32 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Reality ... nobody cares about Taiwan, IMHO.

 

Just like Russia, nothing has happened, a few headliner of rich folks having their toys impounded, and they'll get them back.   EU depends on RU for energy.  Haven't heard any boycotts of that.

 

The world depends on China's manufacturing, in whole or parts.  The western world would come to a grinding halt in about 2 years if China stopped trading.  Asia, ASEAN & RU alone would keep China going & fed.

 

Crying about fake inflation now  ....  think how bad it would be if China boycotted you.

 

I don't disagree.  To be honest, I thought China would have moved on Taiwan already.  There would have to be some consequences.  Just what they would be, and what effect they have, would be interesting. 

I would organize either a prayer committee, or a voodoo ceremony, with the express intent on inflicting a fatal pox on the house of Xi. Actually, not a bad idea for Putin. 

5 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

I would organize either a prayer committee, or a voodoo ceremony, with the express intent on inflicting a fatal pox on the house of Xi. Actually, not a bad idea for Putin. 

Im quite sure Usa did have mentalists doing this during the cold war. 

I find it hilarious that several posters think that there would be no consequences.

 

And for the many posters who say it will not happen, give me one valid reason why it will not.

12 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

How many of the posters who have commented above know anything about....  草莓族 ?

 

 草莓族 (The Strawberry Generation/Strawberry Tribe)

 

The Strawberry Generation in Taiwan are milquetoast.

 

How many years, for example, has anyone here spent in Taiwan?

 

10 years?

20 years?

30 years?

 

How many?

 

Tell me.

 

IF China were to mount an attack against Taiwan, then, the MILQUETOAST Strawberries would fall like the hothouse plants which we know they are.

 

Taiwan is hiding under the US umbrella, at the moment.

 

This is a symbiotic relationship which is good for the world, as well.

 

But, I have never met a man in Taiwan who could stand up to a man from Dongbei.

 

The ONLY way that Taiwan will be able to defend itself is if all weapons are fully robotic, and controlled using AI.

 

The fighting man of Taiwan is nonexistent.

 

Taiwan, these days, is totally undertested, and full of children of dead soldier who retreated to Formosa, decades ago.

 

Anyway, for sure....

 

Thinking that Taiwan could, in any way, defend itself against a Chinese invasion is just ridiculous.

 

Also, the Taiwanese democracy, and the Taiwanese political situation, is sort of like a cartoon.  It is not real.

 

There is no way that Taiwan would exist, today, without the force of the US.

The US needs Taiwan, for sure.

 

But, almost everything about Taiwan is a complete JOKE....except...for.....  TSMC

 

Long live TSMC.

 

Otherwise, Taiwan is a joke, both politically and militarily, and in most other respects, as well.

 

I need to keep this short.

Or, otherwise, I might wish to make a few other valid criticisms here.

I have never been to Taiwan. Even if I had been there for many years, as a foreigner I would not presume to know the thoughts of the average citizen, or the inner councils of the military establishment there. Instead, I would be looking at what is happening, and how that is influencing CCP thinking as to an invasion of Taiwan.

 

Ukraine effectively has had only three years to prepare for a Russian invasion, after Zelensky took over from Poroshenko, a Kremlin ally. Taiwan has had 70 years.

 

The CCP would be looking at how a under-prepared, militarily-inferior nation is mauling one of the supposed best armies in the world to a standstill, and taking out Russian generals in the process. It would quite rightly conclude Western technology is aiding the Ukrainians in decimating Russian armor and air support.

 

It would also be considering logistics. When the Allies invaded Normandy, they did it with air superiority and control of the sea, across about 170 km of water. Xi is a student of history, he would know getting an armada across the same distance with no guarantee of air superiority, or with multiple silent nuclear submarines waiting in ambush, the butcher’s bill would be unacceptable in terms of equipment alone.

 

Then there are sanctions. Russian GDP according to their own forecasters will fall by about 10%. China’s GDP falling by the same amount would cause a revolution. The CCP has enough problems as it is with the property sector without sanctions in the mix. Not to mention cities in pandemic lockdown are struggling to get enough meat, rice and fish.

 

China is utterly dependent on other countries to feed its population, it is the world’s biggest food importer. An interdict of shipping and ban on Chinese exports would be disastrous.

 

IMO unless Xi has a rush of blood to the head like Putin, the probability of an invasion of Taiwan is very small. The lessons of Ukraine are too stark.

 

12 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

 The CCP has enough problems as it is with the property sector without sanctions in the mix. Not to mention cities in pandemic lockdown are struggling to get enough meat, rice and fish.

 

Funny....you have listed the exact reasons why the CCP will move on Taiwan.

22 hours ago, gearbox said:

Lol... don't you find it strange when such "explosive" world changing news is reported only by a couple of Indian newspapers?

Coz India is a close ally of Taiwan

2 hours ago, DrJoy said:

Coz India is a close ally of Taiwan

And yet, India doesn't even recognize Taiwan as an independent country.  Nor does the UN.

21 hours ago, Leaver said:

 

Have you considered sanctions being put on China for invading Taiwan? 

 

I know it seems impossible, because over decades the world has become reliant on China, but there would be some action taken which is bound to effect the world. 

 

I was not commenting so much on exports from Taiwan, which would also be effected, but mainly actions taken against China by the west, and then China's counter actions. 

What basis would there be for sanctions, it is a domestic dispute not an international "invasion". Ukraine is an internationally recognised sovereign state, Taiwan is not, there is no comparison.

Where were the sanctions when they took over Hong Kong?

In 1965 Rhodesia broke away from the UK and was in limbo, much like Taiwan, for many years. The UK was faced with forcibly taking back control or allowing independence, and chose the latter. China however is more likely to pursue the former.

 

18 hours ago, Adumbration said:

I find it hilarious that several posters think that there would be no consequences.

 

And for the many posters who say it will not happen, give me one valid reason why it will not.

There would be a lot of international condemnation but secretly but many in the upper levels of governments would be relieved. Currently very awkward for countries that want to trade with both Taiwan and China.

22 minutes ago, sandyf said:

What basis would there be for sanctions, it is a domestic dispute not an international "invasion". Ukraine is an internationally recognised sovereign state, Taiwan is not, there is no comparison.

Where were the sanctions when they took over Hong Kong?

In 1965 Rhodesia broke away from the UK and was in limbo, much like Taiwan, for many years. The UK was faced with forcibly taking back control or allowing independence, and chose the latter. China however is more likely to pursue the former.

 

It comes down to what Usa will do when China invade Thaiwan. The world can not afford to boycott china’s economy. Can we afford to go to war? 
 

We know their constant promises and warnings given for years now. First they take Taiwan then 

Taipei, Taiwan – US President Joe Biden says he would use force to defend Taiwan if it was attacked by China, appearing to signal a shift away from Washington’s decades-long policy of so-called strategic ambiguity towards the East Asian democracy

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/5/23/biden-says-us-would-defend-taiwan-if-attacked-by-china

On 6/6/2022 at 6:30 AM, RichardColeman said:

Why worry, it will be the end of the world, Sleepy Dementia Joe already said he would declare war on China basically if they did invade Taiwan. Idiot. Well, the puppet said it before his puppeteers corrected him.

Same old right wing, anti-Biden nonsense I see.

America's relationship with Taiwan was initially a defence pact scoped by the Sino-American Mutual Defense Treaty of 1955. This then developed into the Taiwan Relations Act of 1979. I think even you might agree that these pre-date Biden.

 

Oh and every US President since Carter (to include Trump who did more to antagonise China over Taiwan than any other US President) has vowed to defend Taiwan.

China could nuke Taiwan out of existence tomorrow, and the world not only wouldn't, but couldn't do anything about it.

 

RU wouldn't care, UK military is a joke, and NATO doesn't exist without the USA...

... and the USA ... ????????????????????????

 

When's the last time they won anything ? 

Yea, I can't think of any time, anywhere either.

 

USA is the only power, BUT, too busy playing corporate security around the world.  Half their forces spread out, and the other half in mothballs or doesn't work.   

 

With no 'real' friends in the region, China is a long way from the USA to do anything. 

Just another MSM distractions, while the corporate world steals your money.

 

War with China ... NO PROFIT

The fake cold war ... hell yea, LOTS OF PROFIT

On 6/6/2022 at 8:57 AM, GammaGlobulin said:

I am fine. 

 

I feel even finer after having left Betel Nut Island. 

 

Please don't misunderstand...

 

Democracy on Formosa is a charade. 

 

Enjoy your time in the sun under the protective parasol of American military might, while it lasts. 

 

After that, then Taiwan will surely be strawberry 

Tell us more .. what is the likely outcome on either side in the event of an invasion ? 

2 minutes ago, Sqoop said:

Tell us more .. what is the likely outcome on either side in the event of an invasion ? 

Cina roll over Thaiwan, and then take over? 
 

Then what? What can Usa do? What can Nato do? Thats the question. 

On 6/5/2022 at 11:11 PM, dj230 said:

How was Thailand affected by Ukraine invading Russia? 

Food and fuel prices, inflation, weaker Baht, high world-wide commodity prices. No Russian tourists, no Russian flight income. Do you need more? 

On 6/6/2022 at 11:23 AM, GammaGlobulin said:

Fair question. 

 

No, I am not Mainland Chinese, Waishengren, nor am I Bendiren. 

 

Neither am I Hakka. 

 

Neither am I a Taiwan aboriginal person. 

 

Nor am I a descendant of the Dutch who briefly visited Taiwan, for that matter. 

 

Still, I was there about the time Jiang Jingguo took over from his corrupt father. 

 

Poor old Jiang Jingguo... He died a very difficult death, hounded by the press, to his final moments. 

 

I have always felt sympathy for him, having seen him in his final days. 

 

 

 

 

Formosan? Halfu?

 

Didn't mention the rather lengthy Japanese period...

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

China could nuke Taiwan out of existence tomorrow, and the world not only wouldn't, but couldn't do anything about it.

 

With no 'real' friends in the region, China is a long way from the USA to do anything. 

Just another MSM distractions, while the corporate world steals your money.

 

War with China ... NO PROFIT

The fake cold war ... hell yea, LOTS OF PROFIT

As has been noted many, many times Biden (like most of his predecessors) has already pledged to defend Taiwan in the face of Chinese aggression. 

 

Secondly, mainland US is only 14 hours away from China (what with the world being a globe and all that), Hawaii is only 10 hours and Guam is a mere 6 hours. You do also realise that the US has plenty of 'friends' in the area to include Japan and S. Korea where it actually has air bases? 

 

They might be reluctant to get involved in a Taiwan V China spat but it's not for any of the reasons you have mentioned.

25 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

As has been noted many, many times Biden (like most of his predecessors) has already pledged to defend Taiwan in the face of Chinese aggression. 

 

Secondly, mainland US is only 14 hours away from China (what with the world being a globe and all that), Hawaii is only 10 hours and Guam is a mere 6 hours. You do also realise that the US has plenty of 'friends' in the area to include Japan and S. Korea where it actually has air bases? 

 

They might be reluctant to get involved in a Taiwan V China spat but it's not for any of the reasons you have mentioned.

Usa and If Nato get involved, we would need more mainland bases than just South Korea, and Japan. Do not forget North Korea as Chinas allied. 
 

Pillippines, Thailand, Vietnam would need to support bases, while Laos and Combodia is in Chineese pockets, it could be interesting to see who actually would allow bases and continue being willing to support bases on their mainland. 

2 hours ago, KhunLA said:

China could nuke Taiwan out of existence tomorrow, and the world not only wouldn't, but couldn't do anything about it.

 

RU wouldn't care, UK military is a joke, and NATO doesn't exist without the USA...

... and the USA ... ????????????????????????

 

When's the last time they won anything ? 

Yea, I can't think of any time, anywhere either.

 

USA is the only power, BUT, too busy playing corporate security around the world.  Half their forces spread out, and the other half in mothballs or doesn't work.   

 

With no 'real' friends in the region, China is a long way from the USA to do anything. 

Just another MSM distractions, while the corporate world steals your money.

 

War with China ... NO PROFIT

The fake cold war ... hell yea, LOTS OF PROFIT

I would dear to say, Usa have no future without Nato! 

On 6/5/2022 at 9:53 PM, Denim said:

China wont invade Taiwan. Too much to lose not much to gain. Plus that bit of water between the two countries is a more formidable barrier than a barbed wire fence.

Taiwan is Xi Ji Ping's  he and his gang of cronies obsession, before him Deng XiaoPing, Jiang Zemin and/or HuJintao none were worried much about Taiwan

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

I would dear to say, Usa have no future without Nato! 

You mean NATO has no future without USA.

What is your plan when China invades Taiwan?

 

Break out the popcorn....

8 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

You mean NATO has no future without USA.

Ai, please, my father is stronger than yours? 
 

We are not only talking about nukes here, and as we look back on the constant reminders of decades of military operation failures, it is not always about how many bullets or granades either. It is about strategic solid bases and supply lines, motivation, and also economic. 
 

We need Usa, Usa need Nato, simple as that. 

On 6/5/2022 at 11:11 PM, dj230 said:

How was Thailand affected by Ukraine invading Russia? 

 

5 hours ago, sandyf said:

What basis would there be for sanctions, it is a domestic dispute not an international "invasion". Ukraine is an internationally recognised sovereign state, Taiwan is not, there is no comparison.

 

Perhaps it could be turned into whatever the west would want it to be.  Eg.  they are still looking for Saddam's weapons of mass destruction. 

 

5 hours ago, sandyf said:

Where were the sanctions when they took over Hong Kong?

 

Sure, but times have changed, and due to covid, the west grew weaker, while China grew stronger.

 

5 hours ago, sandyf said:

In 1965 Rhodesia broke away from the UK and was in limbo, much like Taiwan, for many years. The UK was faced with forcibly taking back control or allowing independence, and chose the latter. China however is more likely to pursue the former.

 

Is the UK communists, with over a billion people, and a global super power?  Your comparison is not relevant. 

5 hours ago, sandyf said:

There would be a lot of international condemnation but secretly but many in the upper levels of governments would be relieved. Currently very awkward for countries that want to trade with both Taiwan and China.

 

Are you suggesting the west would do absolutely nothing, other than to "condemn" China's actions in the media? 

19 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Ai, please, my father is stronger than yours? 
 

We are not only talking about nukes here, and as we look back on the constant reminders of decades of military operation failures, it is not always about how many bullets or granades either. It is about strategic solid bases and supply lines, motivation, and also economic. 
 

We need Usa, Usa need Nato, simple as that. 

NATO is useless in S China Sea.  OZ is there, that's about it.  You think anyone else in the region wants to pis China off.   I doubt if even Thailand would assist, let USA use airbases.  Not that they would need to, having 4 CSGs in the area.

On 6/5/2022 at 10:47 PM, Leaver said:

 

Russia invading Ukraine effected the world, and that includes Thailand.

 

You think China invading Taiwan will not effect the world, also?  

Yes. When CCP Invasion Forces Obliterated in hours, I will hope to have a Ringside TV Seat ????????

On 6/6/2022 at 3:03 PM, sandyf said:

Not to the same extent, Taiwan does not contribute to the world food basket in the same way as Ukraine.

It would also be a completely different scenario, Taiwan is not a sovereign country and officially still belongs to China so any invasion would effectively be a civil war.

In view of the way China has reclaimed control of Hong Kong it is probably a question of when rather than if.

Keeping Taiwan out of Chinese control is strategically very important because around 85% of advanced semiconductors are made there. For the West that is just as important as the food shortage caused by the blockade of Ukraine's ports.

 

It would be very difficult for Taiwan to defend itself in the near term for the reasons noted by @GammaGlobulin in his/her first post.