Electric Vehicles in Thailand

[mistral53]

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[mistral53]

Very Clever by Xiaomi, they will undoubtedly get a significant revenue stream from this:

[Gweiloman]

11 hours ago, mistral53 said:

Very Clever by Xiaomi, they will undoubtedly get a significant revenue stream from this:

Nice curves 

[Bandersnatch]

11 hours ago, mistral53 said:

Very Clever by Xiaomi, they will undoubtedly get a significant revenue stream from this:

 

 

I have dozens of Xiaomi smart home gadgets, they are well made and excellent value for money.

 

I agree @mistral53 that Xiaomi car owners will definitely want to customize their cars, you just need to look at the Tesla aftermarket for programmable buttons etc

 

[KhunLA]

56 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

 

 

I have dozens of Xiaomi smart home gadgets, they are well made and excellent value for money.

 

I agree @mistral53 that Xiaomi car owners will definitely want to customize their cars, you just need to look at the Tesla aftermarket for programmable buttons etc

 

Also a Xiaomi fan; phones, drone, air purifiers, action cameras, power bank, headphones, TDS meter.   If having a choice, will usually pick Xiaomi product over other, if priced the same.  Xiaomi usually less expensive anyway.  

 

All have functioned as described, and some years old, and still going strong.

[spidermike007]

17 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

China tramples on the rights of protesters, arresting hundreds of students including Professors at various campuses around the country.

 

 

Oh, wait.. I think I inserted the wrong link…

The primary difference being that these guys will be released in a few days, in China they would either be executed, sent to a labor camp, or they would have their organs harvested. Just to subtle difference. 

[josephbloggs]

14 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

The primary difference being that these guys will be released in a few days, in China they would either be executed, sent to a labor camp, or they would have their organs harvested. Just to subtle difference. 

What complete and utter nonsense. Your brain washing is incredible.

[spidermike007]

5 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

What complete and utter nonsense. Your brain washing is incredible.

Oh, I forgot. They are open to criticism, allow protests and are very kind with the fines and hand slapping. True benevolence. Who is brainwashed? 

[ExpatOilWorker]

The debate is officially over and I have found some unequivocal proof that EV are superior to ICEVs.

Thanks to EV owners penny-pinching and general energy saving nature, combined with EV's speed sensitive range, EVs will never have to contribute to the local speed tax.

A big shout-out to SeñorLA's, @KhunLA local law enforcement agency for catching these pesky CO2 spreading ICE law breakers 👍. 

 

[Bandersnatch]

Reminder the title of this discussion is:

 

Electric Vehicles in Thailand

 

If you would rather post China hate then please start your own discussion because you are not welcome here

 

Those trying to hijack this discussion will be reported and added to an my extensive blocked list

 

[KhunLA]

47 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

The debate is officially over and I have found some unequivocal proof that EV are superior to ICEVs.

Thanks to EV owners penny-pinching and general energy saving nature, combined with EV's speed sensitive range, EVs will never have to contribute to the local speed tax.

A big shout-out to SeñorLA's, @KhunLA local law enforcement agency for catching these pesky CO2 spreading ICE law breakers 👍. 

Now I am offended .. 

 

... I prefer, researching, intellectual, thrifty spender 

 

On topic (as always) ... daughter checked out the BYD Dolphin, and not impressed at all.  Ordered the Atto 3 instead.   Anyone want a POS Mazda 2 (2012 (?) with less the 200k kms on it, that occasionally turns itself off, for no reason that 2 Mazda dealers can't figure out.   Only 100k baht, (what she got offered) well care for, except that little issue, if you can figure it out.  She's in Krung Thep, act fast.

 

 

[Issanman]

https://www.thaiexaminer.com/thai-news-foreigners/2024/04/26/sales-of-ev-cars-fell-in-thailand-in-february-and-march-2024/

[JBChiangRai]

1 hour ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

The debate is officially over and I have found some unequivocal proof that EV are superior to ICEVs.

Thanks to EV owners penny-pinching and general energy saving nature, combined with EV's speed sensitive range, EVs will never have to contribute to the local speed tax.

A big shout-out to SeñorLA's, @KhunLA local law enforcement agency for catching these pesky CO2 spreading ICE law breakers 👍. 

 

 

Must be those "go-faster stickers", EV owners don't need them, they are already hyperfast.

[JBChiangRai]

38 minutes ago, Issanman said:

https://www.thaiexaminer.com/thai-news-foreigners/2024/04/26/sales-of-ev-cars-fell-in-thailand-in-february-and-march-2024/

 

Poor reporting.

 

Errors include,

ORA Good Cat is not the cheapest EV sold here made in Thailand, The Neta V is.

Hertz did not rid of their EV fleet, they got rid of "some" of it.

 

 

[Bandersnatch]

33 minutes ago, Issanman said:

https://www.thaiexaminer.com/thai-news-foreigners/2024/04/26/sales-of-ev-cars-fell-in-thailand-in-february-and-march-2024/

 

 

Always best to read beyond the headlines if you can.

 

[KhunLA]

52 minutes ago, Issanman said:

https://www.thaiexaminer.com/thai-news-foreigners/2024/04/26/sales-of-ev-cars-fell-in-thailand-in-february-and-march-2024/

You should probably read the articles instead of the headliners ... 

 

[vinny41]

4 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

Poor reporting.

 

Errors include,

ORA Good Cat is not the cheapest EV sold here made in Thailand, The Neta V is.

Hertz did not rid of their EV fleet, they got rid of "some" of it.

 

 

I Agree Poor Reporting as they don't know the difference between sales and registrations

There are no tracking of sales

Indeed, January 2024 began well. EV sales for the month came to 13,653 new cars. In turn, this was 20.5% of what was already a depressed car market this year in Thailand.

https://www.thaiexaminer.com/thai-news-foreigners/2024/04/26/sales-of-ev-cars-fell-in-thailand-in-february-and-march-2024/

January figures of 13,653 registrations are December 2023 sales

BYD report sales of 37,000 for the whole of 2023 however if you exclude December sales that figure drops to 29,000 

 

[JBChiangRai]

23 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

I Agree Poor Reporting as they don't know the difference between sales and registrations

There are no tracking of sales

Indeed, January 2024 began well. EV sales for the month came to 13,653 new cars. In turn, this was 20.5% of what was already a depressed car market this year in Thailand.

https://www.thaiexaminer.com/thai-news-foreigners/2024/04/26/sales-of-ev-cars-fell-in-thailand-in-february-and-march-2024/

January figures of 13,653 registrations are December 2023 sales

BYD report sales of 37,000 for the whole of 2023 however if you exclude December sales that figure drops to 29,000 

 

 

Did you mean...

 

Indeed, January 2024 began well. EV sales registrations for the month came to 13,653 new cars. In turn, this was 20.5% of what was already a depressed car market this year in Thailand.

https://www.thaiexaminer.com/thai-news-foreigners/2024/04/26/sales-of-ev-cars-fell-in-thailand-in-february-and-march-2024/

January figures of 13,653 registrations are mostly December 2023 sales

BYD report sales of 37,000 for the whole of 2023 however if you exclude December sales that figure drops to 29,000 

[Furioso]

I know cold is not kind to EV batteries but doesn't this Thai heat just kill batteries as well? 

 

Your thoughts? 

[vinny41]

2 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

Did you mean...

 

Indeed, January 2024 began well. EV sales registrations for the month came to 13,653 new cars. In turn, this was 20.5% of what was already a depressed car market this year in Thailand.

https://www.thaiexaminer.com/thai-news-foreigners/2024/04/26/sales-of-ev-cars-fell-in-thailand-in-february-and-march-2024/

January figures of 13,653 registrations are mostly December 2023 sales

BYD report sales of 37,000 for the whole of 2023 however if you exclude December sales that figure drops to 29,000 

January figures of 13,653 registrations are December 2023 sales likewise

February registrations  (January Sales ) for  EV's were 3,635

March  registrations ( February Sales ) for EV's were 5,001

April  registrations ( March Sales ) for EV's currently unknown as figures will be released in May 

[JBChiangRai]

1 minute ago, vinny41 said:

January figures of 13,653 registrations are December 2023 sales likewise

February registrations  (January Sales ) for  EV's were 3,635

March  registrations ( February Sales ) for EV's were 5,001

April  registrations ( March Sales ) for EV's currently unknown as figures will be released in May 

 

I disagree.  A car bought in early February could well appear in February registrations.  Chiang Rai runs 2-3 weeks lead time in issuing Tabien Rot.

 

I do agree that a months registrations are mostly the previous month's sales.

[Bandersnatch]

21 minutes ago, Furioso said:

I know cold is not kind to EV batteries but doesn't this Thai heat just kill batteries as well? 

 

Your thoughts? 

You might remember the Nissan Leaf that didn’t have active battery cooling and if you had to stop to rapid charge more than once on a trip the battery would overheat and charging speed would be greatly reduced.

 

That technology is over a decade old. Modern EVs have heat pumps and active battery cooling. 
 

My oldest EV is over 3 years old and has lost 1km of estimated range.

 

My newest EV is 6 months old and you can hear the active cooling ramping up while charging. 
 

So no the heat doesn’t kill the batteries and anyway they come with 8 year 70% warranty 

[marino28]

Guys I will also like to point out that in the near future there will be new brands that will sell electric car in Thailand .

 

i am interested in particolare at zeekr and xpeng. So there will be more competition than now. 
 

 

There will be also more models from Byd and other brands. We are just at the beginning 

[KhunLA]

6 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

So no the heat doesn’t kill the batteries and anyway they come with 8 year 70% warranty 

@Furioso to add to that, after our first year with our EV, I calculated a <5% degradation at the end of the 8 year warranty.

[vinny41]

32 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

I disagree.  A car bought in early February could well appear in February registrations.  Chiang Rai runs 2-3 weeks lead time in issuing Tabien Rot.

 

I do agree that a months registrations are mostly the previous month's sales.

My point is that you can't have double dipping using registration figures for sales figures

Total number of EV registrations for 2024 to date  is 22,289 however 

Total number of EV sales for 2024 to date is 8,636

https://autolifethailand.tv/ev-register-march-2024-thailand/

[JBChiangRai]

1 hour ago, vinny41 said:

My point is that you can't have double dipping using registration figures for sales figures

Total number of EV registrations for 2024 to date  is 22,289 however 

Total number of EV sales for 2024 to date is 8,636

https://autolifethailand.tv/ev-register-march-2024-thailand/

 

The only reliable figure we can work with is registrations.

 

Sales is whatever the dealer or manufacturer says they are and completely untrustworthy.

 

It's interesting to compare bookings at motor shows, but it's completely unreliable and open to overstatement.

[Pib]

2 hours ago, Furioso said:

I know cold is not kind to EV batteries but doesn't this Thai heat just kill batteries as well? 

 

Your thoughts? 

 

2 hours ago, Bandersnatch said:

You might remember the Nissan Leaf that didn’t have active battery cooling and if you had to stop to rapid charge more than once on a trip the battery would overheat and charging speed would be greatly reduced.

 

That technology is over a decade old. Modern EVs have heat pumps and active battery cooling. 
 

My oldest EV is over 3 years old and has lost 1km of estimated range.

 

My newest EV is 6 months old and you can hear the active cooling ramping up while charging. 
 

So no the heat doesn’t kill the batteries and anyway they come with 8 year 70% warranty 

 

Just to add to Bandersnatch's post regarding EV active cooling and show some pictures, below weblink will overview the active cooling for the BYD Dolphin (and it's identical to the BYD Atto 3 active cooling).   What it boils down to is there is a "cooling plate (a.k.a., cold plate)" on the top of the BYD Atto/Dolphin traction battery that has cooling fluid that is circulated thru it as needed to keep it from getting too hot (or too cold in cold locations).  And this cooling fluid is cooled by the EV air conditioning system....some of that air conditioning capability is route inside the vehicle's cabin just like a ICEV vehicle to keep you cool in this hot weather and some it routed thru the traction battery cooling plate (as well as the electric motor and main electronics).  

 

Now in Thailand there is really no need for "heating" but if the Atto/Dolphin was being used in "cold" locations then the fluid that flows thru that cooling plate is instead "heated" via the heat pump system.   

 

Now if an EV uses cylindrical type batteries versus BYD blade batteries instead of a cooling plate they will use cooling/heating "ribbons" carrying cooling/heating fluid that weave thru the many, many individual cells to keep the temperature right. 

 

Take a look at below weblink for more info on the BYD Dolphin/Atto traction battery cooling system.   The picture is with the top cover of the traction battery removed and showing the silver colored cooling plate on top of the traction battery.

 

By the way, I've been monitoring my Atto 3 traction battery temperature via OBD2 data in this "hot" Thailand weather in the 40C (and more) ballpark and the temperature of the battery pack has never went above 39C....it takes an hour or so of driving in this hot weather at around 90kmph before the traction battery temp it gets close to this hot 40C weather.   At around 39C traction battery temp the EV's active cooling will kick in full force and bring the average battery pack temperature down to the low 30'sC.

 

See weblink for full details

https://inf.news/en/auto/447c4e27a413ce6ba02cb1b38c660f52.html

 

 

 

[vinny41]

46 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

The only reliable figure we can work with is registrations.

 

Sales is whatever the dealer or manufacturer says they are and completely untrustworthy.

 

It's interesting to compare bookings at motor shows, but it's completely unreliable and open to overstatement.

The Government wants high reservations numbers at the Motor show as it shows a reflection of the current economy and  they believe that investors will invest more if the reservations numbers at the Motor show are High

However there are other sections of the  Government that want those  high reservations numbers only to be converted into registrations if the buyers can afford it and currently don't have a high outstanding household debt

I think the BYD  reservations numbers were accurate as they stated before the motor show started they had a stock  of 7,000 2023 models  and the final numbers were approx 5,000 reservations

 reservations deposits were between B1,000-B10,000

I expect that the 53,438 total motor show reservations which include 17,517 ev registrations will be reduced by 50% over the registrations months of May for end of March  motor show reservations and June  registrations for April  motor show reservations assuming that the vehicles with the exception of BYD 2023 models weren't in stock at the time of the reservation

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=814645387366565&id=100064633334264&set=a.513637977467309

 

 

[Bandersnatch]

Sales of D-Segment in March 2024

 

BYD Seal won the champion in total 295 cars, market share 32.6% followed by Honda Accord 291 cars, Toyota Camry, end of market age, ending with ORA 07 / Deepal L07

 

 

[Pib]

Vehicle "Segments"....just what are they?    See weblink below for full details.

 

https://www.carsome.co.th/news/item/car-tips-car-segment