time.com/6168330/rape-war-crime-russia-ukraine/?

It’s becoming increasingly clear that the Russian army, very likely following orders right from the Kremlin, have been behaving like animals in occupied territory. Indiscriminately bombing and leveling countless civilian targets like hospitals and apartment buildings, raping women and girls, torturing and executing hundreds (probably thousands?) of people; Hitler himself would have been very proud of them had they been German soldiers in WWII invading Russia. 
Never thought I’d see things like that happening again in Europe in my lifetime, but unfortunately I was very wrong. Russia has now become the evil empire that needs to be stopped, kicked back in its cage and contained forever.

[Bkk Brian]

Robert Jenrick MP accuses Russia of contravening Geneva Convention by broadcasting video of captured Brit Aiden Aslin

 

An MP has accused the Kremlin of contravening the Geneva Convention by broadcasting videos of Aiden Aslin.

Aslin was captured by Russian forces and appeared to repeat Kremlin propaganda in a series of clips.

Robert Jenrick tweeted a statement from Aslin's family, saying the videos "must stop".

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-broke-geneva-convention-video-of-captured-brit-mp-says-2022-4

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11 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yes thats because running a mercenary army is against the Russian constitution, even though they clearly are running them such as the Wagner Group.

 

Wagner provides the government with a force which is deniable. Wagner can get involved abroad and the Kremlin can say: 'It has nothing to do with us'."

 

It's owned by a very close crony of Putin's. His name is Yevgeny Prigozhin. He also secured the govt. contract to manufacture rations for the troops. Substandard rations, naturally.

[Kwasaki]

1 hour ago, Virt said:

Seems like there still is Resistance in Mariupol.

The Russians in this video probably wish they didn't enter the city.

If they are alive to tell the story....

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D6HZIB3hGhvc&ved=2ahUKEwig7uaT16L3AhVKs4sKHUF3B48QwqsBegQIAhAE&usg=AOvVaw0X38MAPYeIZ41ophxmEyG0

I guess Russia wants to keep the steelworks in tack it looks a large area.

Aparently there are a maze of tunnels throughout the steelworks.

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4 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

I guess Russia wants to keep the steelworks in tack it looks a large area.

Aparently there are a maze of tunnels throughout the steelworks.

Maybe not:

Russia accused of using ‘bunker buster’ bombs to kill remaining Mariupol troops

Around 1,000 civilians were still hiding in shelters beneath a steel plant in the besieged city, officials have said..

The commander of the Azov Regiment of the National Guard stationed in Mariupol, Denys Prokopenko, alleged Russian planes had began to deploy “bunker busters” to kill the last Ukrainian fighters and civilians sheltering in Azovstal steel plant - the scene of the city's last stand against the invaders' onslaught.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-ukraine-bunker-bomb-mariupol-b2060505.html

[Slip]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

They are two very different situations . 

Countries getting involved is one thing , like Countries sending their armies .

Individuals going to join the Russian Army is a different thing . 

Mercenaries joining an already participating army is one thing and another Country joining in is a very different thing .

   Its another one of those things that is quite difficult to explain the difference .

But say, the U.K sending its army to fight is one thing , John from the U.K going to fight in Ukraine of his own accord is another thing .

   Yes, John is still going to Ukraine, but they are two very different situations 

John form Guildford is arguably not a mercenary.  The nazis from the wagner group fighting on behalf of Putin certainly are. 

[Mac Mickmanus]

8 minutes ago, Slip said:

John form Guildford is arguably not a mercenary.  The nazis from the wagner group fighting on behalf of Putin certainly are. 

A mercenary is a person who goes to join an Army in a foreign Country , so John would be a mercenary, the Wagner group are Russians , so they wouldn't be mercenaries if they are fighting on Russia's side of the war

[Virt]

16 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Maybe not:

Russia accused of using ‘bunker buster’ bombs to kill remaining Mariupol troops

Around 1,000 civilians were still hiding in shelters beneath a steel plant in the besieged city, officials have said..

The commander of the Azov Regiment of the National Guard stationed in Mariupol, Denys Prokopenko, alleged Russian planes had began to deploy “bunker busters” to kill the last Ukrainian fighters and civilians sheltering in Azovstal steel plant - the scene of the city's last stand against the invaders' onslaught.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-ukraine-bunker-bomb-mariupol-b2060505.html

One thing is to use those bombs against soldiers hunkering down, since they know they always are a target, but if you use them, when you know there are hundred of civilians at the same place, then it's just murder and a war crime.

[Slip]

7 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

A mercenary is a person who goes to join an Army in a foreign Country , so John would be a mercenary, the Wagner group are Russians , so they wouldn't be mercenaries if they are fighting on Russia's side of the war

No.  John would be a soldier of conscience.  Some of the wagner nazis are Russian but it isn't a defining feature, many are not.  They are literally a commercial army.  Have a word with yourself.

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17 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

A mercenary is a person who goes to join an Army in a foreign Country , so John would be a mercenary, the Wagner group are Russians , so they wouldn't be mercenaries if they are fighting on Russia's side of the war

No. John would not be a mercenary. Nor would a member of the Wagner group if he is a Russian national. (I assume most, if not all, are Russian nationals)

1. A mercenary is any person who:
   • (a) is especially recruited locally or abroad in order to fight in an armed conflict;
   • (b) does, in fact, take a direct part in the hostilities;
   • (c) is motivated to take part in the hostilities essentially by the desire for private gain and, in fact, is promised, by or on behalf of a Party to the conflict, material compensation substantially in excess of that promised or paid to combatants of similar ranks and functions in the armed forces of that Party;
   • (d) is neither a national of a Party to the conflict nor a resident of territory controlled by a Party to the conflict;
   • (e) is not a member of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict; and
   • (f) has not been sent by a State which is not a Party to the conflict on official duty as a member of its armed forces.

All the criteria (a–f) must be met, according to the Geneva Convention, for a combatant to be described as a mercenary.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercenary

 

Edited April 20, 2022 by placeholder