Electric Vehicles in Thailand

[JBChiangRai]

58 minutes ago, idealistic123 said:

 

Following up on this topic and to get some real world experience I just picked up a BYD Atto 3 for the next three days.

 

Just drove back to Pattaya from Suvarnabhumi and also charged for the first time at a PEA Volta station. Setting up all the apps is a bit of a hassle at first. But I guess once you're all set it's nothing to worry about anymore. 

What I'm worried about though is the availabilty of vacant chargers . At the two EV Stations close to my new house that I mentioned above there are only four chargers in total. I passed them twice today and both times all were occupied. 

 

Tonight I will give the granny charging a try. 

Enjoy the next three days, and I hope you can find time to post a review and what your opinions were

[JBChiangRai]

1 hour ago, Niltava said:

This morning I did a test drive of the Volvo EX30 (Ultra, single motor, extended range).

 

This is the first time I have driven an EV and it was certainly a very impressive, refined car.  The acceleration is quite something.

 

If you like the single motor, you are going to love the dual motor!

[ExpatOilWorker]

4 hours ago, KhunLA said:

I just prefer not to give them money for something that is going to get burned up to nothing, and degrade other parts of the car in the process.  Petroleum products/byproducts are an almost necessity in life, unless going Amish, and I wouldn't do that to horses here.  Brutally hot, and that would be cruel.

 

Would be pretty cool though, as I'm almost in a '15 mins city' scenario.  Makro is only 3 kms away, 7-11 even closer.  Been a few decades since I had access to horses.

The Bimmer will be rolling by Saturday morning so you might wake up to the roaring in-line 6 cylinders.

We will be stopping at this PTT (https://maps.app.goo.gl/7wvDmAo7jiYMJi157) to top up the 750 kWh power pack, offload some vomit and have breakfast at the Black Canyon, if you want to meet the EOW clan.

The vomit is from the two years old, she doesn't yet fully appreciate the smooth Bimmer ride.

[transam]

1 minute ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

The Bimmer will be rolling by Saturday morning so you might wake up to the roaring in-line 6 cylinders.

We will be stopping at this PTT (https://maps.app.goo.gl/7wvDmAo7jiYMJi157) to top up the 750 kWh power pack, offload some vomit and have breakfast at the Black Canyon, if you want to meet the EOW clan.

The vomit is from the two years old, she doesn't yet fully appreciate the smooth Bimmer ride.

I don't think an MG will have the front to park next to a BMW, it makes them feel inferior....😂

[KhunLA]

11 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

The Bimmer will be rolling by Saturday morning so you might wake up to the roaring in-line 6 cylinders.

We will be stopping at this PTT (https://maps.app.goo.gl/7wvDmAo7jiYMJi157) to top up the 750 kWh power pack, offload some vomit and have breakfast at the Black Canyon, if you want to meet the EOW clan.

The vomit is from the two years old, she doesn't yet fully appreciate the smooth Bimmer ride.

Whoa ... that's 40 kms south of us.  Was down that way the other day.

 

Tomorrow MG is going in for a check up, as the doors aren't auto locking once rolling along.  Used to self lock at about 15 kph.

[KhunLA]

15 minutes ago, transam said:

I don't think an MG will have the front to park next to a BMW, it makes them feel inferior....😂

Nothing makes me feel inferior ... 

[transam]

1 minute ago, KhunLA said:

Nothing makes me feel inferior ... 

I don't doubt that...........🤭

[ExpatOilWorker]

9 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Whoa ... that's 40 kms south of us.  Was down that way the other day.

 

Tomorrow MG is going in for a check up, as the doors aren't auto locking once rolling along.  Used to self lock at about 15 kph.

Yeah, it is our favorite PTT, it is exactly 100π or 314 km from Bangkok.

[Bandersnatch]

EV Registrations March

[josephbloggs]

3 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

If you like the single motor, you are going to love the dual motor!

Yes indeed. I was talking to a friend last week who has one and he says it is absolutely unbelievable.  

[ExpatOilWorker]

30 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

EV Registrations March

@JBChiangRai did summer just arrive?

Ohhhh, sorry Goggles new personalized AI search engine must have misinterpreted my "two swallows" search!

[ExpatOilWorker]

13 hours ago, Bandersnatch said:

 

So March was a bad month for all car sales in Thailand, but worse for ICE cars as the relentless growth of EVs here replace ICE cars. 

Keep on dreaming. EV sales were exactly 10.6% of total sales both in February and March, 2024.

Legacy auto manufacturers are doing great 👍,  thanks for asking.

Total Returns over last year...

Toyota: +71%

Stellantis: +65%

Ferrari: +56%

Honda: +40%

GM: +24%

BMW: +14%

Ford: +13%

Mercedes-Benz: +11%

Tesla: -20%

 

[Bandersnatch]

1 hour ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

Keep on dreaming. EV sales were exactly 10.6% of total sales both in February and March, 2024.

Legacy auto manufacturers are doing great 👍,  thanks for asking.

Total Returns over last year...

Toyota: +71%

Stellantis: +65%

Ferrari: +56%

Honda: +40%

GM: +24%

BMW: +14%

Ford: +13%

Mercedes-Benz: +11%

Tesla: -20%

 

 

What a Muppet! 
 

He thinks Stellantis sales in Thailand increased 65%
 

😂

 

[Pib]

1 hour ago, Bandersnatch said:

EV Registrations March

 

From looking at the full article/numbers and comparing that to the DLT data/spreadsheet appears autolifethailand is now also counting some 100% electric vehicles outside of only the RY1 category of private vehicle not exceeding 7 passengers like the RY6 category of passenger vehicle for hire not exceeding 7 passengers.

 

https://autolifethailand.tv/ev-register-march-2024-thailand/

[ExpatOilWorker]

8 hours ago, Bandersnatch said:

 

What a Muppet! 
 

He thinks Stellantis sales in Thailand increased 65%
 

😂

 

Let's keep the name calling for the kindergarten and focus on the EV sales numbers y-o-y:

January: +352.5%

February: -33.9%

March: -19.5%

 

The honeymoon period is over for EVs.

[Bandersnatch]

27 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

Let's keep the name calling for the kindergarten and focus on the EV sales numbers y-o-y:

January: +352.5%

February: -33.9%

March: -19.5%

 

The honeymoon period is over for EVs.

 

 

 

Reminder (Again): This is a discussion about EVs in Thailand.

 

If you want to bash EVs in general save that for the EVs v ICE discussion

 

If you don’t want to be mocked and ridiculed in this discussion then don’t post some random data that you are trying to pass off as Thailand data.

 

Always post links so what you post can be fact checked, otherwise nobody will take anything you say seriously.

[JBChiangRai]

12 hours ago, transam said:

I don't think an MG will have the front to park next to a BMW, it makes them feel inferior....😂

 

I feel sorry for the BMW's I see, they drive a far inferior car to an EV.

 

10 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

@JBChiangRai did summer just arrive?

Ohhhh, sorry Goggles new personalized AI search engine must have misinterpreted my "two swallows" search!

 

45 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

Let's keep the name calling for the kindergarten and focus on the EV sales numbers y-o-y:

January: +352.5%

February: -33.9%

March: -19.5%

 

The honeymoon period is over for EVs.

 

Sorry to call your post Nonsense.

 

What is important is customer behaviour, the fact is the percentage of people choosing EV over the percentage of people choosing ICE is up by approximately 10%.

 

EV adoption is accelerating, no swallows here Sunshine!

[JBChiangRai]

15 hours ago, Niltava said:

This morning I did a test drive of the Volvo EX30 (Ultra, single motor, extended range).

 

This is the first time I have driven an EV and it was certainly a very impressive, refined car.  The acceleration is quite something.

 

Talking to the sale rep, one thing that I was surprised to learn was that they claim that a replacement for the whole of the battery would cost about THB 80,000 (eighty thousand baht).  I double checked with him about this, infact I triple checked and he said this was the right figure.  He told me that the battery comes in 4 sections that can be replaced individually, each one costing about THB 20k. Can this be correct?  I was under the impression that a EV battery makes up a substantial portion of the car's cost, so clearly this seems a bit odd.

 

N

 

Whilst I think the Volvo is a fine car, I think it's poor value compared to other EV's on the market.  It's best not to be blinded by the badge, it's from the same country as BYD.

[vinny41]

February 2024 registrations January Sales

Total number of R.Y.1 Private passenger car with no more than 7 people 48,774 all fuel types

Total number of R.Y.1 Private passenger car with no more than 7 people EVs  3,530  approx market share 7.3%

https://web.dlt.go.th/statistics/

[vinny41]

16 hours ago, Niltava said:

This morning I did a test drive of the Volvo EX30 (Ultra, single motor, extended range).

 

This is the first time I have driven an EV and it was certainly a very impressive, refined car.  The acceleration is quite something.

 

Talking to the sale rep, one thing that I was surprised to learn was that they claim that a replacement for the whole of the battery would cost about THB 80,000 (eighty thousand baht).  I double checked with him about this, infact I triple checked and he said this was the right figure.  He told me that the battery comes in 4 sections that can be replaced individually, each one costing about THB 20k. Can this be correct?  I was under the impression that a EV battery makes up a substantial portion of the car's cost, so clearly this seems a bit odd.

 

N

 I have seen reports of MG ZS EV battery module being available for B75K I think the total number of battery modules are 6

There is a company in Canada selling EX30 battery modules for B315,489

https://www.volvocarstorontoparts.ca/p/Volvo__EX30/Cell-Modules--High-Voltage-Battery-Outer-CELL-MODULE--EXCH/133967523/36012112.html

[Sophon]

13 hours ago, transam said:

I don't think an MG will have the front to park next to a BMW, it makes them feel inferior....😂

 

If your feeling of self worth is tied up in the car you own, then you really are a sad person.

[JBChiangRai]

21 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

February 2024 registrations January Sales

Total number of R.Y.1 Private passenger car with no more than 7 people 48,774 all fuel types

Total number of R.Y.1 Private passenger car with no more than 7 people EVs  3,530  approx market share 7.3%

https://web.dlt.go.th/statistics/

 

I think we should stick to a single source of statistics, so we're comparing apples to apples, let's not start to try to compare apples to pears

[KhunLA]

48 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Whilst I think the Volvo is a fine car, I think it's poor value compared to other EV's on the market.  It's best not to be blinded by the badge, it's from the same country as BYD.

Volvo single motor (LFP) spec'd (battery & range (WLTP), about the same as MG ZS, although much peppier off the line.   Would think fit & finish a bit more refined for the price point.

 

Partnership with CH's Greely manufacturer.

[vinny41]

4 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

I think we should stick to a single source of statistics, so we're comparing apples to apples, let's not start to try to compare apples to pears

This website https://web.dlt.go.th/statistics/

is the DLT  which is the same source that autolifethailand is using except for their figures that are taking 

 R.Y.1 Private passenger car with no more than 7 people plus R.Y.6 Vehicles for hire carrying no more than 7 passengers plus an unknown vehicle class or classes  as there is 11 vehicles missing

Someone asked me once do I believe everything that journalist writes it does help when  you understand how they are producing figures

[KhunLA]

29 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

 I have seen reports of MG ZS EV battery module being available for B75K I think the total number of battery modules are 6

At that price, might replace 1 or 2 modules, but not the whole pack, as would mean the car is already 8+ yrs old, so just buy a new EV, and start at -0- kms.

 

Would think in 6.5 more years, that price would even be much less.

[ExpatOilWorker]

13 hours ago, transam said:

I don't think an MG will have the front to park next to a BMW, it makes them feel inferior....😂

I will help him cut a few Coke Zero cans and stick them on as exhaust pipes, so the MG doesn't feel so naked next to the Bimmer. 

 

[transam]

1 hour ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

Whilst I think the Volvo is a fine car, I think it's poor value compared to other EV's on the market.  It's best not to be blinded by the badge, it's from the same country as BYD.

............and MG..........🤭

[vinny41]

9 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

At that price, might replace 1 or 2 modules, but not the whole pack, as would mean the car is already 8+ yrs old, so just buy a new EV, and start at -0- kms.

 

Would think in 6.5 more years, that price would even be much less.

I must admit I don't really understand why modular batteries aren't used in more models

For yourself if you see battery degradation in one module you can make the choice accept the  reduce range or replace the faulty module

[transam]

36 minutes ago, Sophon said:

 

If your feeling of self worth is tied up in the car you own, then you really are a sad person.

I don't own a car, but what about your Honda Click.........

[JBChiangRai]

42 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

Whilst I think the Volvo is a fine car, I think it's poor value compared to other EV's on the market.  It's best not to be blinded by the badge, it's from the same country as BYD.

 

I asked CoPilot to compare the Volvo EX30 dual motor with the MG4 X-Power, it got the performance figures wrong which I corrected to 3.8 seconds, but otherwise I think they are similar size, performance and same segment although the X-Power is 37% cheaper.

 

Let’s compare the Volvo EX30 Twin Motor Performance and the MG4 XPOWER electric hatchbacks. Here are the key differences between these two models:

1. Size and Dimensions:

   • Both the MG4 XPOWER and the Volvo EX30 are practical for their class. They are built on dedicated EV platforms, allowing for greater interior space relative to their external footprint.
   • The MG4 XPOWER is longer by 54 mm, while the Volvo EX30 is wider by 33 mm¹.

2. Range and Performance:

   • On paper, the Volvo EX30 offers more claimed WLTP range (additional 75 km) and is also more efficient than the MG4 XPOWER, despite being 65 kg heavier.
   • The Volvo EX30 Twin Motor Performance accelerates from 0 to 100 km/h in 3.6 seconds, outperforming the MG4 XPOWER (which takes 3.8 7.9 seconds)¹.

3. Battery and Charging:

   • The MG4 XPOWER offers slightly faster DC charging than the Volvo EX30.
   • Only the MG4 XPOWER features V2L (Vehicle-to-Load) capability, allowing you to use the car’s battery as a mobile power bank. This feature can be useful for camping, road trips, and emergencies¹.

4. Driver Technology:

   • Both vehicles offer similar levels of driver-assist technology features.
   • The Volvo EX30, however, provides a larger screen, higher-resolution camera system, and auto park assistance.

5. Infotainment and Connectivity:

   • The Volvo EX30 boasts superior infotainment and connectivity features:
     • Larger 12.3-inch center screen powered by Android Automotive.
     • Snappy user-friendly interface.
     • High-quality sound system.
   • Both vehicles support Android Auto and Apple CarPlay.
   • Mobile apps allow functionalities such as remote lock, pre-heating/cooling, and charge monitoring¹.

6. Other Features:

   • Both vehicles offer additional features like a heat pump (standard).
   • Warranty and Servicing:
     • The MG4 XPOWER has a longer vehicle warranty based on the number of years.
     • The Volvo EX30 has a longer battery warranty duration¹.

In summary, the Volvo EX30 offers better performance, a longer range, and superior infotainment, while the MG4 XPOWER is lighter and features V2L capability. Consider your priorities when choosing between these two electric hatchbacks! 🚗🔌

 

I am biased when it comes to the MG4 but I think it's a compelling option considering it's 770,000 baht cheaper and a very similar car.

 

The other issue is price wars, Volvo hasn't joined that yet and I would be worried that they do that this year.  I would definitely be wanting 12 months price protection if I ordered a Volvo.