Would you get in one of these ?

[Orinoco]

Would be ok, for the wife to have a go in one.

[seedy]

Just now, Sparktrader said:

Correct

And imagine hackers

The whole idea is nonsense

Hear Hear

Tell that to many posters on this forum and you will be met with derision, condensation, and 12 year olds (mentally at least) unable to form an argument to add to the discussion but instead fall back on a diagram I made when I was a child.

Examples - I am from the Chinese Gov't and I am here to help you.

Computers will run the world as they are superior to people.

Buy a Tesla - and pay over$200 for a chunk of plastic purported to be a door handle.

Today 10 year old computer controlled vehicles are being scrapped because the repair cost is more than the car is worth. Planned obsolescence at its finest.

People are Sheeple

[AhFarangJa]

These must be in Thailand already according to the video................At 13 seconds in she clearly states that you can, quote...."sit back and relax, have a snack, and take a nap"...........is that not what happens with drivers on these roads every day...............

[LarrySR]

25 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

Why do people make bad guesses?

A Luddite is someone who is incompetent when using new technology. 

[Sparktrader]

Just now, LarrySR said:

A Luddite is someone who is incompetent when using new technology. 

Isnt this tech supposed to drive itself?  which means the passenger doesnt actually do anything.

 

They talked about this 10 years ago.

 

It's an expensive dud idea.

 

 

[LarrySR]

Every year, cars & airplanes are getting safer and safer because…..wait for it…….computers. 

[ThailandRyan]

1 hour ago, LarrySR said:

When the statistics prove robotic cars are safer, the technology will be mandated by governments. 
 

I’m guessing with 20 years to complete the transition from human control to computer. 
 

California just passed a bill to phase out ICE cars by 2035, guess they figure electric and self driving cars will be the norm by then....totally at a loss on the mindset of governments.....

[Sparktrader]

11 minutes ago, seedy said:

Hear Hear

Tell that to many posters on this forum and you will be met with derision, condensation, and 12 year olds (mentally at least) unable to form an argument to add to the discussion but instead fall back on a diagram I made when I was a child.

Examples - I am from the Chinese Gov't and I am here to help you.

Computers will run the world as they are superior to people.

Buy a Tesla - and pay over$200 for a chunk of plastic purported to be a door handle.

Today 10 year old computer controlled vehicles are being scrapped because the repair cost is more than the car is worth. Planned obsolescence at its finest.

People are Sheeple

Toyota battery cars are junk. Cant even push them when break down. Cant put them in neutral.

[Sparktrader]

1 minute ago, LarrySR said:

Every year, cars & airplanes are getting safer and safer because…..wait for it…….computers. 

Planes have pilots. Captain Sully anyone?

 

 

 

 

[ThailandRyan]

13 minutes ago, seedy said:

Hear Hear

Tell that to many posters on this forum and you will be met with derision, condensation, and 12 year olds (mentally at least) unable to form an argument to add to the discussion but instead fall back on a diagram I made when I was a child.

Examples - I am from the Chinese Gov't and I am here to help you.

Computers will run the world as they are superior to people.

Buy a Tesla - and pay over$200 for a chunk of plastic purported to be a door handle.

Today 10 year old computer controlled vehicles are being scrapped because the repair cost is more than the car is worth. Planned obsolescence at its finest.

People are Sheeple

You just love the word Sheeple don't you.  Anybody who thinks differently then you is a sheeple, do I have that right?  The word is not appropriate for anything other than labeling a farm animal as what it is called a Sheep.  Stop with the condescending and name calling by using the word. Why not use the word lemming, because you Sir are following others when you use the word Sheeple.

[Sparktrader]

10 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

California just passed a bill to phase out ICE cars by 2035, guess they figure electric and self driving cars will be the norm by then....totally at a loss on the mindset of governments.....

No thats just a co2 decision

 

[connda]

13 hours ago, CharlieH said:

Would you get in one of these ?

Nope.

[Sparktrader]

How do you program common sense into a computer?

 

Its raining

A dog runs across from the left

A kid runs across from the right

Another car over takes you at 140kph

 

A car going 100kph in.opposite direction swerves onto your path and there is little room on the side of the road or a big tree and a building on right

 

What does the car do? Brake? Hit the tree? Swerve right into a building?

 

A good driver can make a decision to choose the best option. A computer has no idea what the best option is.

 

 

[Old Croc]

Can't see it working in Thailand.

Would a computer know to hit the horn instead of the brakes?

[LarrySR]

21 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

How do you program common sense into a computer?

 

Its raining

A dog runs across from the left

A kid runs across from the right

Another car over takes you at 140kph

 

A car going 100kph in.opposite direction swerves onto your path and there is little room on the side of the road or a big tree and a building on right

 

What does the car do? Brake? Hit the tree? Swerve right into a building?

 

A good driver can make a decision to choose the best option. A computer has no idea what the best option is.

 

 

It's painfully obvious you don't know what you're talking about.

[LarrySR]

Currently there are 1.3 million road deaths per year. 

Will computer operated vehicles bring that number down? Of course.

[seedy]

23 minutes ago, LarrySR said:

Currently there are 1.3 million road deaths per year. 

Will computer operated vehicles bring that number down? Of course.

Hogwash

Only education will have a significant impact.

As in ALL causes of death

https://ourworldindata.org/causes-of-death

Edited August 26, 2022 by seedy

[Sparktrader]

54 minutes ago, LarrySR said:

It's painfully obvious you don't know what you're talking about.

I would say the same about you. 

 

There are equally good reasons to assume they will not be safer. No one knows how to build common sense into computers. However, commonsense reasoning is needed for an ADS to handle all the unexpected situations (edge cases) it might encounter. Without commonsense reasoning, ADSs can only handle edge cases that have been explicitly coded into the ADS software or edge cases that the ADS has been trained to handle. Accidents and traffic jams can occur when edge cases are encountered that were not anticipated by the ADS engineers.

The reality is that ADSs will likely be safe for certain ODDs (e.g. a corporate shuttle that back and forth along a single street at 5 mph) but perhaps not for other ODDs (e.g. a taxi service that covers a broad geography and all weather conditions) and for Level 5 operation.

 

 https://thegradient.pub/are-self-driving-cars-really-safer-than-human-drivers/

[Sparktrader]

56 minutes ago, LarrySR said:

Currently there are 1.3 million road deaths per year. 

Will computer operated vehicles bring that number down? Of course.

Of course? No research to support your claim. 

[Sparktrader]

35 minutes ago, seedy said:

Hogwash

Only education will have a significant impact.

As in ALL causes of death

https://ourworldindata.org/causes-of-death

Most deaths occur at speed. You can not program all variables into a car just like you cannot do it with anything really.

 

 

[Sparktrader]

1 hour ago, LarrySR said:

It's painfully obvious you don't know what you're talking about.

Shouldn’t ADS developers be required to prove an ADS is at least as safe as a human driver for a specific ODD before allowing it out onto public roads? This lack of regulation has the potential to turn our roads into a vast experiment with disastrous consequences.

 

(Steve Shwartz began his AI career as a postdoctoral researcher in the Yale University Computer Science Department in 1979 and has been a founder or co-founder of multiple companies)

 

[LarrySR]

52 minutes ago, seedy said:

Hogwash

Only education will have a significant impact.

As in ALL causes of death

https://ourworldindata.org/causes-of-death

HUH?

Wonder why the manufacturers/engineers have designed over 1,000 micro chips in every car?

Ever hear of:

anti lock brakes,

cruise control,

electronic stability control,

blind spot detection,

collision warning,

lane departure warning,

rear view video, automatic braking,

pedestrian emergency braking,

lane centering

[Sparktrader]

1 minute ago, LarrySR said:

HUH?

Wonder why the manufacturers/engineers have designed over 1,000 micro chips in every car?

Ever hear of:

anti lock brakes,

cruise control,

electronic stability control,

blind spot detection,

collision warning,

lane departure warning,

rear view video, automatic braking,

pedestrian emergency braking,

lane centering

Those are partially useful. Not in total control.

 

They sometimes locked up and fail too.

 

At least do some research on the topic before commenting.

 

 

[LarrySR]

Just now, Sparktrader said:

Those are partially useful. Not in total control.

 

They sometimes locked up and fail too.

 

At least do some research on the topic before commenting.

 

 

Doesn’t matter what your opinion is. 
Self driving cars are coming because they will be safer. 

[Sparktrader]

2 minutes ago, LarrySR said:

Doesn’t matter what your opinion is. 
Self driving cars are coming because they will be safer. 

1 there are no facts to support your claim

 

2 there is more money in it which is why they are being developed

 

3 at least do some research on the topic before making strong statements

[LosLobo]

1 hour ago, Sparktrader said:

How do you program common sense into a computer?

 

Its raining

A dog runs across from the left

A kid runs across from the right

Another car over takes you at 140kph

 

A car going 100kph in.opposite direction swerves onto your path and there is little room on the side of the road or a big tree and a building on right

 

What does the car do? Brake? Hit the tree? Swerve right into a building?

 

A good driver can make a decision to choose the best option. A computer has no idea what the best option is.

 

 

There are already rain-sensing wipers.

I could write you a Nassi-Schneidermann algorithm for the rest but I doubt you could understand it!

[Sparktrader]

Just now, LosLobo said:

There are already rain-sensing wipers.

I could write you a Nassi-Schneidermann algorithm for the rest but I doubt you could understand it!

Yes I know. Detecting rain isnt the issue. Its the combination of issues 4,5,6,7 variables.

 

How do you weight those issues in importance?

 

Dog

Child

Rain

Pot hole

Tree

Building

Curve in road

Car on wrong side of road

 

You CANNOT WRITE A PROGRAM with CORRECT WEIGHTING OF RISKS FOR ALL VARIABLES.

 

Painfully obvious people need to think about it.

[1FinickyOne]

14 hours ago, Sparktrader said:

Computers freeze up a lot

so, in a warm climate it should be fine... right as rain?

[Sparktrader]

How does a computer differ between a small child and a dog?

 

Better to kill a dog than swerve and kill a child.

 

[LarrySR]

17 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

1 there are no facts to support your claim

 

2 there is more money in it which is why they are being developed

 

3 at least do some research on the topic before making strong statements

National Highway Transportation Safety Administration (NHTSA) found that human error accounts for 95% of all auto accidents, therefore self-driving cars that eliminate most accidents caused by human error and are safer than humans. Are you getting it now?

 

Humans get tired, drunk, stoned, text while driving, are easily distracted and let's be honest, a significant percentage of humans (dont take it personal) ....fall to the far left of the IQ curve chart.