Popular Post heybruce Posted August 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Tippaporn said: Not in and of itself. You know that but pretend that's not the case here. Leaving some of the truth out is misrepresentation. Are you contesting the fact that documents marked TS/SCI were found stored in an insufficiently secure manner on his property? Are you disputing the fact that these documents were government property that he had repeatedly been asked to return? Or are you contesting the fact that it is illegal for anyone, even an ex-President, to steal government property, including documents marked at the highest level of security classification, and store it as casually as some people store their gardening tools? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tippaporn Posted August 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 14, 2022 20 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: So the loaded words are your reason to dismiss the fact that its true? Sources by Washington Post and NYT? How many Russia, Russia, Russia articles did these outlets print which were ultimately proven false? WaPo and the NYT are two iconic U.S. newspapers who have sadly soiled their credibility to an unreconcilable point. To anyone who still maintains a shred of objectivity these two once proud pillars of the fourth estate have ignobly become nothing more than Democrat activist propaganda arms. As you reject my sources so I reject yours. But with much more good reason. 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hammer2021 Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 On 8/13/2022 at 10:08 AM, ballpoint said: If Trump is indeed convicted of espionage, then every long term appointment he made while president, including, but not limited to, Supreme Court justices, should be immediately rescinded. A purge of potential moles put in place by a high ranking traitor is customary, if not mandatory, in such a case. If 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 29 minutes ago, Tippaporn said: But most every leftist here has been saying regarding the negotiations Trump was having that it's all cut and dried. What's there to negotiate? Trump retained classified documents which he was not legally allowed to have. Period. End of story. If that's true then they have enough hard evidence to arrest him this very moment. Isn't it typical for law enforcement to make arrests as soon they have the smoking gun? What more would they be waiting for? No, it's not typical at all. Especially in a case like this with lots of evidence where you want to be very careful about the charges made so as not to give opposing lawyers grounds for a dismissal or later appeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ThailandRyan Posted August 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 14, 2022 8 minutes ago, Excel said: So based upon what is known, not speculated about or dreamed off by certain members, if it turns out that there were some documents Trump should not have had in his possession and the DoJ considers that there is sufficient evidence to move forward with an intended prosecution, how long would the more learned colleagues on this forum suggest it would take to reach the first judicial hearing ? There is a long list of things which need to be examined and then cross examined in order to find out if the evidence collected is exculpatory or not. How damning things can become is called for by following the trail of where the items seized had been, who had touched said items, and who may have viewed them out of the officially intended scope. Finger print analysis takes some time, and then to determine when and how those prints ended up on the documents also takes time. Exclusionary prints from the data base of employees allowed such purview will be cross checked. It could be months before enough of a case is built to charge Trump or anyone else who may have viewed those documents. It is like picking up a stone and watching things scurry in all directions. Folks who may not currently be in the crosshairs could find themselves being investigated as well and become co-defendants..........this is an investigation where the gift keeps giving. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, Tippaporn said: How many Russia, Russia, Russia articles did these outlets print which were ultimately proven false? WaPo and the NYT are two iconic U.S. newspapers who have sadly soiled their credibility to an unreconcilable point. To anyone who still maintains a shred of objectivity these two once proud pillars of the fourth estate have ignobly become nothing more than Democrat activist propaganda arms. As you reject my sources so I reject yours. But with much more good reason. What is a credible source to you? Firstly you claimed I made an "outrageous unsubstantiated claim" They've been substantiated with credible sources. Let me additionally go through some of your many wild claims in this thread and come back to you soon to ask for links, I'll be back shortly and expect sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThailandRyan Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 7 minutes ago, Tippaporn said: How many Russia, Russia, Russia articles did these outlets print which were ultimately proven false? WaPo and the NYT are two iconic U.S. newspapers who have sadly soiled their credibility to an unreconcilable point. To anyone who still maintains a shred of objectivity these two once proud pillars of the fourth estate have ignobly become nothing more than Democrat activist propaganda arms. As you reject my sources so I reject yours. But with much more good reason. So in your defense your saying this OP and the current investigation is all smoke and mirrors and fake just to mislead the public and all a deep fake conspiracy....wow is all I can say. Stay turned as your hero becomes even more of a zero. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Phoenix Rising Posted August 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 14, 2022 45 minutes ago, Thingamabob said: I don"t agree. Tippaporn has raised some important points which have never been properly investigated. I suggest some introspection by yourself is necessary. What don't you agree with?? That the title of the thread is "Trump under investigation for potential violations of Espionage Act"? "Tippaporn has raised some important points which have never been properly investigated." Tippaporn is talking off-topic rubbish, 'nuff said. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Rising Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 43 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said: Better ask the poster who started it, I just responded to his comment, but, what if we are? Well, then we would be off-topic, wouldn't we. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hammer2021 Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 27 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said: For your edification having just the papers in his possession is only part of a case for espionage or treason? There are other factors one must have to put the entire case together. Do you think that I can obtain a breath test on the spot for driving while drunk and being involved in an accident and arrest and prosecute you the next day? If you do then you have no idea of what your talking about. Cases take time, sometimes years to build and then prosecute. "Cases take time, sometimes years to build and then prosecute. " Does that explain the delay in prosecuting Hunter Biden and Hilary Clinton? Or are they above the law? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hammer2021 Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 6 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said: There is a long list of things which need to be examined and then cross examined in order to find out if the evidence collected is exculpatory or not. How damning things can become is called for by following the trail of where the items seized had been, who had touched said items, and who may have viewed them out of the officially intended scope. Finger print analysis takes some time, and then to determine when and how those prints ended up on the documents also takes time. Exclusionary prints from the data base of employees allowed such purview will be cross checked. It could be months before enough of a case is built to charge Trump or anyone else who may have viewed those documents. It is like picking up a stone and watching things scurry in all directions. Folks who may not currently be in the crosshairs could find themselves being investigated as well and become co-defendants..........this is an investigation where the gift keeps giving. Sounds like the STASI to me or like the actions of Putin's CHEKA. The process is the punishment. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post placeholder Posted August 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 14, 2022 12 minutes ago, Tippaporn said: How many Russia, Russia, Russia articles did these outlets print which were ultimately proven false? WaPo and the NYT are two iconic U.S. newspapers who have sadly soiled their credibility to an unreconcilable point. To anyone who still maintains a shred of objectivity these two once proud pillars of the fourth estate have ignobly become nothing more than Democrat activist propaganda arms. As you reject my sources so I reject yours. But with much more good reason. Actually, allegations about Russian involvement in the Trump campaign were not proven false. What Trump supporters seem incapable of understanding is that the Mueller report came with with ten possible instances where Trump obstructed justice. Most of that to do with witness tampering. But the justice dept's policy is that a sitting President can't be indicted. Then Barr came along and egregiously misrepresented the contents of the Mueller report. For that, he was roundly castigated by a federal judge. A committee of Senate 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 On 8/13/2022 at 11:07 AM, Tippaporn said: I highlighted the important part of your post. Why is there no mention of the fact that Trump was fully cooperating with the National Archives and therefore why a raid was necessary? Any takers on answering that question? Provide evidence that Trump was fully cooperating with the National Archives, from credible sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said: "Cases take time, sometimes years to build and then prosecute. " Does that explain the delay in prosecuting Hunter Biden and Hilary Clinton? Or are they above the law? I'm sure you can find topics on Hunter Biden and Hillary Clinton. I suggest you go there with your questions. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thingamabob Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 43 minutes ago, Rimmer said: Some off topic posts also replies have been removed Thanks a bunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 17 minutes ago, Tippaporn said: How many Russia, Russia, Russia articles did these outlets print which were ultimately proven false? WaPo and the NYT are two iconic U.S. newspapers who have sadly soiled their credibility to an unreconcilable point. To anyone who still maintains a shred of objectivity these two once proud pillars of the fourth estate have ignobly become nothing more than Democrat activist propaganda arms. As you reject my sources so I reject yours. But with much more good reason. Articles on Russian interference in the election that were proven wrong? I can't recall any. Can you identify them? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thingamabob Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 7 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said: What don't you agree with?? That the title of the thread is "Trump under investigation for potential violations of Espionage Act"? "Tippaporn has raised some important points which have never been properly investigated." Tippaporn is talking off-topic rubbish, 'nuff said. Calm down. Have a nice day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThailandRyan Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 7 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said: "Cases take time, sometimes years to build and then prosecute. " Does that explain the delay in prosecuting Hunter Biden and Hilary Clinton? Or are they above the law? Did I ever say they were above the law anywhere, if so please show me. This OP is on Trump not Clinton or Hunter. Yes cases take time and if one thinks they are out of the woods because it has been some time since whatever occurred occurred then people need to always look over their shoulders. A case, I was a part of investigating, took over 5 years to get all of the ducks in a row in order to prosecute as RICO case at the Federal Level, and then it was continued by the defense for a few more years during which time defendants flipped and became witnesses for the prosecution. In the end cases do not just disappear no matter how much one thinks they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post placeholder Posted August 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 14, 2022 7 minutes ago, placeholder said: Actually, allegations about Russian involvement in the Trump campaign were not proven false. What Trump supporters seem incapable of understanding is that the Mueller report came with with ten possible instances where Trump obstructed justice. Most of that to do with witness tampering. But the justice dept's policy is that a sitting President can't be indicted. Then Barr came along and egregiously misrepresented the contents of the Mueller report. For that, he was roundly castigated by a federal judge. A committee of Senate And as I left off noting a Senate Committee with a Republican majority also issued a report detailing lots of connections between the Trump campaign and Russia. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hammer2021 Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said: Did I ever say they were above the law anywhere, if so please show me. This OP is on Trump not Clinton or Hunter. Yes cases take time and if one thinks they are out of the woods because it has been some time since whatever occurred occurred then people need to always look over their shoulders. A case, I was a part of investigating, took over 5 years to get all of the ducks in a row in order to prosecute as RICO case at the Federal Level, and then it was continued by the defense for a few more years during which time defendants flipped and became witnesses for the prosecution. In the end cases do not just disappear no matter how much one thinks they do. Did I ever say you said they were above the law anywhere, if so please show me. My comment is to highlight the double standards and hypocrisy of the woke left. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 1 hour ago, nauseus said: Are there revised rules on acceptable site links now? You could report it but it is a video of trump Jr, that isn't contested it it? Are there any claims made in the very short article that you'd like to dispute? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 11 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: Provide evidence that Trump was fully cooperating with the National Archives, from credible sources. Don't bother, ample proof has been provided already he was not cooperating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Liverpool Lou Posted August 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 14, 2022 42 minutes ago, Eric Loh said: 50 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said: Must be true, then, from the always reliable and honest FBI.. Yes indeed, from Trump’s own handpicked director whom he described as impeccable character and man of integrity. What change? There's, obviously, more to the FBI than the Director, but, so what if Trump appointed him, that doesn't prevent him from turning into another corrupt FBI official, does it? You think that nothing untoward has ever gone on in the FBI? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 21 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said: "Cases take time, sometimes years to build and then prosecute. " Does that explain the delay in prosecuting Hunter Biden and Hilary Clinton? Or are they above the law? Are you suggesting sufficient evidence for a case was built but not prosecuted. That would be a conspiracy theory which you should consider substantiating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 49 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said: 58 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said: Must be true, then, from the always reliable and honest FBI.. Are you saying the items taken were not listed on the receipt and the FBI took other things? Your a little off base with that thinking. No, I did not say that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said: There's, obviously, more to the FBI than the Director, but, so what if Trump appointed him, that doesn't prevent him from turning into another corrupt FBI official, does it? You think that nothing untoward has ever gone on in the FBI? Well you can look at the evidence they've gathered and wait for the outcome or speculate on the honesty of the FBI director? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ozimoron Posted August 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 14, 2022 Just now, Bkk Brian said: Well you can look at the evidence they've gathered and wait for the outcome or speculate on the honesty of the FBI director? Speculating on the honesty of an FBI director is a habit of Trump's. That alone undermines his credibility. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: 6 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said: There's, obviously, more to the FBI than the Director, but, so what if Trump appointed him, that doesn't prevent him from turning into another corrupt FBI official, does it? You think that nothing untoward has ever gone on in the FBI? Well you can look at the evidence they've gathered and wait for the outcome or speculate on the honesty of the FBI director? I did not speculate on the honesty of the FBI Director, I commented based on the fact that the FBI's record on corruption and lying is not good. Edited August 14, 2022 by Liverpool Lou 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted August 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 14, 2022 Just now, Liverpool Lou said: I did not speculate on the honesty of the FBI Director, I commented on the fact that the FBI's record on corruption and lying is not good. Oh..............lol 6 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said: There's, obviously, more to the FBI than the Director, but, so what if Trump appointed him, that doesn't prevent him from turning into another corrupt FBI official, does it? You think that nothing untoward has ever gone on in the FBI? 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Rising Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 1 minute ago, Liverpool Lou said: I did not speculate on the honesty of the FBI Director, I commented on the fact that the FBI's record on corruption and lying is not good. Really? Compared to which organization? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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