Electric Vehicles in Thailand

[Bandersnatch]

Charging at home is great. People seem to be concerned about waiting to charge - I never wait. When my house solar batteries are nearly full I plug in my car and I can monitor the state of charge of the house and the car on my phone. I have never used PEA to charge my car. When I charge on a trip it is while I am doing something else like stopping for coffee or food.

 

I am interested in Tesla coming to Thailand for it’s reputation of it’s charging networking, but more important to me is Vehicle To Load which allows the car to send power out of the car and can be used to trickle charge my house batteries. V2L is standard on BYDs

 

 

My current choice would be the ฿1,500,000 performance version of the BYD Seal with it’s 82.5kWh battery, 4-wheel drive and dual electric motors, 308 horsepower in the rear and 214 horsepower in the front, producing a total maximum power of 522 horsepower and a maximum torque of 670 Newton-meters, acceleration 0-100 km / h in 3.8 seconds and a range of 650 km.

 

The Atto 3 goes on sale on the 10th October, but we will have to wait to next year at least for the Seal. BYD has received more than 110,000 orders for the Seal.

 

 

 

 

 

[macahoom]

9 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

 

My current choice would be the ฿1,500,000 performance version of the BYD Seal with it’s 82.5kWh battery, 4-wheel drive and dual electric motors, 308 horsepower in the rear and 214 horsepower in the front, producing a total maximum power of 522 horsepower and a maximum torque of 670 Newton-meters, acceleration 0-100 km / h in 3.8 seconds and a range of 650 km.

 

This sounds fantastic.

Better than fantastic!

[KhunLA]

31 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

more important to me is Vehicle To Load which allows the car to send power out of the car and can be used to trickle charge my house batteries. V2L is standard on BYDs

For others, who may not know and considering BEVs, MGs also have the V2L option standard.

 

Kind of makes your car a camper, with no need for gas stove or a fire to cook, easy brekkie, make coffee.

 

Toaster oven, water kettle, induction cooker, fry pan, and you basically have your whole kitchen with you.  Bring a tent, run a fan, or sleep in the car with AC.

 

That's way too cool for us travelling well off the beaten track.

[CapraIbex]

Another promising EV vehicle coming soon to Thailand...

“Thailand is going to be a hub for manufacturing zero emission vehicles. As these changes come around the world, we’re going to be part of that. You’re going to see that coming from Ford,”

https://www.news.com.au/technology/motoring/hitech/ford-ranger-ev-looking-more-likely-for-australia/news-story/46d5b9f170cf08ae183965b3931b9322

[KhunLA]

13 minutes ago, dj230 said:

This is why you need EV infrastructure before EV's are more practical.

topic .... EVs in THAILAND

 

 

[dj230]

6 hours ago, KhunLA said:

topic .... EVs in THAILAND

 

 

Yes and the topic of Thailand not having enough infrastructure is one main issue of adoption of EV's right now. 

[vinny41]

5 hours ago, dj230 said:

 

Yes and the topic of Thailand not having enough infrastructure is one main issue of adoption of EV's right now. 

I think you will find the major issue of adoption of EV's in Thailand right now is supply and demand of EV's some people that ordered ev's in march this year haven't received their vehicles yet. Some brands are coping better than others some brands seem to just refused to answer customer queries on delivery dates

[Bandersnatch]

Why do we have so many people who don’t own an EV in Thailand come onto the EVs in Thailand forum thread and try to lecture those of us who do own an EV here about EVs in Thailand?

 

Don’t they realize how stupid they sound?

 

I wouldn’t go onto their train-spotting or stamp collecting threads and start shouting my mouth off.

 

I quickly hit the ignore button and only see their posts when someone else replies to them. 

[CLW]

9 hours ago, dj230 said:

 

Yes and the topic of Thailand not having enough infrastructure is one main issue of adoption of EV's right now. 

Do you own an EV? Anything else just trolling and derailing this thread...

[Rimmer]

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[transam]

36 minutes ago, CLW said:

Do you own an EV? Anything else just trolling and derailing this thread...

But he's right.....????

[Tiuangmoh]

10 hours ago, dj230 said:

 

Yes and the topic of Thailand not having enough infrastructure is one main issue of adoption of EV's right now. 

What’s strange is that it seems only non-EV owners complain about the lack of charging infrastructure in Thailand. I haven’t yet heard of any EV owners complaining about that. 
 

Could it be because non-EV owners don’t know where the chargers are located?

[Bandersnatch]

Cloud and rain today but still fully charged the car and house before lunch. Solar and EVs in Thailand make so much sense. Non EV owners forget that the vast majority of EV charging is done at home - either for free from solar or for ฿2.2/kWh on cheap overnight electricity. 

 

Anybody have a E20 pump at home? 

 

 

  

 

 

 

 

 

[Bandersnatch]

Great Wall Motors H6 PHEV Big battery 34kWh 201 km EV range and 1.5L TURBO engine.

DC charging up to 48kW and AC 6.6kW 

 

Some online sites are saying pre-reservations will open at midnight on 17th September but nothing on the official GWM page or any revelations about what the price

 

 

 

 

[vinny41]

Details of Haval H6 opening offers on facebook page 

Haval H6 Club Thailand ( public group)

Price will be released in October 

Edited September 16, 2022 by vinny41

[Tiuangmoh]

1 hour ago, Bandersnatch said:

Great Wall Motors H6 PHEV Big battery 34kWh 201 km EV range and 1.5L TURBO engine.

DC charging up to 48kW and AC 6.6kW 

 

Some online sites are saying pre-reservations will open at midnight on 17th September but nothing on the official GWM page or any revelations about what the price

 

 

 

 

I estimate around 1.6 million baht. Any idea how to make a pre-reservation? Online or at dealer?

[Bandersnatch]

51 minutes ago, Tiuangmoh said:

I estimate around 1.6 million baht. Any idea how to make a pre-reservation? Online or at dealer?

There was nothing on GWM FB page when I posted above but just checked again and there was a post 30 minutes ago

 

https://www.facebook.com/GWMThai/

You also keep an eye on their website 

 

https://www.gwm.co.th/

 

[transam]

4 hours ago, Tiuangmoh said:

What’s strange is that it seems only non-EV owners complain about the lack of charging infrastructure in Thailand. I haven’t yet heard of any EV owners complaining about that. 
 

Could it be because non-EV owners don’t know where the chargers are located?

Not really, with a petrol car you don't have to even think about buying petrol, stations are everywhere.

Not the same with an EV, you have to plan, especially in countries that are just starting off with the tech, as LOS is...

[dj230]

11 hours ago, vinny41 said:

I think you will find the major issue of adoption of EV's in Thailand right now is supply and demand of EV's some people that ordered ev's in march this year haven't received their vehicles yet. Some brands are coping better than others some brands seem to just refused to answer customer queries on delivery dates

This is interesting, I know there was some supply chain issues but actually most recently especially in China supply is outpacing demand to the point that some EV companies are struggling and doing sales to try to get demand. 
 

Which EVs are typically bought in Thailand? 

[dj230]

5 hours ago, Tiuangmoh said:

What’s strange is that it seems only non-EV owners complain about the lack of charging infrastructure in Thailand. I haven’t yet heard of any EV owners complaining about that. 
 

Could it be because non-EV owners don’t know where the chargers are located?

Its hard to not justify buying an EV after you’ve bought it, as you now have a bias. No one likes to admit they made a bad decision. 
 

EVs are great and work in some cases in Thailand, but to ignore something as if it doesn’t exist, doesn’t make it go away. 
 

Without enough infrastructure there won’t be mass adoption as it isn’t practical. I saw in this thread people were happy to wait hours for a charge, most people wouldn’t though and the tech is already developed, it just needs to be built. 480kw/h chargers exist now. 
 

It probably is prevalent now with only a select few owning EVs in Thailand so there’s enough chargers, but in countries where there are large amounts of EV sales they have issues not having enough infrastructure. 

 

[Tiuangmoh]

1 hour ago, transam said:

Not really, with a petrol car you don't have to even think about buying petrol, stations are everywhere.

Not the same with an EV, you have to plan, especially in countries that are just starting off with the tech, as LOS is...

Most people, most of the time, are not driving more than 50km from their home on a daily basis.

 

Arrive home, plug in the charger, take off shoes, walk indoors.

A lot simpler than going to a petrol station, waiting to be attended to, waving off the guy that wants to smear your windscreen, watching with dread at the bahts piling up at the pump, waiting for the attendant to top off the last few baht, coming over to you with those heart wrenching and soul stealing words (pan song baht krab), handing over your PTT card, waiting, only getting 20 points and then driving home in a bad mood knowing that 1,200 baht could have bought you an excellent sirloin steak.

[Tiuangmoh]

37 minutes ago, dj230 said:

Its hard to not justify buying an EV after you’ve bought it, as you now have a bias. No one likes to admit they made a bad decision. 
 

EVs are great and work in some cases in Thailand, but to ignore something as if it doesn’t exist, doesn’t make it go away. 
 

Without enough infrastructure there won’t be mass adoption as it isn’t practical. I saw in this thread people were happy to wait hours for a charge, most people wouldn’t though and the tech is already developed, it just needs to be built. 480kw/h chargers exist now. 
 

It probably is prevalent now with only a select few owning EVs in Thailand so there’s enough chargers, but in countries where there are large amounts of EV sales they have issues not having enough infrastructure. 

 

I don’t own an EV so I don’t have any bias. However I do intend to purchase a PHEV so I have been doing a lot of research on electrically powered vehicles.

 

What really surprised me is the actual amount of EV infrastructure despite the relatively low adoption currently. Therefore, I can only imagine that things will get easier for EV owners as time goes on.

 

Have you, by any chance, downloaded any apps relating to charging stations here in Thailand. If not, try it, it’s free and see the availability of stations along the long distance trips you would normally make. Don’t bother with stations around you as you have a station already in your house.

[mistral53]

10 hours ago, Bandersnatch said:

Great Wall Motors H6 PHEV Big battery 34kWh 201 km EV range and 1.5L TURBO engine.

DC charging up to 48kW and AC 6.6kW 

If the price is right, the Haval PHEV ticks all the right boxes, however, the 200 km range does not compute with the battery size - the MG HS with a battery half the size is speced for 67 km. My guess is 150 to 160 km is attainable with a more aggressive BMS, 200 km is just fantasy.............or at 45km/h max speed, no stop and go, no AC, downhill and a strong tailwind.

[kwak250]

160 km is still a long way off what most people would be wanting.

 

It would be fine for driving around the city but still no good for a decent trip !

 

[kwak250]

6 hours ago, Tiuangmoh said:

I don’t own an EV so I don’t have any bias. However I do intend to purchase a PHEV so I have been doing a lot of research on electrically powered vehicles.

 

What really surprised me is the actual amount of EV infrastructure despite the relatively low adoption currently. Therefore, I can only imagine that things will get easier for EV owners as time goes on.

 

Have you, by any chance, downloaded any apps relating to charging stations here in Thailand. If not, try it, it’s free and see the availability of stations along the long distance trips you would normally make. Don’t bother with stations around you as you have a station already in your house.

How long would a charge take on a trip as I usually make a few 6-700 km trips

So how many charges and how much time would this add to my journey of say a 700km trip?

[KhunLA]

23 minutes ago, kwak250 said:

How long would a charge take on a trip as I usually make a few 6-700 km trips

So how many charges and how much time would this add to my journey of say a 700km trip?

Depends on a few factors.

 

Here's a real time-ish CM to BKK trip.  Impressively fast.

 

[vinny41]

9 hours ago, dj230 said:

This is interesting, I know there was some supply chain issues but actually most recently especially in China supply is outpacing demand to the point that some EV companies are struggling and doing sales to try to get demand. 
 

Which EVs are typically bought in Thailand? 

If we focus on EVs with a price tag of 1.3 million baht or less then you are looking at approx 7 EVs ( I believe Nissan Leaf is no longer for sale in Thailand)

https://www.headlightmag.com/full-review-2019-2022-nissan-leaf-ev/

https://www.facebook.com/Techhangout/photos/a.1576235062687531/3178652879112400/

 

A few years go Brands would build up stock before they would launch a new model not sure if they do that anymore and its simply build per colour batch

 

At the moment its Catch 22 for the car buyers that ordered in March at that time and at the price point of 1.3 million or less there was only 2 brands to choose from  and if you were looking for a type example suv only 1 model available

From next month there will be 4 brands to choose from and on the  b-size suv front 3 models to choose from 

So March buyers that haven't received their order's the choice is to stick with that brand or cancel their order and go with a different brand

I can't seen it happening but it would be good if when a customer goes to a dealer to view and order a car they show you the approx wait times for different paint colors

that way you know if you choose an unpopular colour the wait time will be x number of months longer than one of the popular colours

Edited September 16, 2022 by vinny41
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[kwak250]

5 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Depends on a few factors.

 

Here's a real time-ish CM to BKK trip.  Impressively fast.

 

I watched a part that said almost an hour too charge.

 

Is that still the best you can get if so that's not impressively fast by any means and I am guessing on a 700km trip that would add at least 4-5 hours of charging stops.

Is this  correct?

 

 

[vinny41]

47 minutes ago, kwak250 said:

I watched a part that said almost an hour too charge.

 

Is that still the best you can get if so that's not impressively fast by any means and I am guessing on a 700km trip that would add at least 4-5 hours of charging stops.

Is this  correct?

 

 

Neta U pro 610 is being launch in December with extended battery 610km (NEDC) so you should get 700km easy with 1 stop to recharge

[transam]

14 hours ago, Tiuangmoh said:

Most people, most of the time, are not driving more than 50km from their home on a daily basis.

 

Arrive home, plug in the charger, take off shoes, walk indoors.

A lot simpler than going to a petrol station, waiting to be attended to, waving off the guy that wants to smear your windscreen, watching with dread at the bahts piling up at the pump, waiting for the attendant to top off the last few baht, coming over to you with those heart wrenching and soul stealing words (pan song baht krab), handing over your PTT card, waiting, only getting 20 points and then driving home in a bad mood knowing that 1,200 baht could have bought you an excellent sirloin steak.

That reads a bit like a dodge to me. How about......

 

"Mums been taken ill, better get over there quick"

"Can't, not enough juice in the battery ".....????..or..

 

"Let's have a couple of day's at _______, car won't get that far, will have to do a bit of research on where we can stop for an hour to charge it up, how tiresome"...????