Electric Vehicles in Thailand

[JBChiangRai]

19 hours ago, matchar said:

https://www.car250.com/mg4-th-2024-1.html

 

Another price cut by MG as I expected.

 

All of the early adopters rushing to buy at the end of last year are looking rather foolish now...

 

18 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

Everyone that bought an EV?

Is there a prize 🏆 for the correct answer?

I think you’ll find most EV drivers are very happy with their cars.

 

6 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

A serious discount on a serious car.

 

Discount 830,000 ! Official price Mercedes-Benz E 300 e Plug-in Hybrid : 2,790,000 – 3,190,000 baht | Motor Show 2024 campaign.

 

 

In Europe the new version of the E Class is on sale, this campaign is on the old model, which I prefer.  I think the dashboard on this model is superb.

 

The manufacturers all seem to be in panic mode.

 

 

[Andrew Dwyer]

7 hours ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

Obviously you should be writing him and the source and edumacating him... Please post your supporting link that what he stated is false.

Here is an independent report on the statement that ev’s pollute more via their brake and tyre wear.

 

https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/electric-cars/running/do-electric-vehicles-produce-more-tyre-and-brake-pollution-than-petrol-and/

[Bandersnatch]

1 hour ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

Here is an independent report on the statement that ev’s pollute more via their brake and tyre wear.

 

https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/electric-cars/running/do-electric-vehicles-produce-more-tyre-and-brake-pollution-than-petrol-and/

 

Excellent article that actually referenced the article from the earlier post (now removed)

 

They said that if the press release by Emissions Analytics was correct "tyres would be bald in less than 1,358 miles, or two months’ worth of driving for the average UK driver"

 

 

[Andrew Dwyer]

20 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

 

Excellent article that actually referenced the article from the earlier post (now removed)

 

They said that if the press release by Emissions Analytics was correct "tyres would be bald in less than 1,358 miles, or two months’ worth of driving for the average UK driver"

 

 

And “ running on it’s alloys in 4,000 miles “ !!

 

Laughed out loud at that 😀

[GroveHillWanderer]

On 3/6/2024 at 4:36 PM, Andrew Dwyer said:

Here is an independent report on the statement that ev’s pollute more via their brake and tyre wear.

 

https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/electric-cars/running/do-electric-vehicles-produce-more-tyre-and-brake-pollution-than-petrol-and/

 

Here's another analysis of the issue.

 

Do electric cars have an air pollution problem?

 

Its overall findings:

 

"The study found heavier electric cars cause marginally more road and tyre wear for the larger PM 10 particles and the smaller PM 2.5. Yet once engine pollution is added in, petrol and diesel cars were marginally worse."

[Pib]

 

Keep in mind there are two types of pollutants: gaseous and particulate.   Tire particulate pollution as being talked occurs as vehicles roll down.   

 

And of course if you want to go back upstream the manufacturing of tires causes more particulate pollution along with gaseous pollution.

 

 

[ExpatOilWorker]

On 3/5/2024 at 4:42 PM, vinny41 said:

I expect Ursula will follow Biden plan to stop import of all EV's regardless of where they are made unless they are made from European parts

But administration officials made clear it was the first step in what could be a wide range of policy responses meant to stop low-cost Chinese electric vehicles — either manufactured in China or assembled by Chinese companies in countries like Mexico — from flooding the U.S. market and potentially driving domestic automakers out of business.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/29/us/politics/biden-chinese-electric-vehicles.html

Vinny41, you were right...again!

How do you do it?

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/eu-set-allow-possible-retroactive-tariffs-chinese-evs-2024-03-05/

[vinny41]

20 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

Vinny41, you were right...again!

How do you do it?

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/eu-set-allow-possible-retroactive-tariffs-chinese-evs-2024-03-05/

A number of Chinese EV brands are looking to setup factories in Turkey

Turkey Labour rates are lower than the EU countries

And since Turkey is part of  European Union's customs union no additional tariffs for vehicles going from Turkiye to EU market

Turkiye has something that the EU doesn't want 5 Million migrants all wanting to leave Turkey and enter Europe

Edited March 8 by vinny41
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[ExpatOilWorker]

23 hours ago, Pib said:

 

Keep in mind there are two types of pollutants: gaseous and particulate.   Tire particulate pollution as being talked occurs as vehicles roll down.   

 

And of course if you want to go back upstream the manufacturing of tires causes more particulate pollution along with gaseous pollution.

 

 

It is all good, as long as you don't live next to a BYD factory. 

 

https://archive.ph/FHVmi

[Pib]

Living next to a factory/refinery/pig farm/etc.,...regardless of what its making...is something I hope I never have to experience.  Just too many possible pollutants that can appear in the air, soil, and/or water....and even if the pollutants are supposedly within safe limits a person will always have the feeling that maybe those govt limits are not really safe or are not accurate. 

[josephbloggs]

I saw an Ora Lightning Cat on the road yesterday. Verdict: ugly as Hell. Very frumpy, and looked as though someone had been rummaging in the Porsche/VW parts bin, joined a few bits together and then stuck some Bentley rear lights on.

BYDs, Deepals, generally look bespoke and very very nicely designed. This just looks like a hodgepodge of copied bits of other cars, not impressed.

[Bandersnatch]

1 hour ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

It is all good, as long as you don't live next to a BYD factory. 

 

https://archive.ph/FHVmi

 

Posting links to “archived” sites generally means that the original has been removed, wonder why 🤔

[Pib]

11 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

 

Posting links to “archived” sites generally means that the original has been removed, wonder why 🤔

Sometimes it just means it was an article  originally from a Paywall website as articles from such Paywall sites can be archived to certain archive sites and then magically the article can be read on that archive site without hitting a paywall.    Below is "just an example" of many such websites to further explain how archive sites get around Paywalls....and of course if the article is not on any archive website then the article is still only available on the original Paywall site.

 

 

https://www.removepaywall.com/

Edited March 9 by Pib

[ExpatOilWorker]

4 hours ago, Pib said:

Living next to a factory/refinery/pig farm/etc.,...regardless of what its making...is something I hope I never have to experience.  Just too many possible pollutants that can appear in the air, soil, and/or water....and even if the pollutants are supposedly within safe limits a person will always have the feeling that maybe those govt limits are not really safe or are not accurate. 

Living next to Union Carbide in Bhopal sure wasn't the best idea and yes, refineries do stink.

[Andrew Dwyer]

MG ZS EV X Sunroof special edition to celebrate 100 years of MG.

899,900 baht ( 29,100 below usual price ) with a 100 years anniversary badge ( cue Transman ! )

Comes only in silver with black interior.

 

https://autolifethailand.tv/official-price-mg-zs-ev-100th-anniversary/

[macahoom]

24 minutes ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

MG ZS EV X Sunroof special edition to celebrate 100 years of MG.

899,900 baht ( 29,100 below usual price ) with a 100 years anniversary badge ( cue Transman ! )

Comes only in silver with black interior.

 

https://autolifethailand.tv/official-price-mg-zs-ev-100th-anniversary/

 

Now look what you’ve done announcing that MG have just launched a 100th Anniversary Special Edition ZS EV!

 

It will give Transman the opportunity to reignite his one-man crusade, the purpose of which is remind us all about 1924, Morris Garages, performance rides, heritage, Union Jack flags on the boot/trunk door and the sacred British iconic MG name - and how we've all been duped by those devious, crafty Chinese into believing MG is still a British company.

 

A worthy cause indeed and I, for one, wish him all the success he deserves for his endeavours. He's earned it. 

 

I’ve already written to my member of parliament in the UK and I encourage all true Brits to do the same!

[JBChiangRai]

44 minutes ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

MG ZS EV X Sunroof special edition to celebrate 100 years of MG.

899,900 baht ( 29,100 below usual price ) with a 100 years anniversary badge ( cue Transman ! )

Comes only in silver with black interior.

 

https://autolifethailand.tv/official-price-mg-zs-ev-100th-anniversary/

Transman, come out, come out wherever you are

[Andrew Dwyer]

MG4 X Power coming soon, price to be announced at Motor Show.

( my money is on 1,199,000 😀 )

 

https://autolifethailand.tv/spec-unofficial-price-mg4-x-power-thailand/

[Bandersnatch]

16 minutes ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

MG4 X Power coming soon, price to be announced at Motor Show.

( my money is on 1,199,000 😀 )

 

https://autolifethailand.tv/spec-unofficial-price-mg4-x-power-thailand/

 

Interesting that many reviewers suggest that the entry level MG4s are the best value for money.

 

The X-Power has the same performance as a BYD Seal AWD but most reviewers state that apart from the 0-60 time it’s not much different to a regular MG4

 

The green colour is an expensive add on.

 

Having said that I bet it will surprise a few performance cars at the lights. 

[JBChiangRai]

41 minutes ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

MG4 X Power coming soon, price to be announced at Motor Show.

( my money is on 1,199,000 😀 )

 

https://autolifethailand.tv/spec-unofficial-price-mg4-x-power-thailand/

 

1,199,000 would make it very expensive compared with the D and X, if it drives anything like the standard models it will be a fantastic hot hatch.

[Andrew Dwyer]

4 hours ago, Bandersnatch said:

 

Interesting that many reviewers suggest that the entry level MG4s are the best value for money.

 

The X-Power has the same performance as a BYD Seal AWD but most reviewers state that apart from the 0-60 time it’s not much different to a regular MG4

 

The green colour is an expensive add on.

 

Having said that I bet it will surprise a few performance cars at the lights. 

300k more than the X and a NMC battery might put some off.

[KhunLA]

Don't know if anyone posted this yet. but besides making Horizon's Neta v, the PTT's subsidiary Arun Plus, will also be making 2 more brands of electric vehicles (EVs) – ZEEKR and XPENG

 

PTT being the state owned oil company, in case you think EVs are just a fad in TH.   

Yea ... let  that one sink in, take as long as you need

 

PTT ... Petrol & CSs, (mini malls) battery manufacturer and 3 different makes of EVs .. so far.

Edited March 11 by KhunLA

[Andrew Dwyer]

Following the Neta theme:

 

https://carnewschina.com/2024/03/08/netas-indonesia-plant-set-for-vehicles-to-roll-off-the-assembly-line-next-month/

 

What about the Thai Neta factory ?

 

https://www.neta.co.th/en/news/brands-pr-news/NetaVll_factory

 

Looks like the Thai Neta factory will concentrate on the release of Neta V II  anytime now.

The first car off the production line was a Neta V II back in Nov 2023

Edited March 11 by Andrew Dwyer

[mistral53]

Does anybody else follow this company on FB? Quite impressive what they do with their EV tear downs to become a 3rd party service center.

 

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100095486864026

 

Interesting tidbit on BYD: although BYD is known for being heavily vertically integrated, they don't shy away from using 3rd party systems (this one is the Atto 3) even more strange is that they marry ZF and their own sub-assembly together. And for the haters: ZF is a well known, high quality German company - how does that fit into the narrative of cheap Chinese cars?  😇

[Andrew Dwyer]

Xpeng G6 SUV Coupe coming to the Motor Show this month.

 

 

 

 

1 x RWD Long Range LFP battery 580km CLTC

1 x RWD Super Long Range NMC battery 755km CLTC

1 x AWD  Performance NMC battery 700km range

Great luggage storage 571 litres, a good choice of colours both external and internal, panoramic glass roof and…..

 

“ XPeng G6 is 100% electric train. Developed on the SEPA 2.0 platform and powered by 800V technology, the SUV Coupe's body is equipped with Xpeng Navigation Guided Pilot (XNGP) or ADAS (Advanced Driver Assistance Systems) consisting of 31 sensors and 2 LiDARs, as well as computing power up to 508 TOPS (Trillion Operations Per S econd) from the high-speed processor of Dual NVIDIA DRIVE Orin-X. “ …….. well I’m impressed  !

 

https://autolifethailand.tv/xpeng-g6-ev-bev-suv-thailand-mar-2024-motor-show/

 

 

 

[Andrew Dwyer]

Or how about this, also coming to the Motor Show later this month:

Aion Hyper HT

 

 

3 x RWD models up to 770km range CLTC .

Another great luggage capacity 670 litres with a 55 litre frunk, a glass pano roof but no mention of battery chemistry.
 

https://autolifethailand.tv/aion-hyper-ht-ev-bev-coming-thailand-mar-2024/

 

 

[GroveHillWanderer]

4 hours ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

Xpeng G6 SUV Coupe coming to the Motor Show this month.

 

 

 

 

1 x RWD Long Range LFP battery 580km CLTC

1 x RWD Super Long Range NMC battery 755km CLTC

1 x AWD  Performance NMC battery 700km range

Great luggage storage 571 litres, a good choice of colours both external and internal, panoramic glass roof and…..

 

“ XPeng G6 is 100% electric train. Developed on the SEPA 2.0 platform and powered by 800V technology, the SUV Coupe's body is equipped with Xpeng Navigation Guided Pilot (XNGP) or ADAS (Advanced Driver Assistance Systems) consisting of 31 sensors and 2 LiDARs, as well as computing power up to 508 TOPS (Trillion Operations Per S econd) from the high-speed processor of Dual NVIDIA DRIVE Orin-X. “ …….. well I’m impressed  !

 

https://autolifethailand.tv/xpeng-g6-ev-bev-suv-thailand-mar-2024-motor-show/

 

 

 

Those are some impressive figures. I wonder what it'll cost here. Online sources say it goes for between US$28,900 to $38,000 in China. So starting price there equivalent to around 1 million baht.

Edited March 14 by GroveHillWanderer

[ExpatOilWorker]

2 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

Those are some impressive figures. I wonder what it'll cost here. Online sources say it goes for between US$28,900 to $38,000 in China. So starting price there equivalent to around 1 million baht.

You should get one before they go out of business. They are losing a couple of $ billion every year, but make it up by expanding their business. 

 

[HighPriority]

Straight to the heart of the matter… 🦃

[JBChiangRai]

12 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

You should get one before they go out of business. They are losing a couple of $ billion every year, but make it up by expanding their business. 

 

 

Tesla lost money for many years, it's not unusual.