Electric Vehicles in Thailand

[macahoom]

1 hour ago, fredob43 said:

Where did I say that I drive 1k KM without a stop??? If you care to reread my post I said that my Car will do 1K+ KM on a tank of fuel and the journey I normally do is 500KM. I would like to do the same trip to Phuket with you in your car and see how much longer it take you than myself in mine. 

I've just read your post again and it's not very clear that that is what you meant to say. Here's what you say: "Please let me clarify. Yes you maybe able to go long distances but how long will it take??? I can travel with a 5 Min: fill up, and a full tank of diesel some 1000+ KM without a stop."

 

Please try to make your posts easier to comprehend in the future.

Thank you! 

[macahoom]

1 hour ago, fredob43 said:

How much does this Neta thing cost. Also where can you get it serviced. And what will you get back for it if you sold in say 6 years later. Can you get 7 people in it like I can in my Toyota Fortuner??? Yet more things that nobody that buy EV seems to take into consideration. With the low cost of Diesel here I'll stick to my Lump thank you.

What a load of ill-informed nonsense!

[GroveHillWanderer]

1 hour ago, fredob43 said:

How much does this Neta thing cost. Also where can you get it serviced. And what will you get back for it if you sold in say 6 years later. Can you get 7 people in it like I can in my Toyota Fortuner??? Yet more things that nobody that buy EV seems to take into consideration. With the low cost of Diesel here I'll stick to my Lump thank you.

If you're just going to indulge in sealioning, there's not much point in continuing the discussion.

[fredob43]

3 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

If you're just going to indulge in sealioning, there's not much point in continuing the discussion.

All I asked is some questions on how an EV is service wise, cost, and what you might get back later when you sell. Looks like nobody has a clue. Cos they haven't even considered it.

I even offer to do a run with someone to test an EV against a Diesel as usual not a reply. Sorry but I think your all living in a dream world.

 

Tip have a look at The Mac Master on You Tube he drives an EV car and see how he like it. 

[fredob43]

4 hours ago, macahoom said:

What a load of ill-informed nonsense!

Sorry but it's no good saying I'm ill informed if you can't answer simple questions that I asked, maybe if you did I would be more clued up.  

I speak as I find I have looked into buying an EV and have come to the conclusion they are not fit for purpose. I'll give you round town they are fine but on a run useless.

Ok a simple one how long does it take to recharge an EV from say 20% to full and what does it cost if your not at home???

[KhunLA]

9 hours ago, fredob43 said:

Where did I say that I drive 1k KM without a stop??? If you care to reread my post I said that my Car will do 1K+ KM on a tank of fuel and the journey I normally do is 500KM. I would like to do the same trip to Phuket with you in your car and see how much longer it take you than myself in mine. 

A 500 kms trip would require me to stop once for about 30 mins.   So almost same amount of time it would take me in an ICE, maybe 15 mins longer.

 

One 30 min stop vs 15 w/ICE.  If only stopping once.  Headed to Phuket now, and noted 'wife's' first stop was at 100 kms mark ???? for piss, bev/snack.

 

2 more stops before getting to hotel at Phang-Nga, shy of 500 kms from home.

 

Actually planned an overnight in Surat Thani province also, but weather not cooperating.

 

 

Edited June 6, 2023 by KhunLA

[motdaeng]

3 hours ago, fredob43 said:

Sorry but it's no good saying I'm ill informed if you can't answer simple questions that I asked, maybe if you did I would be more clued up.  

I speak as I find I have looked into buying an EV and have come to the conclusion they are not fit for purpose. I'll give you round town they are fine but on a run useless.

Ok a simple one how long does it take to recharge an EV from say 20% to full and what does it cost if your not at home???

all of your questions have been answered many times already, and you can

find almost all of the answers in this thread.

 

how many 500 km daily journeys do you make per week?
if having a 20-30 minute break on a long journey are too much for you,

then electric vehicles are not for you! 

 

electric cars are not for everyone ... 
 

[Andrew Dwyer]

4 hours ago, fredob43 said:

 

Ok a simple one how long does it take to recharge an EV from say 20% to full and what does it cost if your not at home???

Depends on the size of the battery  and the maximum charging limit of the vehicle. 
Also depends on where you are charging:

AC : at a friend’s home or guesthouse, etc

DC : Gas station charging point, PEA Authorities charger, Car Showroom charger, Shopping Mall charger, etc

 

If you could narrow down your “ simple “ question to the above parameters then someone will be along shortly to give you your answer ……. or not.

[josephbloggs]

4 hours ago, fredob43 said:

All I asked is some questions on how an EV is service wise, cost, and what you might get back later when you sell. Looks like nobody has a clue. Cos they haven't even considered it.

I even offer to do a run with someone to test an EV against a Diesel as usual not a reply. Sorry but I think your all living in a dream world.

 

Tip have a look at The Mac Master on You Tube he drives an EV car and see how he like it. 

Imagine doing 1,000 kms in a rattly smelly noisy diesel.  No chance. I will do (and have done) it in a nice petrol, but diesel, never, I can think of nothing worse.

And after driving an electric car for any period of time getting back in my petrol makes that feel rattly, noisy, sluggish, old fashioned. But getting back in a diesel would feel like going back a few decades.

[sirineou]

9 minutes ago, motdaeng said:

all of your questions have been answered many times already, and you can

find almost all of the answers in this thread.

 

how many 500 km daily journeys do you make per week?
if having a 20-30 minute break on a long journey are too much for you,

then electric vehicles are not for you! 

 

electric cars are not for everyone ... 
 

The average daily car drive is 37 miles 

"The average driver in the U.S. drives 37 miles per day, according to Department of Transportation statistics. Annual mileage averages by state indicate more densely populated areas typically have lower miles per year averages. "

https://www.kbb.com/car-advice/average-miles-driven-per-year/#:~:text=The average driver in the,lower miles per year averages.

 

The BYD Atto 3  has a range as high as 445 km, the average, real world  range,  will probably be a little less. But sufficient for 99% of all your driving, combine that with an inexpensive solar cell such as the one we got at our farm to power the well (two panels ), and you might never even pay for the electric to charge it.  (You will on cloudy days or when away from home) . And in the infrequent event of a long ride , when you might not  want to deal with charging, you can rent an ice car for a couple of days or in our case borrow sister in-laws car and lend her our EV for that time. 

In addition, I read all the time posts for backup generators for the frequent power failures we have here in Thailand.  No need for that. with an BYD Atto 3  you can power your home from it. 

I have talked about that with the wife, and if it was not for the fact that we just bought a new car a couple of years ago. we would be getting an EV today. I am sure our next car with in the next two years would be an EV. 

[KhunLA]

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Edited June 7, 2023 by KhunLA

[KhunLA]

@fredob43

"4 hours ago, fredob43 said:

 

Ok a simple one how long does it take to recharge an EV from say 20% to full and what does it cost if your not at home???"

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Asked & answered so many times.  About 30 mins, depending on vehicle, the last 20% is a bit slower, to protect the cells.

 

MG ZS EV 30-80% ... @ <฿8 per kWh @ on the road vendors

 

360 kms cost me ฿230 w/EV

360 kms cost me ฿900 w/ICE, same car/MG ZS, from personal experience, as I owned both ICE & EV

Edited June 7, 2023 by KhunLA

[Bandersnatch]

17 hours ago, fredob43 said:

I concluded EV are pointless. 

99% of my journeys are within my own province and are powered for free from my home home solar. Recharging at home takes no time. 

 

I am 99% immune to fuel price rises and fuel shortages. 

 

My EV travels further in stop go traffic as it recharges itself from regenerative breaking.

 

I have traffic jam assist which means that I don’t have to use the break or accelerator in slow moving traffic as the car follows the car ahead on it’s own - far less stressful and far less tiring.

 

My EV has far better acceleration and torque than the equivalent ICE car, quieter and smoother to drive, doesn’t pollute my local environment. Cheaper to Tax 

 

EVs are cheaper and easier to service and have longer warranties than ICE cars

 

 I conclude that EVs have many points

[KhunLA]

15 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

99% of my journeys are within my own province and are powered for free from my home home solar. Recharging at home takes no time. 

 

I am 99% immune to fuel price rises and fuel shortages. 

 

My EV travels further in stop go traffic as it recharges itself from regenerative breaking.

 

I have traffic jam assist which means that I don’t have to use the break or accelerator in slow moving traffic as the car follows the car ahead on it’s own - far less stressful and far less tiring.

 

My EV has far better acceleration and torque than the equivalent ICE car, quieter and smoother to drive, doesn’t pollute my local environment. Cheaper to Tax 

 

EVs are cheaper and easier to service and have longer warranties than ICE cars

 

 I conclude that EVs have many points

@fredob43

Same here, and I actually get out & about a lot more locally, within 300kms round trip, as not a lot worth paying ฿7-800 to see again.  

 

Not going to pay a couple hundred baht to go have a meal that cost the same.  But throw in free transport ... yea, I can do that.

 

Charging at home from excess solar = FREE transport cost.

 

I pop down to Ban Krut & up to Hua Hin quite often for a munch or shopping.  If having to pay for petrol, I wouldn't bother.

 

An performance wise, sorry, but an ICE, can't touch an EV.

 

Just on one of my favorite roads, 4118 down through Surat Thani to Phang-Nga, pretty awesome pushing the limits.   Not a sports car, but damn fun driving. 

 

Only thing better would have been dry road, and a real MC.

Edited June 7, 2023 by KhunLA

[motdaeng]

https://ex30event.volvocars.com/

 

if anyone is interested in watching the EX30 livestream today (7.june 18.30) here's the YouTube link. 

 

 

[churchill]

6 hours ago, motdaeng said:

https://ex30event.volvocars.com/

 

if anyone is interested in watching the EX30 livestream today (7.june 18.30) here's the YouTube link. 

 

 

When it be released in Thailand ?

[3NUMBAS]

mr bean is realy peed off about a buying an ecar he says and he     has many classic cars as well

[motdaeng]

12 minutes ago, churchill said:

When it be released in Thailand ?

in some counties, you can order (online) the volvo ex 30 as of today ... presumably after the presentation.

 

thailand's release date and prices will hopefully be announced shortly ...
 

[macahoom]

53 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

mr bean is realy peed off about a buying an ecar he says and he     has many classic cars as well

Fascinating information!

 

Thank you so much, 3NUMPTY.

[fredob43]

9 hours ago, KhunLA said:

@fredob43

"4 hours ago, fredob43 said:

 

Ok a simple one how long does it take to recharge an EV from say 20% to full and what does it cost if your not at home???"

_________________________________________

Asked & answered so many times.  About 30 mins, depending on vehicle, the last 20% is a bit slower, to protect the cells.

 

MG ZS EV 30-80% ... @ <฿8 per kWh @ on the road vendors

 

360 kms cost me ฿230 w/EV

360 kms cost me ฿900 w/ICE, same car/MG ZS, from personal experience, as I owned both ICE & EV

If your EV only takes 30 min: to recharge you must have a small battery. Cos every Vlog I have seen on YouTube say it takes a lot longer. 

Re fuel costs I don't know anything about M/G but they must use a lot more fuel than my Fortuner Diesel 2.8 in Eco Mode. On a run it returns 6lt per every 100km at speeds of around 120KPH so that's 691BHT for the 360KM you quoted. Yes more than an EV but the convenience of a 5 min: top up it's worth it.  

 

[JBChiangRai]

56 minutes ago, macahoom said:

 

Thank you so much, 3NUMPTY.

Nicely put.

[josephbloggs]

17 minutes ago, fredob43 said:

If your EV only takes 30 min: to recharge you must have a small battery. Cos every Vlog I have seen on YouTube say it takes a lot longer. 

Brilliant, someone who does not own an EV (and has expressed how ridiculous he thinks they are compared to glorious diesel) is telling someone who does own an EV that he is wrong about how long it takes to charge.

Amazing.

[Bandersnatch]

Elliot Richards who is often featured on the fully charged show also has his own channel  "China Driver" and just released a video on EVs in Thailand

 

 

 

[Andrew Dwyer]

Neta making their mark with their budget EV ( Neta V ) and the long awaited, up and coming Neta S.

But wait , there’s more.

 

https://carnewschina.com/2023/06/07/neta-exports-4000-vehicles-overseas-from-china/

 

The GT apparently comes in a convertible version also.

 

https://www.chinapev.com/ev-2/hozon/neta-gt-cost-effective-electric-sports-car-from-china/

 

Unfortunately no diesel versions of these cars have been announced ????

Edited June 7, 2023 by Andrew Dwyer

[Yorkshire Tea]

5 minutes ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

Unfortunately no diesel versions of these cars have been announced ????

Strap a generator to the back?

[Yellowtail]

11 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

Imagine doing 1,000 kms in a rattly smelly noisy diesel.  No chance. I will do (and have done) it in a nice petrol, but diesel, never, I can think of nothing worse.

And after driving an electric car for any period of time getting back in my petrol makes that feel rattly, noisy, sluggish, old fashioned. But getting back in a diesel would feel like going back a few decades.

Brilliant, someone who does not own a diesel (and has expressed how ridiculous he thinks they are compared to glorious EVs) is telling someone who does own a diesel that he is wrong about how nice the ride is. 

Amazing.

[josephbloggs]

40 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Brilliant, someone who does not own a diesel (and has expressed how ridiculous he thinks they are compared to glorious EVs) is telling someone who does own a diesel that he is wrong about how nice the ride is. 

Amazing.

Fair comeback, but I have driven many diesels including Ford Everest, Toyota Fortuna. And my statement stands.

And I don't own an EV so I am not trying to convert anyone. I just appreciate the technology and so don't like it when people dismiss it out of hand without - I am pretty sure - ever spending any time with one. (I have)

[Yellowtail]

58 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Fair comeback, but I have driven many diesels including Ford Everest, Toyota Fortuna. And my statement stands.

I'm sorry, I thought you said:

 

13 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

Imagine doing 1,000 kms in a rattly smelly noisy diesel.  No chance. I will do (and have done) it in a nice petrol, but diesel, never, I can think of nothing worse.

My bad

[DavisH]

12 hours ago, Bandersnatch said:

99% of my journeys are within my own province and are powered for free from my home home solar. Recharging at home takes no time. 

Bu your solar panels were not free right? After how long do they pay for themselves? If I owned an EV I'd probably get them, but out bill these days is just 4-5K a month, so not really worth it at this time. 

[DavisH]

1 hour ago, josephbloggs said:

Fair comeback, but I have driven many diesels including Ford Everest, Toyota Fortuna. And my statement stands.

These aren't the only diesels though are they? My crv diesel is quieter at 100km/h than the petrol equivalent. Then there is a range of other European diesels that are more refined than pickups also.