The REAL EV vehicle discussion thread.....

[seedy]

 

[seedy]

Coming soon to all the roof top solar aficionados - you can power your EV with your own waste !

 

Feces (we all know the real word) money

South Korean professor Cho Jae-weon invented a toilet that turns poop into energy and pays people in digital currency.

A person defecates~ 500g/day converted into 50 liters of methane gas which generates 0.5 kWh.

Toilet users earn Ggool, a literal feces coin coin

[seedy]

Poor Aussies !

Just watch a video where an Aussie company - good news for them - was paid by the Aus Taxpayers $871,000 to install 50 EV charging points in Sydney

$17,420 each !!!

 

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On 9/1/2022 at 9:23 PM, seedy said:

Poor Aussies !

Just watch a video where an Aussie company - good news for them - was paid by the Aus Taxpayers $871,000 to install 50 EV charging points in Sydney

$17,420 each !!!

 

Especially ridiculous, because as John Cadogan the expert car salesman. has repeatedly predicted, EV manufacturers such as Tesla, are doomed to fail. Why bother to prepare for the futue when it's clear that EV's don't have one:

https://www.iea.org/data-and-statistics/charts/global-sales-and-sales-market-share-of-electric-cars-2010-2021

[Gweiloman]

13 hours ago, placeholder said:

Especially ridiculous, because as John Cadogan the expert car salesman. has repeatedly predicted, EV manufacturers such as Tesla, are doomed to fail. Why bother to prepare for the futue when it's clear that EV's don't have one:

https://www.iea.org/data-and-statistics/charts/global-sales-and-sales-market-share-of-electric-cars-2010-2021

In your opinion, what is the future then? Lots of countries are banning the sale of ICEs within the next 10-15 yrs. What kind of vehicles will replace the Ice?

 

Personally, I think the way to go is PHEV. This is the best of both worlds.

[seedy]

Here is a clear, concise, real world scenario for 3 different groups of users of the new Ford EV Transit van. In some situations the so-called "EV Hater" recommends an EV.

Most useful as it explains the 'smoke and mirrors' that the EV manufacturers try and get people to believe regarding range and charging times.

 

[lapswim]

Thailand wants to be on the EV wagon and become a supplier so it wants BEVs domestically too. However, current lithium BEVs do not work well in very cold or very hot conditions like Thailand. Governments are very bad at mandating technology, just look at all the diesel utes used as shopping cars and all of the 2.5 ppm particle pollution around Thailand. 

 

Wait for solid state batteries to improve their production capability and longevity.

[pedro01]

On 6/26/2022 at 10:47 AM, richard_smith237 said:

Perhaps by then Thailand’s motor servicing trade has evolved to ‘switch out batteries’...  in much the same way people can switch out their engines... people have Mercedes with Toyota engines !... 

 

But, when the batteries of the EV cars built into the chassis mean changing a batter means virtually completely disassembling the vehicle the battery change out may be too expensive. 

 

I see the who ‘vehicle ownership model’ changing completely... where people do not own their E.V.’s.... they lease them.

 

Thailand also brings in the ‘pick-up factor’....    In cities, people will lease their sedans and hatchbacks etc...the regular cars... whereas outside of the city people who ride around in and drive pickups will be much slower to adapt and these vehicles will be around for much longer as folks relying on pickups for transport are slower to adapt as are the vehicles themselves. 

Lease's are tricky. When you hand them back, you get a laundry list of "defects" that you have to pay for to return the car in it's original condition.

 

In other words - first time you lease a car and hand it back - you might be surprised to get a 100k+ bill for the privilege of not paying the balloon payment. 

 

If one of the defective parts is the battery - you could be looking at a $30k bill to give the car back.

 

[macahoom]

10 hours ago, lapswim said:

However, current lithium BEVs do not work well in very cold or very hot conditions like Thailand.

What exactly do you mean by "do not work very well"? Reduced range?

 

I have two EVs here in Thailand. I've had one of them for over three years. I have consistently got better range than the manufacturers' official figures.

 

From what I have read, I believe very cold climates reduce range significantly. The climate in Thailand (I live in Phuket) doesn't seem to be a problem.

[seedy]

Buying an EV ? Make sure it has V2L

Figures quoted for Aus so you will have to check how applicable the numbers are here. But 8% ROI is quite good.

Quite an eye opener !

 

[KhunLA]

Wow, he actually said something positive about EVs, and in the MG ZS EV linked early on.

 

Didn't realize electric (grid) was so expensive in OZ.  Takes a while longer for that ROI vs petrol there.

[Gweiloman]

V2l is definitely a bonus feature but not as valuable in Thailand as electrity prices are much lower and off peak rates are only 2 baht cheaper per kWh (assuming you have a TOU meter - thanks @Bandersnatch for that info)

[KhunLA]

Going to be a great feature when we're in camper mode, along with AC'd sleeping area ????

[Gweiloman]

12 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Going to be a great feature when we're in camper mode, along with AC'd sleeping area ????

I don’t camp nor sleep in my car. I prefer a comfortable hotel room with flushing toilets lol

[Gweiloman]

In any case, does anyone know what’s involved in hooking up an EV battery to the house mains?

[KhunLA]

39 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

In any case, does anyone know what’s involved in hooking up an EV battery to the house mains?

Would think no different than hooking up a generator to your breaker panel/box.  If trying to avoid running off a few extension cords.  

 

All sounds good in theory, but MG V2L for example is only rated at 3000w. I think.

 

Good for a water kettle & induction cooktop.

[Gweiloman]

12 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Would think no different than hooking up a generator to your breaker panel/box.  If trying to avoid running off a few extension cords.  

 

All sounds good in theory, but MG V2L for example is only rated at 2500w. I think.

 

Good for a water kettle & induction cooktop and possibly not full power if both on at same time.

Haha. Yes, extension cords are definitely not an option. 
 

Unlikely to be drawing 2500w for an extended period of time but then again, won’t the  grid  kick in?

[KhunLA]

3 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Haha. Yes, extension cords are definitely not an option. 
 

Unlikely to be drawing 2500w for an extended period of time but then again, won’t the  grid  kick in?

Found info, did an edit...3k ????

Good if playing camping.

[seedy]

Got range - NOT

 

[seedy]

 

[seedy]

https://www.benchmarkminerals.com/

[KhunLA]

Guess we're glad we got our order in already ????

[seedy]

 

[seedy]

As always - when Electric Jesus opens his mouth - preface all comments with ...

"Once Upon a Time"

Can't argue with Engineering - or Math. It either works or it don't.

 

[seedy]

 

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On 11/13/2022 at 1:18 PM, seedy said:

 

Thanks for sharing with us another round of the car salesman's spiel. Remember that this is the guy who's been predicting the demise of Tesla for years.

This time, the subject is even further removed from whatever his expertise consists of.

Here are some links for those of us who are sufficiently literate not to need to waste time watching videos. Which are also difficult to fact check. But I think that's part of their appeal to certain parties.

https://environment.yale.edu/news/article/yse-study-finds-electric-vehicles-provide-lower-carbon-emissions-through-additional

https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/electric-vehicle-myths

https://afdc.energy.gov/vehicles/electric_emissions.html

 

[seedy]

Nikola EV

Price $450,000

Range is 300 miles

Takes 4 hours to charge

Truck is 80 volt system

Charger needs 480 volt service

Charges at 175 kilowatts

[sometime]

 

[seedy]

One simple way for the Gov't to recoup lost revenue is to place an electric meter on your EV charger. This will replenish the coffers of the state from the loss of fuel tax.

 

[Gweiloman]

41 minutes ago, seedy said:

One simple way for the Gov't to recoup lost revenue is to place an electric meter on your EV charger. This will replenish the coffers of the state from the loss of fuel tax.

 

This makes no sense. You already have an electric meter at your home. What would having another meter on the charger do?