9 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

first Thai wife - non bargirl

Over the many years, I've met a few professional women (office workers) in Pattaya from Bangkok.

I've got close to quite a few of these women, having a short time here and there.

What I found is, a prostitute doesn't necessarily work in a bar, lots of Freelance ladies who work 9 to 5 office jobs in Bangkok, they come down to Pattaya for some extra cash on weekends, often with their colleagues and their happy to do a short time together. I'm sure quite a few Pattaya office workers freelance on the side for extra cash. 

 

BTW, while I'm here, prostitutes work all over the world, I like the bar girls in Thailand, always fun to sit down with and have a drink and a chat, there's no off-limits, everything is on the table for discussion. 

 

2 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

I know of GoGo dancers getting 100k per month. 

 

Some of these girls have 4, 5 or 6 sponsors sending money every month. 

 

You are correct. 

 

But there are 10,000+ ladies in Pattaya, and you are describing the top 1% of the food chain. 

 

BTW, i know a lady making big money, but her family demands 50,000 baht a month. 

1 minute ago, Danderman123 said:

are 10,000+ ladies in Pattaya, and you are describing the top 1% of tge food chain

Top 1%

 

These are the only ladies I hang around. 

 

 

2 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

It's been that way for years. 

 

Are you new to town? 

It’s my impression that 10 day contracts that are the norm now, are a new thing, replacing the monthly contracts that used to be common. 

 

What's your opinion? 

3 minutes ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

Top 1%

 

These are the only ladies I hang around. 

 

 

Whereas i am writing about a larger segment of the ladies, those that are not top tier in earnings because they are lazy. 

4 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Bargirls generally crave young Thai men.

 

Even marginal earners will blow their salary on boys in karaoke bars.

 

The ladies will go to karaoke bars after their bars close.

 

The boys will go to karaoke bars after their elderly Farang customer goes to sleep.

I'm not sure what this has to do with my comment.  Could you expand a little?

Just now, Danderman123 said:

It’s my impression that 10 day contracts that are the norm now, are a new thing, replacing the monthly contracts that used to be common. 

 

What's your opinion? 

You are wrong, as @SAFETY FIRST states 10 day contracts have been that way for many many years

26 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

It’s my impression that 10 day contracts that are the norm now, are a new thing, replacing the monthly contracts that used to be common. 

 

What's your opinion? 

Get rid of the contracts, employ the girls on good monthly salary. 

Also find loyal girls, maybe you're not doing your du diligence, hard work will pay off, looking for answers on AN is not your solution. 

 

The girls are lazy (I would be too if I was beautiful) and they will bar fine themselves for days off. 

 

Bars, it's not an easy business, if it was everyone would be doing it. 

 

 

title is wrong
you mean agency girls
and yes i agree, these were a headache when i was running a go go
in the end i got rid of all agency girls or girls that wanted to work "tag"
the one problem is those who want such work are also usually on the pipe
they work 10 days to avoid monthly dope testing
if they have an agent they are very bad as they dont care about your biz and will do bare minimum to get paid
as agent will just place them somewhere else if you complain or get rid of them
they also require increased bar fine which rarely happens, as punters take the other girls

On 6/21/2022 at 12:43 PM, Danderman123 said:

So says my bargirlfriend, who recruits ladies for bars and gogos.

sounds like she is an agent
which is part of the problem????‍♂️

56 minutes ago, Excel said:

You are wrong, as @SAFETY FIRST states 10 day contracts have been that way for many many years

My impression is that 10 day contracts are newly common. I don't remember any bar girls working under 10 day contracts before Covid. 

 

I could be wrong on this, i will check. 

On 6/21/2022 at 1:02 PM, bolt said:

A bar girl has an earning potential of 20-30K per month, whereas working in a Gym or hotel reception is 10-12k

 

Incredibly difficult decision to make for a young girl, and to be honest working in a bar looks like fun most days.

Not including the earnings from her customers. A hot young one can pull in well in excess of 100,000 baht a month. I know an exceptionally hot and beautiful gal who worked in a short time bar, saved up her money, and walked away with 3 million baht after 20 months of work. Sure, she likely had 3,000 customers.

 

The economy here insures the inability of a woman without a specialized university degree, a lifetime of barely getting by. I understand the tough choices some have to make. 

20 minutes ago, patman30 said:

title is wrong
you mean agency girls
and yes i agree, these were a headache when i was running a go go
in the end i got rid of all agency girls or girls that wanted to work "tag"
the one problem is those who want such work are also usually on the pipe
they work 10 days to avoid monthly dope testing
if they have an agent they are very bad as they dont care about your biz and will do bare minimum to get paid
as agent will just place them somewhere else if you complain or get rid of them
they also require increased bar fine which rarely happens, as punters take the other girls

When you were running a gogo, were 10 day contracts common, or mostly monthly salary deals? 

30 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

My impression is that 10 day contracts are newly common. I don't remember any bar girls working under 10 day contracts before Covid. 

 

I could be wrong on this, i will check. 

No need to check, you are wrong 

I can recall the day when a bar girl did not have a phone.

Good days indeed 

1 minute ago, Lucky Bones said:

I can recall the day when a bar girl did not have a phone.

Good days indeed 

I can recall the day when none of us had mobile phones

34 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

 walked away with 3 million baht after 20 months of work. Sure, she likely had 3,000 customers.

Isn't that cheap, and also would taken her even with that estimate 3 years or more. 

 

 

They turn on their stomachs right..

4 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

When you were running a gogo, were 10 day contracts common, or mostly monthly salary deals? 

they are common, have been for years
i remember first agency girls coming from bangkok being in baccara when it first opened (15 years ago???)
they are useful as temp fix to low staff or whenever extra girls are needed
bigger places use them more
we had about 50-100 girls working each night
but most of our girls worked monthly, they were always the better girls by far
we had some agency girls, and some work "tag" (same thing no agent)
but i soon stopped 10 days and got the girls who did not have an agent on monthly (the good ones i wanted to keep)
The agency girls quickly became a PITA, high BF nobody wanted and many times would put customers off completely
as they would assume all that rate
girls would get their required 5 drinks bought for them then not care at all
would be pushy with customers only caring about BF, once they knew they would have to work for it, some would just walk away from customers
because most did not care about lady drinks (after they got the required 5)
but seriously most of them are on the pipe, that is why they like to work it and not monthly
and why they are in karaoke bars all night after
most places require a neg tests each month (amphetamine and hiv) before staff receive their monthly salary

nearly every bar owner will tell you agency girls are bad for biz
should only be used temporaily and phased out asap

1 hour ago, patman30 said:

they are common, have been for years
i remember first agency girls coming from bangkok being in baccara when it first opened (15 years ago???)
they are useful as temp fix to low staff or whenever extra girls are needed
bigger places use them more
we had about 50-100 girls working each night
but most of our girls worked monthly, they were always the better girls by far
we had some agency girls, and some work "tag" (same thing no agent)
but i soon stopped 10 days and got the girls who did not have an agent on monthly (the good ones i wanted to keep)
The agency girls quickly became a PITA, high BF nobody wanted and many times would put customers off completely
as they would assume all that rate
girls would get their required 5 drinks bought for them then not care at all
would be pushy with customers only caring about BF, once they knew they would have to work for it, some would just walk away from customers
because most did not care about lady drinks (after they got the required 5)
but seriously most of them are on the pipe, that is why they like to work it and not monthly
and why they are in karaoke bars all night after
most places require a neg tests each month (amphetamine and hiv) before staff receive their monthly salary

nearly every bar owner will tell you agency girls are bad for biz
should only be used temporaily and phased out asap

What I got from your post was that 10 day contracts existed before Covid, but most of your ladies worked under monthly salaries.

5 hours ago, Excel said:

No need to check, you are wrong 

There is a distinction between gogo girls and bargirls.

 

10 day contracts exist now for bar girls, which is a new thing.

 

10 day contracts are common now for gogo girls, which is a new thing.

20 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

What I got from your post was that 10 day contracts existed before Covid, but most of your ladies worked under monthly salaries.

exactly.
agency/tag girls are just unreliable and not loyal to the biz
it takes time for any biz to establish good staff
you use agency/tag girls to fill the gaps till then
when we opened we must have had about 50 agency girls
we dropped that down to about 30 after the first 10 days
then continued to reduce the number
after 3 months we had about 3 agency girls and 1 tag girl (no agent)
these were obviously ones that made a bit more sense to keep for the biz
but afterJanuary we stopped all and only had salary girls

26 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

10 day contracts are common now for gogo girls, which is a new thing.

being common is not new, all the bigger gogos use them at some point
many gogos have only agency girls as the owners/manager fail to get staff
it is hard work getting staff, it takes a LOT of effort and bag waan
especially for new bars or struggling bars etc. or less known owners

if any place is using mostly agency girls

it is a very bad sign for the business

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13 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

The girls are lazy (I would be too if I was beautiful)

I'm a teacher and it happens already in M1 and M2 (7th and 8th grade). The pretty ones play on their phones and there's no getting them to do anything. Sometimes they even sit outside of class, and the boys line up. They learn quickly. Now imagine another 10 years of that, thorough training for their desired lifestyle.

12 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Not including the earnings from her customers. A hot young one can pull in well in excess of 100,000 baht a month. I know an exceptionally hot and beautiful gal who worked in a short time bar, saved up her money, and walked away with 3 million baht after 20 months of work. Sure, she likely had 3,000 customers.

 

The economy here insures the inability of a woman without a specialized university degree, a lifetime of barely getting by. I understand the tough choices some have to make. 

My first Thai live in gf used to charge 40,000bht/weekend back in 2009.

(worked the expensive hotels in Chiang Mai through an escort service)

 

Sadly I had to get rid, as her previous customers would arrive in Thailand and call her, and she wasn't about to turn down 40kbht+ for 2 nights and an all expenses paid holiday in Phuket/Krabi/etc.

 

Lovely girl, ended up married to an old Dutch guy who built her a resort just outside of Chiang Mai.

3 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

My first Thai live in gf used to charge 40,000bht/weekend back in 2009.

(worked the expensive hotels in Chiang Mai through an escort service)

 

Sadly I had to get rid, as her previous customers would arrive in Thailand and call her, and she wasn't about to turn down 40kbht+ for 2 nights and an all expenses paid holiday in Phuket/Krabi/etc.

 

Lovely girl, ended up married to an old Dutch guy who built her a resort just outside of Chiang Mai.

she knew how to play the game .... 

Life is full of twists and turns, like a rotating door, Next.....

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

My first Thai live in gf used to charge 40,000bht/weekend back in 2009.

(worked the expensive hotels in Chiang Mai through an escort service)

Worth every baht.

11 hours ago, patman30 said:

being common is not new, all the bigger gogos use them at some point
many gogos have only agency girls as the owners/manager fail to get staff
it is hard work getting staff, it takes a LOT of effort and bag waan
especially for new bars or struggling bars etc. or less known owners

if any place is using mostly agency girls

it is a very bad sign for the business

I am saying that, for gogos, 10 day contracts are common now, but not so common before Covid.

 

Before Covid, gogos used 10 day contracts only when they had a shortage of ladies.