Assault on Kiev: Russian helicopters swoop above Ukraine's capital

[Jai Dee]

A couple of troll posts and replies have been removed.

[Mavideol]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Perhaps you've not watched BBC today or read the news on Russia putting mines in the sea at Odesa and Ochakiv

Never trusted a Russian and am not starting now

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/jul/01/russia-ukraine-war-live-news-russian-missile-strikes-odesa-zelenskiy-hails-snake-island-victory-latest-updates

Russia-Ukraine war: two children among 18 dead after missile strike on Odesa; Zelenskiy hails ‘significant’ Snake Island victory – live

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/russian-missile-attack-hits-residential-buildings-odesa-86053403

Russian missiles kill at least 18 in Ukraine's Odesa region

 

[rudi49jr]

25 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

Russian missiles kill at least 18 in Ukraine's Odesa region

And the Russians deny it was their missiles that did this. How stupid do they think we are? Who else is going to fire missiles at an apartment building in Odesa? ISIS? The Taliban? Or maybe it was those sneaky Martians. 

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2 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

I guess so because isn't Odessa port access blocked by Ukrainian sea mines anyway. 

It's blocked to Russians because they don't know where the mines are. 

[Bkk Brian]

46 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

Russia-Ukraine war: two children among 18 dead after missile strike on Odesa; Zelenskiy hails ‘significant’ Snake Island victory – live

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/russian-missile-attack-hits-residential-buildings-odesa-86053403

Russian missiles kill at least 18 in Ukraine's Odesa region

 

Another day another massive war crime, they are still finding body parts from the Shopping Mall in Kremenchuk and this happens Not long ago the railway station full of refugees.  Time for the world to declare Russia a terrorist state.

 

Putin’s war is also a crime – the world must punish Russia as a terrorist state

 

After airstrikes on civilian targets, from a shopping malls to hospitals, Ukraine’s allies must use the correct legal definitions

 

Most people think of terrorism as an asymmetric tactic of political coercion pursued by rogue political organisations or insurgent groups against a more powerful adversary. In this case, it is pursued by a major state power against a smaller nation. But the goals and methods are the same.

 

The definition of terrorism is a deliberate, indiscriminate attack on civilians with a political goal. That is precisely what Russia is doing.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/30/vladimir-putin-war-crime-russia-terrorist-state-ukraine

[ozimoron]

9 hours ago, JetsetBkk said:

Snake Island served its purpose. It was a distraction for the Ukrainians and the West. 

 

The Russians took Snake Island easily at the start, but it has no strategic value for them - it's a rock. And while the Ukrainians and the West were distracted by it, the Russians were taking Severodonetsk and Lysychansk in the Donbas region.

So they left a rock with population zero, and now control two cities - Severodonetsk and Lysychansk - in the industrial heartland, population 300,000.

It has strategic advantage in blockading shipping moving south from Odessa.

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Here's an incisive take on how the russians have waged war in Ukraine. If you follow the link you'll find an equally incisive take on Putin

 

“We have a saying in America, we say that nations with allies thrive, nations without allies wither and we’re watching Russia wither before our eyes right now," Mattis said.

When asked what military lessons could be taken from the war so far, the former US Marine said: “One is don’t have incompetent generals in charge of your operations.” 

He also called Russia's military performance "pathetic" and decried "the immoral, the tactically incompetent, operationally stupid and strategically foolish effort" of its campaign in Ukraine.

https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-07-01-22/h_09d4a6957395ffe9b39942789b9f5bef

[Hellfire]

7 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

And the Russians deny it was their missiles that did this. How stupid do they think we are? Who else is going to fire missiles at an apartment building in Odesa? ISIS? The Taliban? Or maybe it was those sneaky Martians. 

  This propaganda comedy was not really  created for you and other sane Westerners. Let me explain you my vision of the internal Russian situation. There are 10-15 million people in Russia, the neo-pheudals, as I prefer to call them (consisting of all levels of government officials and the security forces of all types), who control all political and social life in the modern Russia. The level of the power they exert cannot be compared to that of any social group in the West.
  There was an option for these neo-feudals of Russia to reform their country 15-20 years ago and to become a Western type of democracy. But then, they would inevitably lose their extraordinary control on the rest of the Russian population. And there was another way, the way of deceiving, propaganda and brainwashing. The use of the Soviet time propaganda archetypes was a good idea and it worked out well. USA and NATO are evil. Democracy is a myth. Russia is a country of the unique civilization and should have its own way (which true direction was never really specified). By using these Soviet stereotypes, Putin, the Tsar, and his boyars try to keep the brainwashed population of 100+ mlns under their full control.  And they do succeed at the moment.
  This game is all about control of the (relatively) small group of the Russian elite over the rest of the population. The war in Ukraine is just the mean to this end.
 

 

Edited July 1, 2022 by Hellfire

[Kwasaki]

2 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

And in war it’s allowed to fire missiles into civilian targets and kill dozens of innocent people? Or even worse, fire the missiles and then lie about it and say it wasn’t you? You really need to have your head examined. 

You are obviously easily upset but in the course of a war you do whatever to win.

If you not think all wars since the 2nd world has not killed civilians then it's you that needs to have your head examined.

[Kwasaki]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

It has strategic advantage in blockading shipping moving south from Odessa.

What shipping is being blocked coming out of Odessa.?

[ozimoron]

4 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

What shipping is being blocked coming out of Odessa.?

all of it.

 

https://abcnews.go.com/International/russias-blockade-odesa/story?id=85083666

[rudi49jr]

9 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

You are obviously easily upset but in the course of a war you do whatever to win.

If you not think all wars since the 2nd world has not killed civilians then it's you that needs to have your head examined.

I get upset, like any normal and sane person would, when one country invades another one and fires missiles at mostly civilian targets on purpose, killing dozens, if not hundreds. I get upset, like any normal and sane person would, when there’s overwhelming evidence (does the name Bucha maybe ring a bell) that Russian soldiers rape, torture and kill innocent civilians by the hundreds. That’s not war, that’s terrorism. But all’s fair in love and war, right?

[heybruce]

4 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

You are obviously easily upset but in the course of a war you do whatever to win.

If you not think all wars since the 2nd world has not killed civilians then it's you that needs to have your head examined.

"IHL (International Humanitarian Law) prohibits attacks directed against civilians, as well as indiscriminate attacks, namely those that strike military objectives and civilians or civilian objects without distinction. Principle of proportionality: IHL prohibits attacks that may be expected to cause excessive incidental civilian harm in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated. In the conduct of hostilities, causing incidental harm to civilians and civilian objects is often unavoidable. "  https://www.icrc.org/en/document/ihl-rules-of-war-FAQ-Geneva-Conventions

[candide]

5 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

You are obviously easily upset but in the course of a war you do whatever to win.

If you not think all wars since the 2nd world has not killed civilians then it's you that needs to have your head examined.

However, only one of the two countries at war is extensively killing civilians.

[Bkk Brian]

11 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

Duh its a war.

"Duh its a war crime" & another of thousands being carried out.

 

Fixed if for you.

 

Those that turn away from what Putin and his forces are doing are condoning those very atrocities. Quite disgusting.

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13 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

Duh its a war.

Duh, purposely attacking civilian targets is a war crime.

[Rimmer]

Some troll posts have been removed also some replies.

 

Other troll posts I have left,  because they have already been replied to in order to set the records straight.

[Rimmer]

Pentagon: Ukraines using rocket system to hit Russian command posts

 

Ukrainian forces are having “a good deal of success” using a U.S.-given advanced rocket system to target Russian command posts, a senior U.S. defense official said Friday. 

 

The Ukrainians have used the High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS) advanced rocket system to target the Kremlin positions in its fight for the eastern region of the country known as the Donbas.  

 

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/3544474-pentagon-ukraines-using-rocket-system-to-hit-russian-command-posts/

 

 

 

[GroveHillWanderer]

22 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

I guess so because isn't Odessa port access blocked by Ukrainian sea mines anyway. 

Only if you believe the Russian claims. The same Russians who also claim that they haven't invaded Ukraine and there is no war happening there. 

[Mavideol]

13 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

What shipping is being blocked coming out of Odessa.?

get the updates and start to accept the reality

 

https://cyprus-mail.com/2022/07/01/missile-kills-14-near-odesa-after-ukraine-retakes-snake-island/

Russia kills 21 with missiles near Odesa after abandoning Snake Island (Update 2)

 

 

[Rimmer]

A post linking to a forbidden source has been removed. Also an off topic unattributed misleading post

[candide]

1 hour ago, JetsetBkk said:

Provided you discount Kyiv bombing and shelling of Donetsk and Luhansk in 2014.

 

"The first casualty of War is Truth" -  Hiram Warren Johnson, 1918.

 

31 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Provided you can provide credible sources regarding this random killing of civilians, which you can't. 

It's true that civilians have been killed. If I remember well, it was mainly close to the frontline, checkpoints, bases, etc....

[heybruce]

30 minutes ago, candide said:

 

It's true that civilians have been killed. If I remember well, it was mainly close to the frontline, checkpoints, bases, etc....

That would not be random killing.  When soldiers on either side embed themselves among civilians they risk making civilians "collateral damage" from legitimate fire.  What JetsetBkk can't do is provide credible sources for claims that Ukraine killed civilians as part of a terror campaign.

[CatCage]

Russia dredges up landing ship hit by Ukraine missile fire

 

Russia says it has salvaged a large landing ship scuttled by its crew after a Ukrainian missile strike damaged it in the port of Berdyansk on 24 March.

 

A Telegram post by a Russian-appointed official in southern Ukraine, Vladimir Rogov, says Tochka-U ballistic missiles had targeted the Russian-held port.

 

The crew sank the ship "to prevent detonation of the on-board munitions by the fire that had started", he said.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62022476

 

Edited July 3, 2022 by CatCage

[rudi49jr]

 

[rudi49jr]

Old Soviet-style repression is being re-introduced: lock opponents up in the gulag, or declare them crazy and send them to a “mental institution”.

 

 

[Mavideol]

17 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

 

karma at it's best...  555

[Mavideol]

17 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

Old Soviet-style repression is being re-introduced: lock opponents up in the gulag, or declare them crazy and send them to a “mental institution”.

 

 

after arriving at mental institution they die 2-3 days later

 

https://metro.co.uk/2022/07/03/russian-scientist-dies-after-being-pulled-from-hospital-bed-and-jailed-16933150/

Russian scientist dies after being pulled from cancer bed and jailed for ‘treason’

 

[RanongCat]

On 2/25/2022 at 2:51 PM, tgw said:

at least the pro-Russian trolls in this thread can feel comforted by the fact that they share the same opinion as Myanmar's glorious rulers:

https://www.voanews.co nmar-s-military-council-supports-russia-s-invasion-0f-ukraine/6458527.html

This one ?

MOSCOW -- Russian scientist Roman Kovalyov, convicted and sentenced to a lengthy prison term in 2020 on a high-treason charge that he and his supporters rejected, has died of cancer.

The Pervy Otdel (First Unit) human rights group said on April 27 that Kovalyov, a former senior official at the Central Research Institute of Machine Building (TsNIIMash), was released from prison two weeks earlier to allow him to die at home.

Or this one?

Kudryavtsev was arrested in July 2018 on suspicion of passing classified data on hypersonic technology to a research group in Belgium. In April 2021, Kudryavtsev died of lung cancer at the age of 77.

 

[Kwasaki]

Again where's the western weapons.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJDc35a7P4M