4 hours ago, garyk said:

And the highest risk of being ripped off by the insurance companies, banks and hospitals.

Absolutely!!!  I do not give a flying F about covid, it is what garyk mentions above that I warn all my friends about.  That is the risk; that is the danger.  Not covid.  Covid is nothing compared to the greed driven abuse by the authorities and their cronies.  Anybody that comes here so long as these abuses continue is a fool and deserves everything he or she gets.  

I’m on holiday in Khao Lak and I had some stitches removed at Takua Pa government hospital yesterday, it’s a very small hospital, tiny in fact, they said they are getting more than 100 new Covid diagnoses a day, I think the real figure in thailand is >100,000 new cases/day perhaps more than double that.

14 minutes ago, Tropposurfer said:

As opposed to what?! ...  the numbers for the USA are horrific. It would seem to me its a heck of a lot safer in LOS than anywhere is the US (especially if you're black) and that includes factoring in the danger of travel on the roads here. 

According to this (7-day average) US of A itself would be classed as a Level 4 country.

https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2020/health/coronavirus-us-maps-and-cases/#!

Very few people on this board understand the purpose and the direction/information that the CDC provides….their recommendations are guidelines (not law) for businesses, companies, countries to develop and shape their own policies and programs….

 

I worked closely with the  CDC in doing exactly that for our hospital operations…it is a well respected organization that’s no nonsense, science driven and some of the best medical minds in the world…very similar to NIOSH in structure…very impressive current director with impeccable credentials….

 

CDC is a recommending body only that the USA hospitals and healthcare systems respect and absolutely no reason to question their intentions or motives…

 

if you don’t like what they say….good for you….then don’t follow   their guidelines….just don’t show your ignorance and stupidity on their advice…take it or leave it….they don’t set policy or requirements….let the Thai gov do that for you…how much was that mandatory PCT test? How much for $20K insurance? Where do I pick up that sealed van? Where do i put the empty food trays? What, No refund on the 5th day hotel cancellation? If it walks like sheep, if it behaves like sheep…..you get the drift…you should re-analyze your misplaced anger….

1 hour ago, chrisbangkok said:

Or me a fit triple vaccinated healthy guy that caught it in January . Never felt so ill in all my life . Wouldn't wish it on anyone . 2 weeks of unbelievable headaches and joint pains etc . Oh for a common cold as you put it . 

Yes, certainly is a strange one this, so much still not understood.

 

Very good friend of mine who has not taken a vaccine yet caught it over new year and only suffered extremely mild symptoms for a day.

People will still travel as long as they have the required paperwork

In place 

Will be interesting to see if Songkran is on or not ????

Payback for the Thais trying to bust sanctions on the Russkies by using the Chinese payment system instead!

There is possibly and underlying reason here as Thailand is speaking out about not condemning the Russian war and invasion of Ukraine which is murdering Ukraines citizens. 

Thailand is also not condemning the Myanmar Military murdering their citizens and it their neighbour!!! 

let the insurance scams top up with bumper paydays … 

let the hotel scams get kick started sgain 

lockdowns and more depression leading it more mental issues suicides etc

yeah lets keep the burning bush burning ..

 

No one EVER said the Vaccines were 100% effective. In fact, they've been pretty open about them NOT being 100% effective: 95%, 80%, 70%, 50%, depending. Haven't you been seeing numbers like this, all along? 

 

Well, here's a shocker: Almost no medicines are "100%"  effective! That's why ibuprofen and paracetamol exist, despite aspirin being available.  That's why there are multiple heart medications and diabetes medications and blood pressure medications and erection medications. Because what works for one doesn't necessarily work for another.

 

You see, as it turns out, THEIR chemistry has to combine and work with YOUR chemistry......... and they inconveniently don't have your particular unique chemistry to work with! So they are forced to work instead with averages and exemplars. 

 

95% essentially means that 1 in 20 are still at risk, despite being vaccinated. 90% means 1 in 10. 80% means 1 in 5. Then Delta and Omicron came along and moved the goalposts!

 

The reaction being presented here is like a gambler with a system for winning at blackjack. Suddenly, they think that because they have "a system"...... they shouldn't ever have to lose a hand, again! But that's not how it works!

 

The "system" merely gives you an advantage over the long haul; one that you may or may not be able to take advantage of. Only a fool would think you suddenly never have to lose ANY hands! 

 

Vaccines are like that. They give a huge ADVANTAGE, but they don't... and can't... provide perfect outcomes. And no one ever claimed they do. 

 

All I can say is: Anyone who feels they must judge success or failure by a standard of perfection......... must lead a truly remarkable life! 

 

Cheers! 

Anutin must have gone monkey <deleted> over this good news ...... 

Best is really, that Americans stay at home; safe, no passport, no language issue and lots of burgers and sodas. Ladies of the night in Las Vegas, same same with gambling and if they run out of cash = food stamps! 

Can it get any better, honestly? 

I thought New Zealand had for all intents and purposes "conquered" Covid. What happened - did they drop all preventive protocols and say "open the borders for all?"

Yet in the USA a thousand people die every day.  Sort of the Pot calling the Kettle black.

Considering how many people in the USA that still have not been vaccinated, it is also a

strange thing for the USA to send out such a warning. I will not venture to that country for another couple of years.

If you look at percentage of tourists compared to home country population—Americans are very much underrepresented in Thailand to begin with.  And not all that many American expats either, using the same standard.  CDC recommendations won’t affect us expats—but could damage Yankee tourism.

Now this is something that Anutin git can thump his chest and be proud of.

Pot call kettle black.

3 hours ago, Tropposurfer said:

As opposed to what?! ...  the numbers for the USA are horrific. It would seem to me its a heck of a lot safer in LOS than anywhere is the US (especially if you're black) and that includes factoring in the danger of travel on the roads here. 

You obviously don't know how Thais feel about dark Thais, let alone Blacks. 

 

There is nothing wrong with numbers out of the USA now.  Life is back to normal, more or less.

2 hours ago, Dogmatix said:

NZ also on the CDC list despite 2 years of national isolation with zero COVID policy.

Did you see latest NZ infection numbers?  Percentage wise, worse than most countries ever were, including USA.

7 hours ago, garyk said:

And the highest risk of being ripped off by the insurance companies, banks and hospitals.

The highest risk of that is in the US.

54 minutes ago, Stargeezr said:

Yet in the USA a thousand people die every day.  Sort of the Pot calling the Kettle black.

Considering how many people in the USA that still have not been vaccinated, it is also a

strange thing for the USA to send out such a warning. I will not venture to that country for another couple of years.

Let's be fair, here, eh?

 

The USA is a country with 330 million people. Racking up big "per day" numbers is consequently pretty easy. Ultimately, it would be better to compare the rate-per number: Rate-per-10,000 - - Rate-per-100,000 - - Rate-per-million. 

 

In the world, the USA is number 18, at about 2,950 Covid-19 deaths per million. (Worldometers) There are roughly 45 countries with rates higher than 2,000 per million. 

 

Now, I agree that the US putting Thailand on that list is somewhat misguided........ IF......... Thailand's numbers can be trusted. But it's NOT because the US's numbers are so horrible that they're being hypocritical! 

I take no pleasure in seeing Thailand punished, but alot of this is self inflicted. Thailand has not been able to even level the curve yet, while numbers all over the world are falling.

Is this at least partly due to the extreme lack of vision and the cheapskate mentality, that would compel them to pick the lowest efficacy vaccine on the planet, as their primary vax?

Or is it due to picking the lowest quality candidate available as health minister?

Or is it due to the highly selective shutdowns, which favored the cronies, and allowed the army bases, the canning plants, the factories, and the construction sites to become super spreader locations?

 

Whatever it is, it is not good. And with tourism on it's knees, the longer this goes on, the more Thailand is being forgotten. Quite possibly permanently.

 

 

Since, according to the article, the US is itself at level 4 by the CDC definition, why don’t they issue an advisory warning US citizens against remaining in the United States?

5 minutes ago, charmonman said:

Since, according to the article, the US is itself at level 4 by the CDC definition, why don’t they issue an advisory warning US citizens against remaining in the United States?

Cute. The numbers are dropping dramatically, all over the US. While they have gotten ahold of this thing, Thailand continues to flounder. 

5 minutes ago, charmonman said:

Since, according to the article, the US is itself at level 4 by the CDC definition, why don’t they issue an advisory warning US citizens against remaining in the United States?

Better yet, why doesn’t the CDC warn Mexico, Guatemala, Nicaragua and Honduras about the dangerous Level 4 conditions in USA?  They might stop surging the open border.

Unfortunately most of the people have had their heads stuck in the sand for so long they have no idea wether they are coming or going. Oh well if you pump the numbers up there will be countries viewing from the outside and will adjust their regulations according to the BS that is constantly pushed in front of the masses

4 hours ago, jacko45k said:

Seems more magnanimous than beating the dead humans (6 mil and counting, another 6000 yesterday), that Covid has killed, but that hasn't stopped either. 

2 years and still 99.9% of the global population still going.

However lets see the toll resulting from neglected healthcare as a result of lockdowns and restrictions...oh hang on is anyone counting ?

COVID deaths and cases in the U.S. have come down from their recent peaks, but they're hardly doing well or even "normal."

 

U.S. far from normal with Covid deaths 10 times higher than seasonal respiratory viruses, report says

 

Two dozen scientists, doctors and public health experts, in a 136-page report, said Covid is still causing an “intolerable” level of death that’s far higher than other viruses such as the flu.

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In years past, as many as 1,150 people died weekly from respiratory viruses like flu and RSV without the implementation emergency mitigation measures.

 

However, Covid’s death toll remains about 10 times higher with 12,000 people succumbing to the virus some weeks, according to the report.

 

(more)

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/07/us-far-from-normal-with-covid-deaths-10-times-higher-than-flu-rsv-report.html

I think if Thailand can treat Covid as something "fun", then more American tourists can be lured to visit!

Perhaps copy China and introduce anal swabbing to test for Covid-19, but add a "happy ending" to the procedure...

Thailand right now has a higher per capita rate of official new COVID cases than the U.S.:

 

 

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But the U.S. right now still has a much higher per capita rate of COVID deaths than Thailand, at least according to the official stats:

 

 

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