The Alex Jones Trial Is As Messy As You’d Expect

[candide]

23 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

The victims should sue the police shouldnt they or the school?

Look the other way!

It seems to be a popular technique used to defend the undefensible those days....

[Rimmer]

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[Berkshire]

1 minute ago, Sparktrader said:

He seems crazy to me but murder is murder. He just spoke words. Talking rubbish shouldnt be considered worse than murder.

He's not on trial for murder, rather defamation.  It's a civil trial, not a criminal one.

[Sparktrader]

Just now, ozimoron said:

Words that incited violence or threats of violence. That's a felony offense.

Then charge the people using violence.

[ozimoron]

7 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

Then charge the people using violence.

You don't believe people who incite violence should be charged?

[Sparktrader]

Just now, ozimoron said:

You don't believe people who incite violence should be charged?

I dont believe saying something is a hoax incites violence. Adults are responsible for their own actions. If I said moon landing was fake and you punch someone working for nasa its your fault not mine.

 

 

[ozimoron]

7 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

I dont believe saying something is a hoax incites violence. Adults are responsible for their own actions. If I said moon landing was fake and you punch someone working for nasa its your fault not mine.

The parents' only crime was being the parent of a massacred child. There is no imaginable course of events which occurred which could attract threats of violence other than Jones' words using his bully pulpit.

[Sparktrader]

Just now, ozimoron said:

The parents' only crime was being the parent of a massacred child. There is no imaginable course of events which occurred which could attract threats of violence other than Jones' words using his bully pulpit.

Id charge them then. They are responsible.

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1 hour ago, Sparktrader said:

Still i dont get it. He didnt kill anyone, he just spoke rubbish. Weird world.

What does homicide have to do with slander or libel?

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1 hour ago, Sparktrader said:

Which means he is a moron. Crime to be a moron? Have to sue 3bn people

No, it doesn't mean he's a moron. It means he spread falsehoods that discredited these people. He said things that he should have known were false. And no, under law, you don't get to evade judgement by claiming you believed something. If that were so, then there would never be a winnable libel or slander case.

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47 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

I dont believe saying something is a hoax incites violence. Adults are responsible for their own actions. If I said moon landing was fake and you punch someone working for nasa its your fault not mine.

 

 

Saying the moon landing is fake is not personal . But if you named an engineer who worked at NASA as being a fraudster, and someone punched them on account of that, then you could be held liable.

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

No, it doesn't mean he's a moron. It means he spread falsehoods that discredited these people. He said things that he should have known were false. And no, under law, you don't get to evade judgement by claiming you believed something. If that were so, then there would never be a winnable libel or slander case.

The only defense against defamation slander charges is to prove the statements were true. Jones didn't even try to go there.

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Just now, ozimoron said:

The only defense against defamation slander charges is to prove the statements were true. Jones didn't even try to go there.

Generally, under US law, you have to prove that the statements were false. In this case obviously a no-brainer. In the UK, you have to prove statements are true even for public figures. This can have disastrous consequences. For example, Robert Maxwell, the newspaper mogul, was suspected of stealing from pension plans and such. But Britiish journalists were threatened by Maxwell if they were to publish any reports alleging this. The result was that when he died, workers lost their pensions.

[bamnutsak]

Child porn found in documents Alex Jones sent to lawyers of Sandy Hook families, court filing says

 

Jones denies any knowledge of the images, and Infowars describes the emails as a "malware attack attempting to embed" child porn on their servers.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/child-porn-found-documents-alex-jones-sent-sandy-hook-family-n1018541

[simple1]

6 hours ago, xylophone said:

There seems to be no end to these nut jobs, and I wonder if it's because they are just stupid, or because they are in it for the fame and money?

 

Perhaps he believes it, but the proof is there for all to see, so why broadcast lies and rubbish in much the same manner as the Anti-vaxxers have done?

 

Someone should do the world a favour and have him put down, one way or another.

 

just as a reminder:- for years the bombastic, far-right Infowars founder ranted to his millions of followers that the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting was a hoax, that children weren't killed and that parents were crisis actors in an elaborate ruse to force gun control. 

Money making enteprise for extremeist right wing 'influencers". Other examples being Bannon and trump. trump has made millions from promoting conspiracy BS e.g. the Big Lie 

 

Hopefully Alex Jones spends many years in prison for the evil of his deeds and the pain he caused; the same for all the other <deleted>@#$%.

Edited August 4, 2022 by simple1

[Chomper Higgot]

11 hours ago, Sparktrader said:

Which means he is a moron. Crime to be a moron? Have to sue 3bn people

He’s not facing criminal prosecution.

 

This is a civil trial.

 

 

[pomchop]

Gee what a surprise...another right wing cult leader that tells big lie after big lie and makes money from low IQ followers who eat the BS hook line and sinker because they refuse to do even a tiny bit of research or believe what they see and hear right in front of them on video and audio and after thorough investigations....and then when they get called out they just tell more lies and try to protect themselves from any and all liability for ruining peoples lives..and then try and raise more $$ from their brain dead cults......hmmm who else might fit that mold?

[Scott]

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

He’s not facing criminal prosecution.

 

This is a civil trial.

 

 

You might want to look at this:

 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, Scott said:

You might want to look at this:

 

Well yes, he’s got some criminal questioning ahead of him.

 

As I keep having good cause to remark, 2022 is turning out to be a fabulous year for Justice.

[heybruce]

11 hours ago, Sparktrader said:

He seems crazy to me but murder is murder. He just spoke words. Talking rubbish shouldnt be considered worse than murder.

How is being ordered to pay money in a defamation case worse than being locked up for decades or executed following a murder conviction?

[Chomper Higgot]

12 hours ago, Sparktrader said:

He seems crazy to me but murder is murder. He just spoke words. Talking rubbish shouldnt be considered worse than murder.

It might be a good idea not to be seen making excuses for Alex Jones, given what’s reportedly been found on his phone.

 

But up to you entirely, if you feel he’s the kind of guy you want to be a fan boy for.

[Mac Mickmanus]

51 minutes ago, pomchop said:

Gee what a surprise...another right wing cult leader that tells big lie after big lie and makes money from low IQ followers who eat the BS hook line and sinker because they refuse to do even a tiny bit of research or believe what they see and hear right in front of them on video and audio and after thorough investigations....and then when they get called out they just tell more lies and try to protect themselves from any and all liability for ruining peoples lives..and then try and raise more $$ from their brain dead cults......hmmm who else might fit that mold?

Look into my eyes............................*Try and forget about him*

[Bluespunk]

Let’s hope this is just the start. 
 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/04/alex-jones-defamation-trial-verdict-sandy-hook?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

 

”In a separate phase Friday, jurors are to determine whether Jones owes any so-called punitive damages in addition to the compensation he was ordered to cough up Thursday.”

Edited August 4, 2022 by Bluespunk

[Scott]

Conspiracy theorist Alex Jones ordered to pay $4.1m over false Sandy Hook claims

The jury in Alex Jones’s defamation trial on Thursday ordered the far-right conspiracy theorist to pay $4.1m in damages over his repeated claims that the deadly Sandy Hook school shooting was a hoax.

Jurors in Austin, Texas, gave their verdict after deliberating about one hour Wednesday and seven hours Thursday at the end of a nine-days-long trial which saw Jones apologize and concede that the 2012 massacre at the elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut, was “100% real”. The verdict levied against Jones was far below the $150m or more the plaintiffs had requested that jurors award them.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/04/alex-jones-defamation-trial-verdict-sandy-hook?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

[LarrySR]

15 hours ago, Sparktrader said:

Still i dont get it. He didnt kill anyone, he just spoke rubbish. Weird world.

Deplorable love him.

[bamnutsak]

$4.1 m in compnesatory damages? He'll say he "won". Just crank up the "supplement" marketing push.

 

Obviously we have to wait for any punitive damages. These could be significant in order to deter similar future behavior, but who knows.

 

 

[Berkshire]

22 hours ago, bamnutsak said:

$4.1 m in compnesatory damages? He'll say he "won". Just crank up the "supplement" marketing push.

 

Obviously we have to wait for any punitive damages. These could be significant in order to deter similar future behavior, but who knows.

 

 

+$45 mil in punitive damages.  Plus more civil lawsuits from other Sandy Hook families.  Plus possible perjury charges.  Plus text being turned over to J6 committee.  Sometimes there's justice in the world. 

[Scott]

Alex Jones jury was asked to decide on punitive damages. What does that mean?

The Texas jury tasked this week with deciding how much Alex Jones should pay in damages to the parents of a 6-year-old killed in the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting was asked to come up with two separate award amounts.

On Thursday, the jury ordered Jones to pay $4.1 million in compensatory damages to Scarlett Lewis and Neil Heslin, whose son Jesse died in the shooting alongside 19 of his classmates and six educators, for the emotional distress and reputational damage caused by Jones' false claim that the 2012 massacre was a hoax. On Friday, the jury awarded the couple an additional $45.2 million in punitive damages.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/alex-jones-jury-was-asked-decide-punitive-damages-mean-rcna41805

[Chomper Higgot]

2022 just keeps getting better, it really is a fine year for Justice.

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7 hours ago, Berkshire said:

+$45 mil in punitive damages.  Plus more civil lawsuits from other Sandy Hook families.  Plus possible perjury charges.  Plus text being turned over to J6 committee.  Sometimes there's justice in the world. 

The problem is that under Texas law, punitive damages are limited to twice the amount of actual damage plus 1 dollar. There is some question of whether this limitation is in accordance with the Texas Constitution. So it will be up to the Texas Supreme Court to decide should the case get that far which it almost certainly will.