Liz Truss will 'deliver' on Boris Johnson's tax cuts, says Kwasi Kwarteng

[roquefort]

24 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

How about staying on topic?!

The topic in your post was corruption, law breaking and incompetence. I've just given you an example of the second one.

 

I could also give you examples of the other two, but I'd probably be wasting my breath.

[shackleton]

I would think most of us retired here in Thailand would like who ever is in charge to get the pound sterling back to what it was before Brexit 

Pensioners plus Tourists would like a stronger  pound to baht exchange rate 

[Excel]

Just now, shackleton said:

I would think most of us retired here in Thailand would like who ever is in charge to get the pound sterling back to what it was before Brexit 

Pensioners plus Tourists would like a stronger  pound to baht exchange rate 

Unfortunately with the British economy on a downward trend as is the Thai economy, I suspect the GBP/THB exchange rates will hover around where they are now.

[Mac Mickmanus]

6 minutes ago, shackleton said:

I would think most of us retired here in Thailand would like who ever is in charge to get the pound sterling back to what it was before Brexit 

Pensioners plus Tourists would like a stronger  pound to baht exchange rate 

The current UK /Baht exchange rate is the same as it was nine years ago  , it was about 44 in 2013 and its about 44 in 2022 .

   The current Baht/Pound exchange rate is the same as when the U.K was part of the E.U in 2013

[sandyf]

13 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Show what the tens of Billions of Pounds are 

GBP

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, sandyf said:

GBP

Thanks for the input, but the name of the currency wasn't questioned 

[George Aylesham]

16 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And cut public services in a society already floundering after over a decade of Tory austerity.

 

 

Yes the tax cuts will be financed by selling off even more of the National Health Service, Channel 4 and reducing Council grants even further.

[sandyf]

29 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The current UK /Baht exchange rate is the same as it was nine years ago  , it was about 44 in 2013 and its about 44 in 2022 .

   The current Baht/Pound exchange rate is the same as when the U.K was part of the E.U in 2013

Garbage.

[sandyf]

4 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Thanks for the input, but the name of the currency wasn't questioned 

You asked to see what "pounds" are.

[mrfill]

30 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The current UK /Baht exchange rate is the same as it was nine years ago  , it was about 44 in 2013 and its about 44 in 2022 .

   The current Baht/Pound exchange rate is the same as when the U.K was part of the E.U in 2013

44.9739 was its low point - the average was more like 48-49. After mid-August 2013 it remained at over 50 until year end.

Chart and table of daily rates if you wish to bicker https://www.exchangerates.org.uk/GBP-THB-spot-exchange-rates-history-2013.html

[Mac Mickmanus]

3 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Garbage.

Do a websearch and find out that its true .

Put *Pound Baht exchange rate 2013* into a google search engine .

Here , I will do it for you :

 

Monday 22 April 2013

£1 GBP = ฿43.8479

 

[mrfill]

18 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Do a websearch and find out that its true .

Put *Pound Baht exchange rate 2013* into a google search engine .

Here , I will do it for you :

 

Monday 22 April 2013

£1 GBP = ฿43.8479

 

When I did it, it came out as Tuesday 31 December 2013 £1 GBP = ฿54.2315

[BusyB]

17 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And cut public services in a society already floundering after over a decade of Tory austerity.

 

 

It seems to be what they all want - they keep returning these goofballs time and again. The UK is in a terminally sad state. The lunatics have very much taken over the asylum.

[Mac Mickmanus]

3 minutes ago, BusyB said:

It seems to be what they all want - they keep returning these goofballs time and again. The UK is in a terminally sad state. The lunatics have very much taken over the asylum.

Do you have a better idea ?

What measures should the U.K take to solve the current problems ?

[Mac Mickmanus]

11 minutes ago, mrfill said:

When I did it, it came out as Tuesday 31 December 2013 £1 GBP = ฿54.2315

Well, yes, you did choose a different date and currencies do fluctuate .

My point was that the current Pound/Baht rate was/had been the same (at times)  prior to Brexit 

[BusyB]

2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Do you have a better idea ?

What measures should the U.K take to solve the current problems ?

Since you ask:

 

The first thing the UK needs is an electoral system where the number of seats a party gets in parliament reflects the proportion of votes it got in the election. That would prevent a party getting an 80 seat majority on a 40% vote, and then running riot like the Tories have for far too many years.

 

And don't come with the old 'coalitions are bad' guff: in most countries it prevents the crazies from taking over, and puts the brakes on the crazies when they actually become the largest fraction in a parliament. Germany does extremely well with PR, and whatever flaws it may have, at least it's mostly adults in charge there and real political debate and change takes place.

 

I'm sure as a confirmed democrat you have nothing against a party getting the number of seats matching its vote from the populace?

 

The UK's current problems are almost all of its own making. Even without the ridiculous unforced error of Brexit. The externally caused problems are only exacerbated by having a bunch off utter nutters in charge. And still they blame the forinners. And still they play the victims. Like the current problem in Dover, which they blame on the French - not on the fact that the UK's (blue - wowee!) passports need closer checking on arrival in the EU because as a third country, which you voted for (suck it up), you underlie the restrictions on 3rd country travel in the EU. What a surprise!

 

But be my guest if that's what you all want. Fortunately it doesn't affect me. Except for the worries I have about my family because the general political direction of travel in UK is currently veery ominous.

 

The people who'll replace the lunatics are shaping up to be a whole lot nastier.

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, BusyB said:

Since you ask:

 

The first thing the UK needs is an electoral system where the number of seats a party gets in parliament reflects the proportion of votes it got in the election. That would prevent a party getting an 80 seat majority on a 40% vote, and then running riot like the Tories have for far too many years.

 

I'm sure as a confirmed democrat you have nothing against a party getting the number of seats matching its vote from the populace?

 

 

 

The problem with that system is that highly populated inner cities would then have a controlling stake in politics and the sparsely populated Countryside living people would have little or no say in the elections and the Political parties would concentrate on getting the city votes and neglecting the sparsely populated areas .

   Political parties would then just have to get the London/Cities vote to win the election .

   Give everything to the cities and neglect the countryside and win the election .

   That is the reason why the U.K has the current system , because it gives people living in sparsely populated areas a say in elections 

[Mac Mickmanus]

19 minutes ago, BusyB said:

The UK's current problems are almost all of its own making. Even without the ridiculous unforced error of Brexit. The externally caused problems are only exacerbated by having a bunch off utter nutters in charge. And still they blame the forinners. And still they play the victims. Like the current problem in Dover, which they blame on the French

There was actually a glitch on the French side , there was a technical problem and they couldn't operate to full capacity and thus there were delays on the U.K side  .  

    The U.K have just stated the problem that caused the delays , yes the U.K did blame the French for the delays , but that is because it was the French side that were the cause of the delays 

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3 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

There was actually a glitch on the French side , there was a technical problem and they couldn't operate to full capacity and thus there were delays on the U.K side  .  

    The U.K have just stated the problem that caused the delays , yes the U.K did blame the French for the delays , but that is because it was the French side that were the cause of the delays 

Brexit is definitely a contributing factor:

DOVER TRAFFIC - LIVE: BREXIT TO BLAME FOR ‘INCREASED TRANSACTION TIMES’ AS TRUSS URGES FRANCE TO ACT

There will be increased transaction times at the border due to extra checks needed since Brexit, the chief executive of the Port of Dover has said, as Tory leadership hopeful Liz Truss called on France to act over “entirely avoidable” delays.
Doug Bannister said the country is in a “post-Brexit environment” and that means that extra checks need to be made and “capable people” to man the booths at Dover.

Meanwhile, the foreign secretary said the delays and queues were “unacceptable”, blaming a lack of staffing by the French at the border.

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/dover-traffic-today-delays-queues-news-b2129651.html

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Brexit is definitely a contributing factor:

 

 

The Brexit rules and regulations have been in place for two and a half years now , everything necessary for the rule changes have been implemented and been running smoothly for over two years now .

   A technical glitch on the French side caused the current delays , 

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2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The Brexit rules and regulations have been in place for two and a half years now , everything necessary for the rule changes have been implemented and been running smoothly for over two years now .

   A technical glitch on the French side caused the current delays , 

So the fact that it takes longer to inspect a non-EU passport has in no way contributed to the delay?

[Loiner]

9 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Brexit is definitely a contributing factor:

DOVER TRAFFIC - LIVE: BREXIT TO BLAME FOR ‘INCREASED TRANSACTION TIMES’ AS TRUSS URGES FRANCE TO ACT

There will be increased transaction times at the border due to extra checks needed since Brexit, the chief executive of the Port of Dover has said, as Tory leadership hopeful Liz Truss called on France to act over “entirely avoidable” delays.
Doug Bannister said the country is in a “post-Brexit environment” and that means that extra checks need to be made and “capable people” to man the booths at Dover.

Meanwhile, the foreign secretary said the delays and queues were “unacceptable”, blaming a lack of staffing by the French at the border.

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/dover-traffic-today-delays-queues-news-b2129651.html

 

No. It's all a French created problem.  If they turned up for work as they were supposed to do, there would be no queues. 

[BusyB]

19 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The problem with that system is that highly populated inner cities would then have a controlling stake in politics and the sparsely populated Countryside living people would have little or no say in the elections and the Political parties would concentrate on getting the city votes and neglecting the sparsely populated areas .

   Political parties would then just have to get the London/Cities vote to win the election .

   Give everything to the cities and neglect the countryside and win the election .

   That is the reason why the U.K has the current system , because it gives people living in sparsely populated areas a say in elections 

So maybe you're happy with it.

However in the 21st century with media communications as they are, the archaic system that was last reviewed in 1832 is no longer fit for purpose. Do you think that sparsely populated areas in Germany lose their voice because of PR?

If they don't they still seem to do a lot better out of it than UK farmers now 555.

The electoral system is at the root of all UK problems, and it will only continue downhill (unless you're very rich) until it's changed.

How anyone who is not extremely rich or privileged can support a system that gives 80 seat majorities on 40% of the vote on the basis of such a flimsy argument (the same one the Americans use to justify the loser of an election being selected as the winner by the way) is beyond me.

But like I said, I don't live in a country where I have to suffer the effects of that kind of system. So I don't really cared.

But since you asked.

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The Brexit rules and regulations have been in place for two and a half years now , everything necessary for the rule changes have been implemented and been running smoothly for over two years now .

   A technical glitch on the French side caused the current delays , 

First of all, for the past  2 and 1/2 years there hasn't been much in the way of tourism, has there? What about the situation in 2019?

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, BusyB said:

So maybe you're happy with it.

However in the 21st century with media communications as they are, the archaic system that was last reviewed in 1832 is no longer fit for purpose. Do you think that sparsely populated areas in Germany lose their voice because of PR?

If they don't they still seem to do a lot better out of it than UK farmers now 555.

The electoral system is at the root of all UK problems, and it will only continue downhill (unless you're very rich) until it's changed.

How anyone who is not extremely rich or privileged can support a system that gives 80 seat majorities on 40% of the vote on the basis of such a flimsy argument (the same one the Americans use to justify the loser of an election being selected as the winner by the way) is beyond me.

But like I said, I don't live in a country where I have to suffer the effects of that kind of system. So I don't really cared.

But since you asked.

 

 

The UK did leave the E.U , to stop Europeans telling us what we should do and what we should be doing  .

   Just saying 

[BusyB]

20 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

There was actually a glitch on the French side , there was a technical problem and they couldn't operate to full capacity and thus there were delays on the U.K side  .  

    The U.K have just stated the problem that caused the delays , yes the U.K did blame the French for the delays , but that is because it was the French side that were the cause of the delays 

There was a time before you willingly became a third country that no checks were needed even though you weren't in Schengen. But now your stays in the EU are restricted to 180 days in 6 months (like you voted for) and so passports need checking, and more closely than previously.

Simples.

The French 555 ...

The lame excuses the Brexiteers keep turfing up to thinly paper over the obvious are as sick as the sickos and spineless creeps who used to go on TV and debase themselves denying Johnson's lies. Everyone knew they were lies, they knew they were lies, but they were all happy to demean themselves in public by defending it and saying they weren't lies, trotting out the most appalling excuses to this day.

One of those creeps will be your next head of government in your great demockracy. Enjoy.

 

[BusyB]

16 minutes ago, placeholder said:

First of all, for the past  2 and 1/2 years there hasn't been much in the way of tourism, has there? What about the situation in 2019?

The new rules didn't actually come into effect until the UK left finally. I think that was January 31st 2021.

(A short while later the 'oven ready deal' suddenly needed 'renegotiating'. But that's a totally different pack of lies.)

Edited July 23, 2022 by BusyB

[BusyB]

8 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The UK did leave the E.U , to stop Europeans telling us what we should do and what we should be doing  .

   Just saying 

Noone ever told you what to do. You had a veto on everything. So many optouts you were barely in or out.  Why do you keep on trotting out this bilge? What's up with you? Oh, yeah. Of course. THEY'RE all to blame. Not you. The British aren't to blame for the state of the UK are they? Or its relations with its closest neighbours. It's always THEM to blame innit?

You have all the facts you need now. I can't be bothered any more.

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

5 minutes ago, BusyB said:

Noone ever told you what to do. You had a veto on everything. So many optouts you were barely in or out.  Why do you keep on trotting out this bilge? What's up with you? Oh, yeah. Of course. THEY'RE all to blame. Not you. The British aren't to blame for the state of the UK are they? Or its relations with its closest neighbours. It's always THEM to blame innit?

You have all the facts you need now. I can't be bothered any more.

 

We were talking about the current U.K electoral process and we were not talking about Brexit .

[BusyB]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

We were talking about the current U.K electoral process and we were not talking about Brexit .

Sometimes being tenacious is a virtue.