Thaksin compares marijuana to opium, says education is needed and proper science

[timkeen08]

12 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

Opium made from Poppy's, Marijuana bud smoked directly from the plant.  Can you get high from smoking a Poppy, my friends blowfish wants to know.....

https://www.inverse.com/science/can-poppy-seeds-get-you-high

[cncltd1973]

Thais should be educated not to smoke while already drunk, that can get some very sick as it amplifies the alcohol effect.

And don't keep fertilizing the plant after it blooms or the smoke will give a headache. Don't use pesticides.

Use common sense. Education completed.

[cdemundo]

13 hours ago, 2baht said:

Khun ToNee! He would just love to be a farang!

Maybe he is working in a call center.

[billd766]

3 hours ago, stoner said:

my qualifications ? 

 

ok well i have been high for 30 years. jokes aside....

 

i have been growing cannabis for almost 15 years

held a medical license in canada for 10 years

have been doing bho extraction for 5 years (recently was further trained by a cannabis cup winning extract professional)

learned short path distillation on my own

 

helped build the largest private medical dispensary chain in toronto

own a consulting company teaching and helping people who want to know about cannabis

have been involved with one of the largest cannabis companies in thailand for close to 3 years 

i know the majority of the underground here as well

 

over the last decade i have helped many many people with all sorts of ailments etc

 

that should clear the air ? 

 

 

 

 

Thank you. Yes it did clear the air for me.

 

I have nothing like that to claim as I have never used illegal drugs and at 78 they hold no interest for me at all.

 

There are quite a few posters on here who claim so many things bur in reality they know little or nothing of the subject.

[spidermike007]

The newly coined wood man (aspirations of being a porn star?) is both right and wrong. 

 

1. He is very right about Cha Cha decimating the economy here. The nature of the highly selective economic shutdowns, which favored his cronies was dreadfully destructive. Millions of jobs were lost. Tourism was nearly destroyed due to massive cowardice. 

 

2. Thaksin is obviously speaking of something he knows nothing about, when wading into the ganga discussion. He could not possibly be more wrong, on all counts. Any comparison to opium, which unlike ganga is physiologically addicting, is a fools errand and can only come from a person possessing a spectacular degree of ignorance and preconceived notions. 

 

[fondue zoo]

He really needs to lay off the botox for a bit.. jeez

[josephbloggs]

The most despicable self serving t**t that has ever held power in Thailand - and that is saying a lot.

It's equal to opium?  No it isn't!!  Saw someone overdose and want to jump off a building who'd smoked a spliff?  Must be a world's first.  But he witnessed it with his own eyes so must be true.

How many did he kill for marijuana during his war on drugs?  

Asean Now should be absolutely condemned for publishing this nonsense and giving this convicted criminal media exposure.  Shame on them.  If anyone is too dumb to see what his agenda is then shame on them too.

And....Tony Woodsome????

[garyk]

Sure thing big T, and lets see. You are banned for life from Thailand for being a sweet, lovable and honest fellow..  

[charmonman]

18 hours ago, stoner said:

didn't say he was stupid. ????

 

Actually on certain subjects, he is incredibly stupid - and ignorant.

[Stargeezr]

Well I noticed that some pro drug, or weed people are  upset by a ghost of the past.

  Stoner, perhaps, and several others. I am upset with the present government, 

but that is just me. Carry on.

[Gottfrid]

15 hours ago, robblok said:

Your a bit uninformed, but that is normal on this forum of alcohol lovers. How about we let science tell us instead of your....

 

As a self confessed Author would you not first do some research ?

 

But yes it should be discouraged and given this graph alcohol should be discoraged even more.

 

Source Mayoclinic 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3538401/

 

Yes! According to you, everyone is a little bit uninformed. The plain truth is that alcohol might or not might, be more dangerous than marijuana.

We simply do not know that, as alcohol have been researched much longer and much more. It might simply be, that we still not know all the effects of cannabis and marijuana. Or maybe, you are the oracle that can dismiss that too.

If you wish to promote cannabis, just say so instead.

[stoner]

14 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

The plain truth is that alcohol might or not might, be more dangerous than marijuana.

this is false. cannabis and its effects have been studied for decades now. canada and israel are good places to start.

 

the long list of problems alcohol causes vs the list of problems cannabis causes..... its clear which is worse.

[robblok]

2 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

Yes! According to you, everyone is a little bit uninformed. The plain truth is that alcohol might or not might, be more dangerous than marijuana.

We simply do not know that, as alcohol have been researched much longer and much more. It might simply be, that we still not know all the effects of cannabis and marijuana. Or maybe, you are the oracle that can dismiss that too.

If you wish to promote cannabis, just say so instead.

No I back my stuff up with science, and research while you back it up with ..... nothing.

 

Cannabis has been researched in more liberal countries like the Netherlands for decades. All science points to alcohol being far more dangerous. Even Brit Scientists agree and rank alcohol high risk. 

 

I think im the only one that posted some research nobody else did so yea im intitled to call people uninformed and you too as you seem to think cannabis has not been researched much. Just that something is illegal does not mean they don't research it.  Some countries might say it but its been researched for decades in my country. 

 

Its just a fact that many on this forum don't want to admit that alcohol is worse because then they cant look down on pot users anymore. I am not saying that pot is harmless as no drug ever is.

https://journal.nzma.org.nz/journal-articles/alcohol-is-more-harmful-than-cannabis (THC / Ethanol (alcohol)) coparison

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-11660210  (harm score see graph)

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/320895  (alchol more damaging for brain health then marijuana)

 

[brianthainess]

On 6/22/2022 at 7:24 AM, webfact said:

"When opium first came on the scene it also had lots of properties that people would use it for. But it was used recreationally and abused.

 

"This then led to heroin".

Tony you need to educate yourself, Opium is physically addictive, Heroin is manufactured from Opium and physically addictive. Weed is NOT physically addictive.

[metisdead]

A post containing content that was copy and pasted from some site without providing a valid link to the source of information has been removed.

 

Please use discretion in your references to the government. Phrases which can be considered as anti-coup will be removed. Referring to Thailand or the government as a dictatorship, military dictatorship or other such terms will be removed.

[brianthainess]

3 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

We simply do not know that, as alcohol have been researched much longer and much more. It might simply be, that we still not know all the effects of cannabis and marijuana. Or maybe, you are the oracle that can dismiss that too.

'We' ?  you mean ' You simply do not no that'  while the rest of us are pretty sure alcohol has many adverse effects including physical addiction and heaps of body/brain damage.

[Bert got kinky]

 

He spoke of how he took a cheaply available ganja product in a capsule

 

When did this happen, where and when did he take a ganja product.

If it was in Thailand then the ganja was not legal back then, so he must have taken illegal drugs.

In order to justify his war on drugs, he should take himself outside and shoot himself.

 

In fact, drugs or no drugs, he should still take himself outside and shoot himself, do the Thais a favour.

 

Also, who was making ganja products that were taken in capsules back then?

Surely, the Square Headed one cannot be telling porkies?

 

 

Edited June 23, 2022 by Bert got kinky

[Bert got kinky]

7 minutes ago, brianthainess said:

'We' ?  you mean ' You simply do not no that'  while the rest of us are pretty sure alcohol has many adverse effects including physical addiction and heaps of body/brain damage.

 

Go easy on him, his brain was pickled by alcohol so long ago that he has trouble understanding research and the facts that it brings.

It's much easier to down another shot of Lao Khao for breakfast than to have to think about 'things'.

Other posters have tried to help this chap by showing him research but it's all a bit much for him, some of the words in the research have more than 2 syllables.

 

 

 

 

[MrMojoRisin]

10 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

The most despicable self serving t**t that has ever held power in Thailand - and that is saying a lot.

It's equal to opium?  No it isn't!!  Saw someone overdose and want to jump off a building who'd smoked a spliff?  Must be a world's first.  But he witnessed it with his own eyes so must be true.

How many did he kill for marijuana during his war on drugs?  

Asean Now should be absolutely condemned for publishing this nonsense and giving this convicted criminal media exposure.  Shame on them.  If anyone is too dumb to see what his agenda is then shame on them too.

And....Tony Woodsome????

Such vitriol over a few comments from Dr T on what can only be described as a minor side issue when it comes to the affairs of state. Me thinks you’re one of the unenlightened coup supporting neophytes who are always ever so quick to see the twig in Dr T’s eye but are never quite able to bring yourself to see the log in Prayuth and company’s eye.

[MrMojoRisin]

9 hours ago, garyk said:

Sure thing big T, and lets see. You are banned for life from Thailand for being a sweet, lovable and honest fellow..  

He is not banned from Thailand. He can come back whenever he pleases. He hasn’t returned as he, quite correctly, has no desire to face a corrupted Thai legal system. Sweet, lovable and honest has nothing to do with the predicament he finds himself in - he is in exile as the anti democratic forces of Thailand know that any election the has any semblance of fairness will result yet another absolutely crushing landslide victory to Thaksin which would inevitably lead to a significant loss of income to all of those on the pro-coup side.

[BritManToo]

MJ is the first subject where Prayut has beaten Thaksin.

And if Thaksin wants to go against it, he'll see his popularity falling big time.

Even little old grannies in the village want MJ leaves to put in their soup and stews.

 

Edited June 23, 2022 by BritManToo

[josephbloggs]

16 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Such vitriol over a few comments from Dr T on what can only be described as a minor side issue when it comes to the affairs of state. Me thinks you’re one of the unenlightened coup supporting neophytes who are always ever so quick to see the twig in Dr T’s eye but are never quite able to bring yourself to see the log in Prayuth and company’s eye.

And you are one of those people who is so fanatical that you equate disliking Tony with liking Prayut.  How and why do you draw that conclusion when I never mentioned Prayut?  It's a very childish argument to make.  I am no fan of his either by the way.

I merely stated that Tony is one of the most self-serving despicable "leaders" that this country has ever had, and when he spouts lies to promote himself or stir the pot - as he is doing here - then his nonsense should not be given mainstream media space.  Ignore him, don't give him a platform to lie, and he remains irrelevant.

Should he have something valid to say that truly has the people at heart then go for it.  But equating marijuana (non addictive) to heroin is a ridiculous stretch, saying he saw a man jump off a building because he smoked a spliff is beyond belief.  But his fanboys will support him no matter what.  I am sure you supported his blatant corruption, his moral failings, his murderous "war on drugs".......or maybe your blinkers help you overlook it because he won elections.  Up to you, but don't tell me I am an "unenlightened coup supporting neophyte" when I have never discussed the coup or anything to do with it.

[MrMojoRisin]

4 minutes ago, Bert got kinky said:

This thread is not a place for you to spout about your political beliefs.

If you feel the need to protect corrupt politicians, make you own thread.

 

To quote you in this thread:

 

“he should take himself outside and shoot himself. In fact drugs or no drugs he should still take himself outside and shoot himself, do the Thais a favour.”

 

It appears you believe this thread is not a place for me to spout about politics but instead a haven for hypocrites.

 

Please leave the moderating to the educated.

[CharlieH]

Post in colored font removed along with those quoting it.

 

DO NOT use colored fonts as per forum rules.

[Bert got kinky]

Just now, MrMojoRisin said:

To quote you in this thread:

 

“he should take himself outside and shoot himself. In fact drugs or no drugs he should still take himself outside and shoot himself, do the Thais a favour.”

 

It appears you believe this thread is not a place for me to spout about politics but instead a haven for hypocrites.

 

Please leave the moderating to the educated.

The story is about Thaksin trying to mess with Thai politics.

It is not about politics, it is about one man sticking his nose in where it does not belong.

You are the one who is trying to hi-jack the thread and turn it into a thread about your hero.

 

Take your rubbish elsewhere, it is not wanted on here.

 

B.T.W., educated is being able to make your own mind up, not what your Thai G/F tells you that you should believe. ????

 

 

 

[billd766]

1 minute ago, Bert got kinky said:

The story is about Thaksin trying to mess with Thai politics.

It is not about politics, it is about one man sticking his nose in where it does not belong.

You are the one who is trying to hi-jack the thread and turn it into a thread about your hero.

 

Take your rubbish elsewhere, it is not wanted on here.

 

B.T.W., educated is being able to make your own mind up, not what your Thai G/F tells you that you should believe. ????

 

 

 

If you have a problem with his posts you can report them to the moderators and accept their decision.

 

He has the same freedom to post in any thread just as you do. If you don't like his post then just move past it and make no comment.

 

I have been doing that in this thread from the start.

 

 

[Rimmer]

Off topic and bickering posts removed

[zzaa09]

18 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

The newly coined wood man (aspirations of being a porn star?) is both right and wrong. 

 

1. He is very right about Cha Cha decimating the economy here. The nature of the highly selective economic shutdowns, which favored his cronies was dreadfully destructive. Millions of jobs were lost. Tourism was nearly destroyed due to massive cowardice. 

 

2. Thaksin is obviously speaking of something he knows nothing about, when wading into the ganga discussion. He could not possibly be more wrong, on all counts. Any comparison to opium, which unlike ganga is physiologically addicting, is a fools errand and can only come from a person possessing a spectacular degree of ignorance and preconceived notions. 

 

Has little to do with any lucid content or perspective as to any sound punditry or ignorance coming from Shinawatra quarters - but has everything to do with the continued attention and spotlight, which he has enjoyed greatly in the last couple of years......within particular venues and platforms that are firmly in place and expanding. 

 

It's all about Tony. Little else.

[Rimmer]

Flame and a couple of replies removed

[Gang Warily]

On the subject of drugs if I search Google 'Luke Cook sentenced to death' I find quite an offence post here from Webfact with the  a story headed 'Amazing fall from grace for Pattaya Big Shot Luke',  This was followed by the usual comments from punters of the 'serves him right' variety.   It is clear that this story was cobbled together from reports in the trained media. But putting the knife in Webfact added such things as: 'Thaivisa sources close to Cook said that his wife Kanyarat Wechapitak, 40, was a "controlling and unpleasant person".

He further stated: 

 

"An insider source who knew Cook well and asked not to be named told Thaivisa that Kanyarat was an unpleasant and controlling wife who kept her hands on business matters. 

She was described to Thaivisa as an attention seeker who would hog the karaoke microphone at the couple's bar and who aspired to a hi-so life."

 

In view of the fact that Luke Cook was acquitted at the Supreme Court and no other charges were pursued  against him the comments from an 'insider source' are highly libellous. In fact they were libellous at the time but of course the three defendants were in jail having been sentenced to death so Webfact might have felt very safe.  You can guess what my advice might be now..