llustration depicting trans discrimination goes viral

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By Natcha Patanasophon

 

A cartoon illustration drew controversy Thursday night when an unidentified company rejected a trans woman’s application for simply being trans. Netizens began debating the policy as the cartoon went viral.

 

Contrast, a popular digital content creator, posted the new illustration on Thursday night. Contrast is widely known for their sarcastic content and they generally focus on social issues.

 

The piece raised eyebrows for accurately reflecting obstacles trans people face in the workplace.

 

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Full story: https://www.thaienquirer.com/38483/llustration-depicting-trans-discrimination-goes-viral/

 

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[TooMuchTime]

Fair game.

[rwill]

I'm not sure I ever recall seeing a male bank teller in Thailand.

[jacko45k]

Just now, rwill said:

I'm not sure I ever recall seeing a male bank teller in Thailand.

I see plenty of restrictions on job positions in Thailand, particularly the limits women appear to encounter. Surely trans will have similar issues.....or do they expect to be treated as men in this case?

[OneMoreFarang]

Why should companies not be allowed to choose who they employ?

Obviously there are job qualifications but if one person is better qualified does not mean automatically this person will be the better choice.

People in companies should work together and there are many factors which help or hurt.

If I apply for a job and the boss or HR guy doesn't like me for whatever reason why should they employ me?

And if they had to employ me for whatever legal reason would that be a fundament for working efficiently and happy together? I don't think so.

[EVENKEEL]

1 hour ago, rwill said:

I'm not sure I ever recall seeing a male bank teller in Thailand.

One, he wore lip stick. 

[hotchilli]

1 hour ago, jacko45k said:

I see plenty of restrictions on job positions in Thailand, particularly the limits women appear to encounter. Surely trans will have similar issues.....or do they expect to be treated as men in this case?

While I normally say let people be what they want to be, I have to be honest sometimes.

A "femme-boy" in our local shop dresses as a male while working, but has the largest painted eyebrows I've ever seen and bright red lipstick that doubles the size of the mouth.

He/she looks more like a circus act.

[mtraveler]

57 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Why should companies not be allowed to choose who they employ?

Obviously there are job qualifications but if one person is better qualified does not mean automatically this person will be the better choice.

People in companies should work together and there are many factors which help or hurt.

If I apply for a job and the boss or HR guy doesn't like me for whatever reason why should they employ me?

And if they had to employ me for whatever legal reason would that be a fundament for working efficiently and happy together? I don't think so.

What if the reason was because you were black?  That certainly was the case with discrimination in the US in the past, not only in employment but in accommodations of all sorts.  Read what you wrote, and consider the situation, if the applicant was a black person.  Maybe the company thinks it would be better that everyone was white.  Maybe the boss doesn't like the applicant for "whatever reason", as you say... and maybe that reason is because he/she is black.  Do you think that would be fair?

 

I think when you haven't had that shoe on and haven't walked in that shoe before, the notion of being denied employment for a reason that's not acceptable is an alien concept.  I assume that you're a white male, a person who has probably never experienced this sort of discrimination before.  I'm not judging you, just pointing out a reality.  It's hard if you haven't felt it or experienced it to appreciate the issue.  

[klauskunkel]

from the article:

One Facebook account wrote, “Regardless, it’s the company’s right. Better find a place that values you instead of criticizing the company. Every company has its own preference.”

 

 

Criticizing, scrutinizing, questioning are activities that keep a society healthy. They help prevent authoritarian rule. In Thailand these activities have been stifled to the point that society is censoring itself...

[brianthainess]

Not a young sexy female Nah can't work here same same init.

[OneMoreFarang]

1 hour ago, mtraveler said:

What if the reason was because you were black?  That certainly was the case with discrimination in the US in the past, not only in employment but in accommodations of all sorts.  Read what you wrote, and consider the situation, if the applicant was a black person.  Maybe the company thinks it would be better that everyone was white.  Maybe the boss doesn't like the applicant for "whatever reason", as you say... and maybe that reason is because he/she is black.  Do you think that would be fair?

 

I think when you haven't had that shoe on and haven't walked in that shoe before, the notion of being denied employment for a reason that's not acceptable is an alien concept.  I assume that you're a white male, a person who has probably never experienced this sort of discrimination before.  I'm not judging you, just pointing out a reality.  It's hard if you haven't felt it or experienced it to appreciate the issue.  

As far as I am concerned at least small companies should be able to decide what they want for whatever reason including race, gender, age, whatever. Nobody has the right to be employed anywhere he/she/it wants.

With large companies there might be rules. I never liked working in a large company and I don't know or care about the details.

 

You write "What if the reason was because you were black?" and you are right I am white. Let me ask: "What if the reason was because you were white and/or male?" Because it seems that is what is happening more and more. Some companies don't want white males anymore. They want women, blacks, Muslims, I guess best case is a transgender black Muslim or something similar. It happens now more and more that companies and organizations select their new employees not according to job related knowledge but because of other reasons to show that they (the company) is somehow politically correct.

 

I am all for equal opportunities but I am not for equal outcome. I.e. women and men and black, white, whatever can apply to be nurses and pilots. But a hospital does not need the same amount of male nurses than female, etc.

 

People are different in many ways. I will never get a job at hooters. Should I sue them for discrimination?

[OneMoreFarang]

1 hour ago, klauskunkel said:

Criticizing, scrutinizing, questioning are activities that keep a society healthy. They help prevent authoritarian rule. In Thailand these activities have been stifled to the point that society is censoring itself...

Look at the USA and Canada. I hope Thailand will never get as bad as they are.

[jak2002003]

24 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Look at the USA and Canada. I hope Thailand will never get as bad as they are.

I see you have a real passion for LGBQ matters and the subject is close to your heart, as you post on all threads about these subjects...usually with very long detailed posts....always AGAINST anything LGBQ. 

 

I think it's clear to everybody that your are on some kind of campaign against this group of people. 

 

In the case of the OP people should be employed for a job due to their skills, personality and ability to do the job...their sexual orientation, gender or race should not come into it.  

 

 

[OneMoreFarang]

13 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

One, he wore lip stick. 

Are you sure you are allowed to call this person "he"?

 

 

 

[placeholder]

3 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Why should companies not be allowed to choose who they employ?

Obviously there are job qualifications but if one person is better qualified does not mean automatically this person will be the better choice.

People in companies should work together and there are many factors which help or hurt.

If I apply for a job and the boss or HR guy doesn't like me for whatever reason why should they employ me?

And if they had to employ me for whatever legal reason would that be a fundament for working efficiently and happy together? I don't think so.

Like, for instance if a prospective employee had

 

40 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

As far as I am concerned at least small companies should be able to decide what they want for whatever reason including race, gender, age, whatever. Nobody has the right to be employed anywhere he/she/it wants.

With large companies there might be rules. I never liked working in a large company and I don't know or care about the details.

 

You write "What if the reason was because you were black?" and you are right I am white. Let me ask: "What if the reason was because you were white and/or male?" Because it seems that is what is happening more and more. Some companies don't want white males anymore. They want women, blacks, Muslims, I guess best case is a transgender black Muslim or something similar. It happens now more and more that companies and organizations select their new employees not according to job related knowledge but because of other reasons to show that they (the company) is somehow politically correct.

 

I am all for equal opportunities but I am not for equal outcome. I.e. women and men and black, white, whatever can apply to be nurses and pilots. But a hospital does not need the same amount of male nurses than female, etc.

 

People are different in many ways. I will never get a job at hooters. Should I sue them for discrimination?

On the one hand you claim that companies should be allowed to discriminate on the basis of "race, gender, age, whatever."

On the other hand you write "I am all for equal opportunities but I am not for equal outcome."

It seems like you are badly confused.

 

But I did enjoy the note of whining self pity "Some companies don't want white males anymore." It is to laugh.

[OneMoreFarang]

12 minutes ago, jak2002003 said:

In the case of the OP people should be employed for a job due to their skills, personality and ability to do the job...their sexual orientation, gender or race should not come into it.  

Is their personality not related to their gender? If you have a web developer sitting alone at home then this all doesn't matter. But if a team works together then it matters that they work smoothly together. Obviously there might be women and men and trans and gays and whatever in one team and maybe they work just fine together. But maybe there is a team i.e. of a couple of mechanics repairing cars. Should the boss add a trans person to that team no matter what? Or should the responsible boss/manager look that the new person will fit into the existing team? 

This is of course only an example and there might be a car mechanic team somewhere in this world who welcomes a trans person.

[OneMoreFarang]

10 minutes ago, placeholder said:

But I did enjoy the note of whining self pity "Some companies don't want white males anymore." It is to laugh.

Maybe you think this is laughable. I think it's sad.

Recently I spoke with a Dr. engineer who told me that he spoke to universities who try to fill up as many positions as possible with blacks, gays, trans, etc. ore of less independent of their qualification. Because that makes the university look good in the eyes of some people.

Another reason they do this is to be able to hire a top qualified person for the top job - even if that top qualified person is white and male.

 

I am qualified and I have enough work and opportunities so for me personally it doesn't matter. But I think it's sad to see how crazy this world is already and it's even worse to see that the situation gets worse all the time.

[placeholder]

12 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Maybe you think this is laughable. I think it's sad.

Recently I spoke with a Dr. engineer who told me that he spoke to universities who try to fill up as many positions as possible with blacks, gays, trans, etc. ore of less independent of their qualification. Because that makes the university look good in the eyes of some people.

Another reason they do this is to be able to hire a top qualified person for the top job - even if that top qualified person is white and male.

 

I am qualified and I have enough work and opportunities so for me personally it doesn't matter. But I think it's sad to see how crazy this world is already and it's even worse to see that the situation gets worse all the time.

Even if your statement about Universitie is true, what you wrote was "Some companies don't want white males anymore."  This is the first time I've ever seen that "company" apparently means "university".

 

And I notice you have no defense for your obviously ridiculous contradictory stances supporting the right of companies to discriminate based on "race, gender, age, whatever" and your alleged support of equal opportunity: "I am all for equal opportunities..."

[OneMoreFarang]

8 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Even if your statement about Universitie is true, what you wrote was "Some companies don't want white males anymore."  This is the first time I've ever seen that "company" apparently means "university".

 

And I notice you have no defense for your obviously ridiculous contradictory stances supporting the right of companies to discriminate based on "race, gender, age, whatever" and your alleged support of equal opportunity: "I am all for equal opportunities..."

 

[placeholder]

4 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

So far, you have offered no proof that you can explain it.

And the use of an all-purpose meme further calls into question your powers of reasoning.

[mtraveler]

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

As far as I am concerned at least small companies should be able to decide what they want for whatever reason including race, gender, age, whatever. Nobody has the right to be employed anywhere he/she/it wants.

With large companies there might be rules. I never liked working in a large company and I don't know or care about the details.

 

You write "What if the reason was because you were black?" and you are right I am white. Let me ask: "What if the reason was because you were white and/or male?" Because it seems that is what is happening more and more. Some companies don't want white males anymore. They want women, blacks, Muslims, I guess best case is a transgender black Muslim or something similar. It happens now more and more that companies and organizations select their new employees not according to job related knowledge but because of other reasons to show that they (the company) is somehow politically correct.

 

I am all for equal opportunities but I am not for equal outcome. I.e. women and men and black, white, whatever can apply to be nurses and pilots. But a hospital does not need the same amount of male nurses than female, etc.

 

People are different in many ways. I will never get a job at hooters. Should I sue them for discrimination?

All I can say about this is:  I'm sure you weren't whining about the unfairness of it all when Blacks, women, and other minorities were discriminated against while trying to get a job (not to mention other things denied them).  But now that some white males are receiving a bit of resistance because the pendulum is now swinging back to find equality (because companies wouldn't do it on their own .... and exactly because they think like you, ie, that they should be allowed to discriminate against groups of people according to their personal preferences), you're caterwauling about the unfairness of it all.  

 

I was 9 years old when the Voting Rights Act was finally passed, 10 years old when there were protests in Birmingham, that woke the country to the mistreatment of Black people.  13 years old when Blacks and Whites could actually marry in the USA.  The Equal Rights Amendment is still in limbo, giving both sexes equal rights.  And it took until last week for a law to be passed to make lynching a hate crime.  Discrimination is not ancient history.  It happened in our lifetimes, and the battle still continues.  

 

You can't cry about the unfairness of inequality to White Males after they held the upper hand for hundreds of years.  Payback is, as they say, a female dog.  

[OneMoreFarang]

19 minutes ago, mtraveler said:

All I can say about this is:  I'm sure you weren't whining about the unfairness of it all when Blacks, women, and other minorities were discriminated against while trying to get a job (not to mention other things denied them).  But now that some white males are receiving a bit of resistance because the pendulum is now swinging back to find equality (because companies wouldn't do it on their own .... and exactly because they think like you, ie, that they should be allowed to discriminate against groups of people according to their personal preferences), you're caterwauling about the unfairness of it all.  

 

I was 9 years old when the Voting Rights Act was finally passed, 10 years old when there were protests in Birmingham, that woke the country to the mistreatment of Black people.  13 years old when Blacks and Whites could actually marry in the USA.  The Equal Rights Amendment is still in limbo, giving both sexes equal rights.  And it took until last week for a law to be passed to make lynching a hate crime.  Discrimination is not ancient history.  It happened in our lifetimes, and the battle still continues.  

 

You can't cry about the unfairness of inequality to White Males after they held the upper hand for hundreds of years.  Payback is, as they say, a female dog.  

I am not whining. 

I work with lots of people in lots of companies with any color, age, gender, whatever. I have no problem with any of them.

The USA has a history of suppression of black people. Many other countries don't have that problem.

 

Especially your last sentence is revealing. Do you want fairness? Or do think that is is payback time for women and black people and maybe others because some people didn't treat them as equal in the past?
Payback does absolutely not sound fair and it does not make the situation any better. In fact payback is the kind of behavior which makes the situation worse. But maybe that is what some activists want so they can be activists forever.

 

[gamb00ler]

6 hours ago, rwill said:

I'm not sure I ever recall seeing a male bank teller in Thailand.

Bangkok Bank @Big C Hang Dong...if you really need to see one.

[Liverpool Lou]

4 hours ago, hotchilli said:

A "femme-boy" in our local shop dresses as a male while working, but has the largest painted eyebrows I've ever seen and bright red lipstick that doubles the size of the mouth.

Judging by the detailed comment he sure seems to have got your attention, though!

[Liverpool Lou]

1 hour ago, jak2002003 said:

I see you have a real passion for LGBQ matters and the subject is close to your heart, as you post on all threads about these subjects...usually with very long detailed posts....always AGAINST anything LGBQ. 

 

I think it's clear to everybody that your are on some kind of campaign against this group of people. 

That would be his prerogative and, so what, if he is on some kind of campaign, isn't that his (and my) right?   

[Liverpool Lou]

1 hour ago, jak2002003 said:

In the case of the OP people should be employed for a job due to their skills, personality and ability to do the job...their sexual orientation, gender or race should not come into it.  

The presentation of that person to the company's customers if he was, potentially, to be in that position, comes into it!

[Bluespunk]

10 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Are you sure you are allowed to call this person "he"?

 

 

 

It’s not a matter of “allowed” or not allowed but rather respecting a person’s preferences regarding the pronoun they wish to be used when referring to them. 
 

 

[Liverpool Lou]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Maybe you think this is laughable. I think it's sad.

Recently I spoke with a Dr. engineer who told me that he spoke to universities who try to fill up as many positions as possible with blacks, gays, trans, etc. ore of less independent of their qualification. Because that makes the university look good in the eyes of some people.

Another reason they do this is to be able to hire a top qualified person for the top job - even if that top qualified person is white and male.

 

I am qualified and I have enough work and opportunities so for me personally it doesn't matter. But I think it's sad to see how crazy this world is already and it's even worse to see that the situation gets worse all the time.

Expand  

Even if your statement about Universitie is true,

It is, in the US, and it has been well documented and reported, it's called "affirmative action".

Edited March 12, 2022 by Liverpool Lou

[placeholder]

7 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

That would be his prerogative and, so what, if he is on some kind of campaign, isn't that his (and my) right?   

It's his and your right to have that agenda. The problem is when that same agenda fuels the actions of employers to actually deprive others of equal opportunities. Equal opportunity is what your ally rather claims to support even though he specifically contradicted that right in the very same post.

[placeholder]

3 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

It is, in the US, and it has been well documented and reported, it's called "affirmative action".

But the question is whether or not there also simultaneously exists affirmative discrimination. And, of course, as I pointed out, he cited Universities to support his claim the companies discriminate against white men. You ever hear of a university being called a company?