Specter of Thaksin’s tax saga returns to haunt Thailand

[webfact]

 

By Thai PBS World’s Political Desk

 

Supporters of Thaksin Shinawatra say the recent Central Tax Court ruling in his favour proves his innocence in a multibillion-baht tax case.

 

But his critics argue the verdict instead confirmed that the deposed premier had cost Thailand billions by illegally concealing his massive wealth.

 

The ruling, which was issued on July 18 and made public on August 8, said that a Revenue Department order in March 2017 for Thaksin’s children Panthongtae and Pintongta to pay 17 billion baht in back taxes and interest was unlawful.

 

The case was filed by Thaksin.

 

The court ruled that the department should have directed its tax appraisal at Thaksin, who was deemed the actual offender, and not his children, who were described by the court as Thaksin’s proxies holding shares for him.

 

Full story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/specter-of-thaksins-tax-saga-returns-to-haunt-thailand/

 

-- © Copyright Thai PBS 2022-08-19

 

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[ezzra]

Strange ruling, so now what? start the whole process all over again but this time against Thaksin himself? that'll be another 10 years or so and so the merry go around continues...

[2baht]

Is he Thaksin Shinawatra or Tony Windsome, damn, I'm sooo confused! ????

[Emdog]

Wasn't his alleged tax dodging the reason given for the coup? Does this mean he'll be welcomed back to take his democratically elected position? (joking)

[Gknrd]

The teflon don strikes again..

[monkfish]

He owned the companies before he became PM and everyone new it, then of course after winning the election he was forced to sell em off. Guess he was trying to save losing ownership and paying billions in Tax as most billionaires do. There's are always loop holes in Thai laws which are written in way as to leave it open to interpretation for the Judges to decide.

[wombat]

Curious asks...how long before the statute of limitations expires for his crimes?

[PETERTHEEATER]

6 hours ago, 2baht said:

Is he Thaksin Shinawatra or Tony Windsome, damn, I'm sooo confused! ????

Tony Winsome soon to be Tony Losesome.

[MrMojoRisin]

5 hours ago, wombat said:

Curious asks...how long before the statute of limitations expires for his crimes?

Curious asks...are there actually any crimes?

[scorecard]

1 hour ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Curious asks...are there actually any crimes?

Many, do some easy research. 

[phetphet]

9 hours ago, 2baht said:

Is he Thaksin Shinawatra or Tony Windsome, damn, I'm sooo confused! ????

Isn't it Woodsome? I suppose it depends on which passport he is using.

Edited August 19, 2022 by phetphet

[kickstart]

10 hours ago, webfact said:

The court ruled that the department should have directed its tax appraisal at Thaksin, who was deemed the actual offender, and not his children, who were described by the court as Thaksin’s proxies holding shares for him.

And the fact that his maid was,at the time was the 3-4  richest person in the country ,along with his children,the court was right he is the offender.

But, the Singapore company that brought his company ,brought the shears though the Thai stock market ,under Thai stock market law no tax was needed to be paid.

I can remember at the time that is a big loophole that needs closing .

As for the rest of his businesses, of course he tried to fiddle the tax ,might have been legally ,but I suspect it was not so   

[monkfish]

3 minutes ago, kickstart said:

And the fact that his maid was,at the time was the 3-4  richest person in the country ,along with his children,the court was right he is the offender.

But, the Singapore company that brought his company ,brought the shears though the Thai stock market ,under Thai stock market law no tax was needed to be paid.

I can remember at the time that is a big loophole that needs closing .

As for the rest of his businesses, of course he tried to fiddle the tax ,might have been legally ,but I suspect it was not so   

Yes and the question is what should he have done?
I don't think he expected to become PM but when he won the election and become PM he couldn't let it go and had to sell his Companies as quick as possible. If memory servers me right he was fined because he sold out to a foreign company causing the Country loses for which he was fined?
it's very open law in Thailand and open to interpretation by which ever Judge is ruling. 
 

[OneMoreFarang]

 

[Mr Meeseeks]

10 hours ago, 2baht said:

Is he Thaksin Shinawatra or Tony Windsome, damn, I'm sooo confused! ????

Takki Shinegra with Montenegrin citizenship. 

[ikke1959]

NObody likes to pay taxes, but f you make deals and earn a lot it is normal that you have to pay. The tax money will be spend for the country needs, but no paying means that in fact you are robbing the country and its people. Therefor it is a shame that nothing must be paid by him. The court could rule a lower amount, which was better acceptable than no pay at all

[monkfish]

1 hour ago, ikke1959 said:

NObody likes to pay taxes, but f you make deals and earn a lot it is normal that you have to pay. The tax money will be spend for the country needs, but no paying means that in fact you are robbing the country and its people. Therefor it is a shame that nothing must be paid by him. The court could rule a lower amount, which was better acceptable than no pay at all

But did he even have to pay Tax that is the question?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sale_of_Shin_Corporation_to_Temasek_Holdings

 

[MrMojoRisin]

5 hours ago, scorecard said:

Many, do some easy research. 

List the top 5.

 

[chalawaan]

Laughing boy Thaksin was a humble police officer.

Somehow he parlayed that into owning a national telecommunications company, then becomes PM.

 

That's all you need to know to figure out which side of the law he was always on. ????

 

Having said that, the entire system is built on crime corruption and feudal  patronage from the village headman right on up.

 

As in Communist China a "war on corruption" is just code for a bit of gangland spring cleaning to dispose of enemies who've become too powerful.

 

It probably won't ever change.

[scorecard]

4 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

List the top 5.

 

The whole list has been included in these threads and in several other media many times.

 

Not wasting my time to find these lists again. 

1 hour ago, chalawaan said:

Laughing boy Thaksin was a humble police officer.

Somehow he parlayed that into owning a national telecommunications company, then becomes PM.

 

That's all you need to know to figure out which side of the law he was always on. ????

 

Having said that, the entire system is built on crime corruption and feudal  patronage from the village headman right on up.

 

As in Communist China a "war on corruption" is just code for a bit of gangland spring cleaning to dispose of enemies who've become too powerful.

 

It probably won't ever change.

"Somehow he parlayed that into owning a national telecommunications company..." Let's get that into some realistic/accurate words: he was handed a telecoms license by General Suntorn one of the thug military trio that conducted a violent coup and installed one of the 3 thug generals as the PM. This was just after the coup. And further, this was at a time when the law stated that all telecoms activities must be owned/operated by the state. Tthere was no bidding etc., and no other licenses. And thaksin charged very high rates to use his telecom services. 

Edited August 19, 2022 by scorecard

[hotchilli]

19 hours ago, webfact said:

The ruling, which was issued on July 18 and made public on August 8, said that a Revenue Department order in March 2017 for Thaksin’s children Panthongtae and Pintongta to pay 17 billion baht in back taxes and interest was unlawful.

Legal wranglings or evading tax... he's not the only one by a long way.

[ikke1959]

9 hours ago, monkfish said:

But did he even have to pay Tax that is the question?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sale_of_Shin_Corporation_to_Temasek_Holdings

 

Common sense ......as I wrote everybody try t avoid to pay taxes, but this kind of amounts to be avoided by constructions probably made by himself during his Pm ship for own pocket profit??? Let him pay half of it and everybody happy, but a certain Bureau is involved too and they never pay tax... Or is it normal to suck all the money out of the country by a few wealthy??

Edited August 20, 2022 by ikke1959

[MikeN]

17 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Curious asks...are there actually any crimes?

That depends on who is in government at the time of asking.

[Excel]

16 minutes ago, MikeN said:

That depends on who is in government at the time of asking.

Quite correct. Treason is a crime when you over throw a legally elected democratic government by force, until you re-write the constitution so it isn't any more. Allowing the shooting of a nurse helping the wounded in a Wat by 5 naval seals is a crime, until you use section 44 to absolve them of any crime, and then that isn't anymore either.

[billd766]

16 hours ago, monkfish said:

Yes and the question is what should he have done?
I don't think he expected to become PM but when he won the election and become PM he couldn't let it go and had to sell his Companies as quick as possible. If memory servers me right he was fined because he sold out to a foreign company causing the Country loses for which he was fined?
it's very open law in Thailand and open to interpretation by which ever Judge is ruling. 
 

And whichever military coup is in charge at the time.

[MrMojoRisin]

7 hours ago, scorecard said:

The whole list has been included in these threads and in several other media many times.

So no list then.

????????????

 

 

 

[scorecard]

9 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

So no list then.

????????????

 

 

 

If you want a list search for it. And I'm not interested in your games.

[Rimmer]

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