Assault on Kiev: Russian helicopters swoop above Ukraine's capital

[internationalism]

27 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

It's only a matter of time before Ukraine starts hitting targets inside Russia with NATO weapons.

 

https://www.baltictimes.com/ukraine_should_be_free_to_hit_military_targets_in_russia_-_rinkevics/

and that is escalation to 3ww.

[ozimoron]

5 minutes ago, internationalism said:

and that is escalation to 3ww.

I disagree, Russia won't use nuclear weapons. He doesn't have Chinese or Indian support for that. He needs them to save his country from imminent bankruptcy.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-kazakhstan-treaty-nuclear-threat-china-1763083

Edited December 5, 2022 by ozimoron

[internationalism]

I just have mentioned 3ww.

Nukes would be rather by mistake. But such accident more likely to happen at high tension, like 3ww.

Any side with nuke capabilities can start armageddon, including china and india. And pakistan. Not necessarily russia or the usa.

The 3ww means many countries gradually joining this war as it develops. 

 

[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, internationalism said:

I just have mentioned 3ww.

Nukes would be rather by mistake. But such accident more likely to happen at high tension, like 3ww.

Any side with nuke capabilities can start armageddon, including china and india. And pakistan. Not necessarily russia or the usa.

The 3ww means many countries gradually joining this war as it develops. 

 

It won't be an accident. Why on earth would you think that?

[rudi49jr]

 

 

[ozimoron]

Well,  that escalated quickly.

 

Explosions hit two Russian military airfields

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/explosion-ukraine-war-hit-russian-military-airfields/

[internationalism]

34 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

It won't be an accident. Why on earth would you think that?

ok, you know or you wish better.

I don't hope for an escalation to 3ww, even more so to planned nukes.

Before any planned attack there would be an accident or provocation, like that ukrainian missile attack on poland, that ended up just short at article 4.

There might be warnings, nukes detonated over deserted area or international seas.

Once the 3ww started it would be impossible to guess now how each of multiple sides will act.  

Start supplying ukraine with long range missiles and you never can be sure in what direction they will fly at. The next one might be not a barn, but skyscraper at some capital city

 

 

 

[ozimoron]

Just now, internationalism said:

ok, you know or you wish better.

I don't hope for an escalation to 3ww, even more so to planned nukes.

Before any planned attack there would be an accident or provocation, like that ukrainian missile attack on poland, that ended up just short at article 4.

There might be warnings, nukes detonated over deserted area or international seas.

Once the 3ww started it would be impossible to guess now how each of multiple sides will act.  

Start supplying ukraine with long range missiles and you never can be sure in what direction they will fly at. The next one might be not a barn, but skyscraper at some capital city

You mean like Russian missiles hitting skyscrapers in Kyiv?

[internationalism]

I have written

"Start supplying ukraine with long range missiles"

[ozimoron]

8 minutes ago, internationalism said:

I have written

"Start supplying ukraine with long range missiles"

Russia has long range missiles, fair's fair.

[jvs]

33 minutes ago, internationalism said:

ok, you know or you wish better.

I don't hope for an escalation to 3ww, even more so to planned nukes.

Before any planned attack there would be an accident or provocation, like that ukrainian missile attack on poland, that ended up just short at article 4.

There might be warnings, nukes detonated over deserted area or international seas.

Once the 3ww started it would be impossible to guess now how each of multiple sides will act.  

Start supplying ukraine with long range missiles and you never can be sure in what direction they will fly at. The next one might be not a barn, but skyscraper at some capital city

 

 

 

What Ukrainian missile attack on Poland are you talking about?

Missile attack?Get real,that was an air defense missile aimed at

a Russian missile that was attacking an Ukrainian target,probably civilian as well.

I do hope the US will send some missiles to the Ukraine that can reach deep into Crimea and even further to attack the Russian navy fleet.

Appease Putin?

Never!Send more missiles his way,it is the only kind of conversation he

understands.

 

[internationalism]

21 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Russia has long range missiles, fair's fair.

but doesn't use them to third parties.

Ukraine does it, even with short range, just across border. Long range might be at capital city target. And that might go fast to article 4 - once mass media hype from the AP or any global news agency, based on verified CIA source will say, it's russian provocation.

How far was world from 3ww a few weeks ago?

ukrainians to this day deny their involvement 

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, internationalism said:

but doesn't use them to third parties.

Ukraine does it, even with short range, just across border. Long range might be at capital city target. And that might go fast to article 4 - once mass media hype from the AP or any global news agency, based on verified CIA source will say, it's russian provocation.

How far was world from 3ww a few weeks ago?

ukrainians to this day deny their involvement 

What are you talking about? Many of those missiles are from Iraq, especially the ones that actually go bang on contact.

[internationalism]

2 minutes ago, jvs said:

What Ukrainian missile attack on Poland are you talking about?

Missile attack?Get real,that was an air defense missile aimed at

a Russian missile that was attacking an Ukrainian target,probably civilian as well.

I do hope the US will send some missiles to the Ukraine that can reach deep into Crimea and even further to attack the Russian navy fleet.

Appease Putin?

Never!Send more missiles his way,it is the only kind of conversation he

understands.

 

unless it was a deliberate action by ukrainians - even without knowledge of their president and military command, just rouge nationalist element. An independent interrogation of those involved and investigation would show. But ukraine still denies it was their own missile. So answer won't be coming in the near future  

[internationalism]

5 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

What are you talking about? Many of those missiles are from Iraq, especially the ones that actually go bang on contact.

leave Iraq out of it. You are confusing them with their arch enemy - Iranians, Persians. 

You were talking about russian missiles, now you jumped in the opposite direction.

Russia has bought some limited quantity cheap drones at $20k and now they are also making them in russia themselves. Nothing comparable to multi-tone, multi-million long range ballistic missiles. Even those s-300 which hit Poland are several tonnes  

[ozimoron]

54 minutes ago, internationalism said:

leave Iraq out of it. You are confusing them with their arch enemy - Iranians, Persians. 

You were talking about russian missiles, now you jumped in the opposite direction.

Russia has bought some limited quantity cheap drones at $20k and now they are also making them in russia themselves. Nothing comparable to multi-tone, multi-million long range ballistic missiles. Even those s-300 which hit Poland are several tonnes  

Russia has Iranian supplied missiles. Try to keep up.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/01/politics/iran-missiles-russia/index.html

[internationalism]

21 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Russia has Iranian supplied missiles. Try to keep up.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/01/politics/iran-missiles-russia/index.html

i am not a militarist and not obsessed with this war or any other military actions.

Title of your article starts "Iran is preparing".

That clearly means russia don't have them yet

 

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, internationalism said:

i am not a militarist and not obsessed with this war or any other military actions.

Title of your article starts "Iran is preparing".

That clearly means russia don't have them yet

 

Then since you are uninformed by self confession I see no point in continuing this conversation with you. Bye.

[internationalism]

3 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Then since you are uninformed by self confession I see no point in continuing this conversation with you. Bye.

thank you for leaving conversation with me. O you well informed super-militarist accusing Iraq of sending missiles to Ukraine, which Iran hasn't send

[ozimoron]

The far-right’s pro-Russia posture endangers the nation and the world

 

Yet, this is a strategically flawed proposition, a political miscalculation and a direct endangerment of our national security. 

Those who rely on a cost-benefit argument to suggest that the United States should reduce our support for Ukraine fail to recognize that America has committed just a fraction of our annual defense spending — a sum equivalent to roughly 6 percent — to aid the brave Ukrainian people and erode Russia’s military might. Even more critically, we have done so with zero American casualties. 

 

https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/3762179-the-far-rights-pro-russia-posture-endangers-the-nation-and-the-world/

[Mac Mickmanus]

37 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Russia has Iranian supplied missiles. Try to keep up.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/01/politics/iran-missiles-russia/index.html

There is no evidence that Iran supplied missiles to Russia , although they seem to have supplied them with drones 

[ozimoron]

Russia has stopped using Iranian-made kamikaze drones in Ukraine because they don't work in cold weather, a Ukrainian official said.

Yevgeny Silkin, of the Joint Forces Command for Strategic Communications of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, said that Russia had stopped using the Iranian drones, which are made of plastic and other materials that are not frost resistant, according to Ukrainian news agency UNIAN. 

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-stopped-using-iran-suicide-drones-dont-work-cold-ukraine-2022-12

[ozimoron]

Russian Commander 'Executed' Following Mass Desertions of His Unit

 

Osechkin pointed to the recent death of another former convict, Yevgeny Nuzhin, who had been recruited in July by the Wagner Group, which was founded by Putin ally Yevgeny Prigozhin.

Footage of his killing was published last month by the Wagner-linked Telegram channel Grey Zone. The clip showed an unidentified man hitting Nuzhin, 55, with a sledgehammer.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/russian-commander-killed-executed-desertions-unit-donbas-1764622

[Bkk Brian]

8 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Well,  that escalated quickly.

 

Explosions hit two Russian military airfields

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/explosion-ukraine-war-hit-russian-military-airfields/

That's deep into Russian territory, hundreds of kilometers. Not too much damage done but well done Ukraine. 

 

The Russian airbase “Engels-2” has been hit. The base is located 400 km Southeast from Moscow. It hosts strategic bombers of Tu-95 and was the launch pad for numerous attacks against Ukraine

 

Unclear which drones they used yet, some saying it was the older Soviet Tu-141 Strizh UAV  they had, although this strike is just a day after Ukraine announced successful tests of its new 1000 km range drone

 

Some damage pics here https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1599826448537174017

 

 

 

 

[internationalism]

7 hours ago, ozimoron said:

The far-right’s pro-Russia posture endangers the nation and the world

 

Yet, this is a strategically flawed proposition, a political miscalculation and a direct endangerment of our national security. 

Those who rely on a cost-benefit argument to suggest that the United States should reduce our support for Ukraine fail to recognize that America has committed just a fraction of our annual defense spending — a sum equivalent to roughly 6 percent — to aid the brave Ukrainian people and erode Russia’s military might. Even more critically, we have done so with zero American casualties. 

 

https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/3762179-the-far-rights-pro-russia-posture-endangers-the-nation-and-the-world/

so instead of discussion on a forum about events in ukraine (missile attack on poland, misinformation posted by you, that Iraq sends missiles, threat of a local conflict escalating into 3ww) you copy and paste, without any comment whatsoever, an opinion about an internal political division within the US.

That division is also within the society as a whole. 

Opposition to war is growing inside republicans. This "far-right" opinions are now becoming popular at mainstream republicans, as that article points. So the title of this article is distorting what that article says.

Opposition to war will most likely to grow (as it's growing within republicans) across political spectrum and outside politics.

If there is war there is also anti-war stance. Vietnam war was stopped partly because of the peace movement.

Anti-war doesn't mean pro-russian, at all. 

It means not supporting any side of the conflict and pushing for a diplomatic solution, peace negotiations.

Republicans are now scrutinising all ukraine expenditure. They have send weapons inspectors to trace equipment.

How much of military equipment is unaccounted for, missing, stolen, sold on black market in europe?

Three pages earlier (on page 247), Denim has posted a video interview with brit, who says at 50:45 that large supplies of heavy armaments were missing, 2 full tracks worth of company supply. He blames corrupted ukrainian commander.

 

How widespread is that case?

How much are worth those armaments to the US government, if they end up at terrorists caches across europe and elsewhere?

How the US public opinion will react, when full picture of those investigations will be published? 

 

 

 

 

[internationalism]

8 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Russian Commander 'Executed' Following Mass Desertions of His Unit

 

Osechkin pointed to the recent death of another former convict, Yevgeny Nuzhin, who had been recruited in July by the Wagner Group, which was founded by Putin ally Yevgeny Prigozhin.

Footage of his killing was published last month by the Wagner-linked Telegram channel Grey Zone. The clip showed an unidentified man hitting Nuzhin, 55, with a sledgehammer.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/russian-commander-killed-executed-desertions-unit-donbas-1764622

What's the purpose of this article? Where is discussion or critical take on it?

 

the title doesn't correspond to content:

" he had been threatened with execution".

He didn't say who threatened him.

Execution (as oppose to murder) is done rather by court martial sentence. 

He wasn't charged at court. 

If he seriously neglected his duty, abandoned command, russians will make a showcase court case with hard sentence. 

 

As to the other case, quoted above. That guy switched side to Ukraine, went to front and shortly was captured by Russians.

"Nuzhin had given a string of interviews in Ukraine after he was captured by Ukrainian forces in September, in which he criticized Russian officials and said he wanted to switch sides."

That guy was a traitor. He had a chance to be prisoner of war, but declined.

Ideally he would be court martialed by russians and his sentence most likely death. Looks, like he was fallen at hands of unit he deserted from and so was recognised.

Edited December 6, 2022 by internationalism

[internationalism]

On 11/30/2022 at 11:23 AM, Denim said:

Great interview with returned British soldier . Well worth watching to the end. 

 

 

At the end of this interview, at 50:45, a large supplies of heavy armaments were missing, 2 full tracks worth of company supply. Brand new donated military gear. He blames corrupted ukrainian commander for stealing it.

[Bkk Brian]

9 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Russian Commander 'Executed' Following Mass Desertions of His Unit

 

Osechkin pointed to the recent death of another former convict, Yevgeny Nuzhin, who had been recruited in July by the Wagner Group, which was founded by Putin ally Yevgeny Prigozhin.

Footage of his killing was published last month by the Wagner-linked Telegram channel Grey Zone. The clip showed an unidentified man hitting Nuzhin, 55, with a sledgehammer.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/russian-commander-killed-executed-desertions-unit-donbas-1764622

No big surprise the terrorists like to instill fear in their own too. Similar to the barbarian Wagner boss who said "Murderers and sex offenders are told they can become war heroes - or be executed for desertion"

[Bkk Brian]

A bit more background on the strikes in Russia

 

Attacks on Russian air bases put spotlight on new Ukrainian drone program

 

Explosions at two Russian air bases Monday have focused attention on Ukraine’s efforts to develop longer-range combat drones.

The Russian Defense Ministry says the attacks were carried out by Ukrainian drones, which it claims were brought down by Russian air defenses. Imagery – both satellite and photographs – indicates some damage was done to Russian military planes at one base in Ryazan region.

The two bases hit, according to the Russian Defense Ministry, are hundreds of miles inside Russian territory and beyond the reach of Ukraine’s declared arsenal of drones. No footage or images of the remnants of drones have been published.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/05/europe/ukraine-drone-russia-air-base-attacks-intl/index.html

[Denim]

3 hours ago, internationalism said:

At the end of this interview, at 50:45, a large supplies of heavy armaments were missing, 2 full tracks worth of company supply. Brand new donated military gear. He blames corrupted ukrainian commander for stealing it.

Actual account of the two missing trucks begins at 44.30 for those interested. The inference is that this is probably not an isolated occurrence .