Assault on Kiev: Russian helicopters swoop above Ukraine's capital

[Kwasaki]

33 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

and you think Ukraine would agree with that, I very much  doubt, fighting as they have been fighting they have said in many occasions that no territory would be given

They have no choice IMHO but will still have to to see what future holds. 

[Mr Derek]

1 hour ago, tgw said:

Ukrainian Armed Forces reclaim 20% of Sievierodonetsk – Luhansk Military Administration

 

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/06/3/7350399/

 

What are they going to do to get Donbas back? Serious question. Are you advocating a never-ending conflict?

 

Regarding Severodonetsk, that is yesterday's news and evidently false - just propaganda to try and boost morale by a Ukrainian source - I would have thought most people, by this stage, are to see through that kind of thing.

 

[onthedarkside]

A post comment linking to a dubious source website has been removed, along with several ensuing replies.

 

[tgw]

1 hour ago, Mr Derek said:

What are they going to do to get Donbas back? Serious question. Are you advocating a never-ending conflict?

 

Regarding Severodonetsk, that is yesterday's news and evidently false - just propaganda to try and boost morale by a Ukrainian source - I would have thought most people, by this stage, are to see through that kind of thing.

I am advocating keeping killing as many Ruzzian invaders as necessary until they give up.

 

Ukraine will be able to beat the Ruzzians back into Russia if they get the necessary equipment.

 

A significant number of Western howitzers along with 40Km range ammo might already be enough to achieve that goal, albeit slowly. AFAIK, Ukraine does not currently have 40Km arty ammo.
But they are in the process of receiving HIMARS, which has a range of 90 Km with the basic ammo.

 

Regarding "lies" from Ukrainian sources, you should watch less RT, because it seems more and more likely that Ruzzia's offensive is stalling:

Russian Military Is Repeating Mistakes in Eastern Ukraine, U.S. Says

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/31/us/politics/russia-military-eastern-ukraine.html

 

 

Putin the madman has apparently dismissed Dvornikov, the "butcher of Syria" from command:

General Dvornikov ‘no longer in command’ of Russian Army in Ukraine

https://sports.yahoo.com/general-dvornikov-no-longer-command-155200379.html
https://english.nv.ua/nation/general-dvornikov-dismissed-from-command-of-russian-army-in-ukraine-russia-news-russia-invasion-50247453.html

 

 

and as I already explained earlier, it is very important for world peace that Putin and Ruzzia do not obtain ANY concession from Ukraine or the West, otherwise it sends the wrong signal to China. The UK and the USA have understood that.

There is no way out for your inspiring figure Putin the mad unfunny Clown.

Edited June 4, 2022 by tgw

[tgw]

1 hour ago, Mr Derek said:

What are they going to do to get Donbas back? Serious question. Are you advocating a never-ending conflict?

 

Regarding Severodonetsk, that is yesterday's news and evidently false - just propaganda to try and boost morale by a Ukrainian source - I would have thought most people, by this stage, are to see through that kind of thing.

what's more, Putin's and Ruzzia's situation seems to be so bad that Macron is asking everyone to not be too hard on the Ruzzians:

Russia must not be humiliated despite Putin's 'historic' mistake, Macron says

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-must-not-be-humiliated-despite-putins-historic-mistake-macron-2022-06-04/

 

[tgw]

1 hour ago, Mr Derek said:

What are they going to do to get Donbas back? Serious question. Are you advocating a never-ending conflict?

 

Regarding Severodonetsk, that is yesterday's news and evidently false - just propaganda to try and boost morale by a Ukrainian source - I would have thought most people, by this stage, are to see through that kind of thing.

 

news from 5 hours ago:

Ukraine now controls half of Severodonetsk after reclaiming ground, Ukrainian official says

https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-06-04-22/index.html

 

[tgw]

On 100th day of war, Russia says "work" in Ukraine will continue until all goals are reached

Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov assessed the results of the first 100 days of the war in Ukraine on Friday, saying "certain results" have been achieved and work will continue until all goals are met.

https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-06-03-22/index.html

 

let's be patient.

some more months and after several rounds of adjustments to objectives, the goal of "successfully retreating from Ukraine" will eventually be met by Ruzzian forces.

 

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, Mr Derek said:

Partisan twaddle.

Wars are won and lost, you know. Territory exchanged. Check the record of history, especially in this region if you like, which is not yet finished.

Nothing to do with history, this is the here and now and his post demonstrated that

[nauseus]

22 minutes ago, Mr Derek said:

Please. The western media is only just regurgitating the propaganda put out by Ukraine yesterday. The half of Severodonetsk they are talking about probably includes the whole administrative district including forests. The ground they reclaimed probably was a single street, temporarily.

 

Check the map, https://geoworld.space/ukraine/ .Then judge for yourself.

From all the reports included in the link below, it looks like the Russians still occupy 50-70% of Severodonetsk. Maybe the Orcs lost concentration while they were blowing up wooden monasteries, with women and children inside?

 

In the key city of Severodonetsk, Ukraine says it has recaptured part of the territory that was lost to Russian forces. 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-61656289

[Slip]

47 minutes ago, Mr Derek said:

Partisan twaddle.

Wars are won and lost, you know. Territory exchanged. Check the record of history, especially in this region if you like, which is not yet finished.

If being a partisan makes us the type of people that abhor war crimes and genocide so be it.  You may provide cover for putin if you wish, but the behaviour you condone brings shame on you as it does Putin's orcs.

[rudi49jr]

58 minutes ago, Mr Derek said:

Partisan twaddle.

Wars are won and lost, you know. Territory exchanged. Check the record of history, especially in this region if you like, which is not yet finished.

So if your house was raided by your neighbors, your wife and daughters raped and killed, your sons tortured and killed, and your neighbors occupied your house and kicked you out in the street, that would be OK with you then? Just territory exchanged, right? 

[Kwasaki]

1 hour ago, Mr Derek said:

Partisan twaddle.

Wars are won and lost, you know. Territory exchanged. Check the record of history, especially in this region if you like, which is not yet finished.

What will be will be and as for the future of the war no one knows.

We will just have to wait and see what happens.

[rudi49jr]

Mr. Kuleba is 100% right. Russia is the aggressor here, they have already committed countless war crimes and will no doubt commit many more. They deserve everything that they will (hopefully) get, and Russia needs to be put in its place. They can not be allowed to gain anything from this war. 

[candide]

12 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

Mr. Kuleba is 100% right. Russia is the aggressor here, they have already committed countless war crimes and will no doubt commit many more. They deserve everything that they will (hopefully) get, and Russia needs to be put in its place. They can not be allowed to gain anything from this war. 

Ok, but some communication channels must maintained.

[Bkk Brian]

12 hours ago, tgw said:

news from 5 hours ago:

Ukraine now controls half of Severodonetsk after reclaiming ground, Ukrainian official says

https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-06-04-22/index.html

 

Getting some very positive vibes coming through from reports and unconfirmed social media that Ukraine now in control of at least 75% of Severodonetsk. The objective being to keep pushing the orcs as much as possible until the big guns arrive from the US when they can then mount a much more offensive role from the high ground located near the city to push the Russian back even further.

 

Ukrainian governor Serhiy Haidai of Severodonetsk "As soon as we have enough Western long-range weapons, we will push their artillery away from our positions. And then, believe me, the Russian infantry, they will just run," he said.

 

4th June Study of War update: Luhansk Oblast Administration Head Serhiy Haidai disagreed with the UK Defense Ministry forecast on June 3 that Russian forces will seize the remaining 10% of the oblast in the next two weeks, claiming that Ukrainian forces have enough reinforcements and equipment to conduct further counterattacks and defend their positions.

 

Fingers crossed for confirmed good news to come

[JetsetBkk]

16 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Fingers crossed for confirmed good news to come

Keep dreaming.

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, JetsetBkk said:

Keep dreaming.

With the twaddle you read and watch going by what you post on here I would say the only one dreaming is you and Putin's dream to have his "Special Operation" done and dusted within a few days.

[JetsetBkk]

13 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

23 minutes ago, JetsetBkk said:

Keep dreaming.

With the twaddle you read and watch going by what you post on here I would say the only one dreaming is you and Putin's dream to have his "Special Operation" done and dusted within a few days.

I'm so looking forward to coming back in a few weeks...

 

[bannork]

With Russia following its usual military strategy of obliterating every building in its path, killing countless citizens in the process, I'm wondering how that's going to win the hearts and minds of the Russian speakers in eastern  Ukraine.

'You said you came to liberate me but you've killed my family, blown up my house and destroyed my town. <deleted>!'

[Bkk Brian]

21 minutes ago, JetsetBkk said:

I'm so looking forward to coming back in a few weeks...

 

Keep dreaming Vlad

[RupertIII]

12 minutes ago, bannork said:

With Russia following its usual military strategy of obliterating every building in its path, killing countless citizens in the process, I'm wondering how that's going to win the hearts and minds of the Russian speakers in eastern  Ukraine.

'You said you came to liberate me but you've killed my family, blown up my house and destroyed my town. <deleted>!'

As suggested here -

Enemy tongue: eastern Ukrainians reject their Russian birth language

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/04/enemy-tongue-eastern-ukrainians-reject-their-russian-birth-language

[Kwasaki]

16 minutes ago, bannork said:

With Russia following its usual military strategy of obliterating every building in its path, killing countless citizens in the process, I'm wondering how that's going to win the hearts and minds of the Russian speakers in eastern  Ukraine.

'You said you came to liberate me but you've killed my family, blown up my house and destroyed my town. <deleted>!'

After 8 years they are probably use to it. 

[coolcarer]

48 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

After 8 years they are probably use to it. 

Are you being serious? How can anyone get used to Mariupol and what’s happened there. Did you forget it’s part of the de facto so called Donetsk region and has been completely destroyed with one of the largest war crime scenes in the whole of Ukraine.

[rudi49jr]

2 hours ago, JetsetBkk said:

I'm so looking forward to coming back in a few weeks...

 

With your foot in your mouth, you mean?

[coolcarer]

25 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Forget who did what you forget Mariupol was taken back from Russian separatists by Azov battalion in 2014 which is basically and widely the excuse for Russia's attack on Ukraine.

You said the people were used to it, ie in reply to this post below

1 hour ago, bannork said:

With Russia following its usual military strategy of obliterating every building in its path, killing countless citizens in the process, I'm wondering how that's going to win the hearts and minds of the Russian speakers in eastern  Ukraine.

'You said you came to liberate me but you've killed my family, blown up my house and destroyed my town. <deleted>!'

Again how can they get used to this level of mass destruction in Mariupol or any other area of Ukraine including the the East?

 

As for Mariupol being the target because of Azov taking it over in 2014, do you have a link for that and how can Azov or any other Ukraine battalion take over something which is already theirs?

 

Facts state the reason Russia went for Mariupol is because of its desire to secure a land bridge between Crimea and Donbas.

 

Mariupol: Why Mariupol is so important to Russia's plan https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60825226

 

So waiting again, how can they get used to this level of destruction after 8 years as you claim?

 

Edited June 5, 2022 by coolcarer

[Kwasaki]

49 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

You said the people were used to it, ie in reply to this post below

Again how can they get used to this level of mass destruction in Mariupol or any other area of Ukraine including the the East?

 

As for Mariupol being the target because of Azov taking it over in 2014, do you have a link for that and how can Azov or any other Ukraine battalion take over something which is already theirs?

 

Facts state the reason Russia went for Mariupol is because of its desire to secure a land bridge between Crimea and Donbas.

 

Mariupol: Why Mariupol is so important to Russia's plan https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60825226

 

So waiting again, how can they get used to this level of destruction after 8 years as you claim?

 

Well my opinion is the trouble has been going on for a long time in Ukraine and now it's just built up to the war it is now. 

Mariupol will remain part of Russia the same as the Crimea is. 

[coolcarer]

2 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Well my opinion is the trouble has been going on for a long time in Ukraine and now it's just built up to the war it is now. 

Mariupol will remain part of Russia the same as the Crimea is. 

Totally ignored the evidence provided and defected with an opinion that was nothing to do with the reply you initially made.

 

Just to be clear. Nobody gets used to having their cities, towns, villages and homes leveled. Nobody gets used to the rape, torture and killings of its citizens including women and children on a mass scale and nobody gets used to the barbaric war waged against Ukraine by Russia.

 

Think about what you say next time, it was a disgraceful statement.

[Bkk Brian]

https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1533319150172524559

 

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

Forget who did what you forget Mariupol was taken back from Russian separatists by Azov battalion in 2014 which is basically and widely the excuse for Russia's attack on Ukraine.

Russian-backed separatists briefly held the center of Mariupol for one week in May 2014.  The Azov battalion took part but did not lead the offensive.

 

"During the rising unrest in Ukraine in the aftermath of the 2014 Ukrainian revolution, the city of Mariupol, in Donetsk Oblast, saw skirmishes break out between Ukrainian government forces, local police, and separatist militants affiliated with the Donetsk People's Republic. Government forces withdrew from Mariupol on 9 May 2014 after heavy fighting left the city's police headquarters gutted by fire. These forces maintained checkpoints outside the city. Intervention by Metinvest steelworkers on 15 May 2014 led to the removal of barricades from the city centre, and the resumption of patrols by local police. "  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mariupol_(2014)

[spidermike007]

One may ask why has Putin chosen this moment to make his move on Ukraine? As many have pointed out, Russia is an objectively weak state — “Upper Volta with nuclear weapons,” as someone once quipped — with a nominal G.D.P. smaller than that of South Korea. Outside of energy, minerals and second-rate military equipment, it produces almost nothing that outsiders want: no Russian iPhone, Lexus or “Fauda.” If it were not for the minerals, oil and natural gas, I believe Russia would be a highly irrelevant state. Sure, it had alot of culture. Had. What have it's contributions been since the middle of the 20th century?

Putin’s problem with Ukraine, starting with the Maidan uprising of 2014, is that Ukrainians want nothing to do with him. He is despised. And for good reason. If he were a Disney character, he’d be Rapunzel’s mother. But, he is not a Disney character, which makes him a pathetic, aggressive, serial killing despot dictator, who appears to be targeting women and children in his latest escapade, and further walk into the world of darkness. 

This could end up being Putin's personal Vietnam. It is increasingly obvious we gave the man far too much credit. We all assumed he was smart! As time goes on, Russia appears to be increasing more desperate. They do not seem to enjoy being the world's greatest pariah. They are, and deservedly so. Having a despot dictator for a leader comes at a high cost.