Jailed and blacklisted: Frenchmen in attack on Thai man ordered held by court - driver is Hua Hin man with Thai wife

[AlQaholic]

1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

Same edited clip shown before.

Misses out the Thai attacking the French guy and kicking him to the ground.

This was the source article for the first article on this forum thread.

[BritManToo]

2 minutes ago, AlQaholic said:

This was the source article for the first article on this forum thread.

Yes and it was edited to show the white foreigner in the worst possible way.

The Thai media hates white people, and every story they run reflects this hate.

Which is odd as many of their presenters appear to be half white.

Edited October 20, 2022 by BritManToo

[AlQaholic]

1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

Yes an it was edited to show the white foreigners in the worst possible way.

The Thai media hates white people, and every story they run reflects this hate.

Which is odd as many of their presenters appear to be half white.

That was the only article I could find at the time, maybe you have some other material you can share?

[Bert got kinky]

48 minutes ago, AlQaholic said:

Link in Youtube video:

https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbUxxdFVhTVE4RHUyeVZ1bE1pZUlybm01MTh6UXxBQ3Jtc0tuVFNHN1FPTGZjM2dDZ2lqRU9WdGdBUXAtbmVtcG8wdjFIWG0zeWlIN3F4NXJwNTFaMXNRLThwcHVfUGdJeWxMcGpiUkJ2UVhvVy1SMUExemY3RXNERlNxTk81SndzZkNhZWowTURpQVdBaVlSU1pZaw&q=https%3A%2F%2Fnextshark.com%2Ffrenchmen-assault-thai-man-coma%2F&v=PG-aUBqB7q0

 

The video only shows the end of the fight (not attack) and is hosted on a very biased (and incorrect) report with the headline of 'Thai man in coma after foreign owners of Porsche he was admiring brutally attack him'.

Not one mention in the story of the Thai man even defending himself, never mind openly participating in the brawl.

 

The only part that I can see about tailgating is this little nugget:

According to Lakhana, Somkuan had said, “That car is so beautiful, when will we get a car like this?” They reportedly followed the Porsche to appreciate it for a bit longer before passing.

The Porsche then allegedly began tailgating the couple’s motorbike and honked at them until they pulled to the side of the road in front of a grilled pork stall.

According - reportedly - allegedly, all this coming from the woman who has been proved to be lying all along.

 

When this news first broke, my thoughts were that they should hang these French boys, the news reports made the event sound like both of these 'thugs' stopped their car and for absolutely no reason proceed to give the poor Thai a good stiff kicking.

I was expecting to see a video of the 2 guys jumping on his head while he was unconscious.

What I actually saw was not what is being reported.

 

 

Edited October 20, 2022 by Bert got kinky

[AlQaholic]

7 minutes ago, Bert got kinky said:

The video only shows the end of the fight (not attack) and is hosted on a very biased (and incorrect) report with the headline of 'Thai man in coma after foreign owners of Porsche he was admiring brutally attack him'.

Not one mention in the story of the Thai man even defending himself, never mind openly participating in the brawl.

 

The only part that I can see about tailgating is this little nugget:

According to Lakhana, Somkuan had said, “That car is so beautiful, when will we get a car like this?” They reportedly followed the Porsche to appreciate it for a bit longer before passing.

The Porsche then allegedly began tailgating the couple’s motorbike and honked at them until they pulled to the side of the road in front of a grilled pork stall.

According - reportedly - allegedly, all this coming from the woman who has been proved to be lying all along.

 

When this news first broke, my thoughts were that they should hang these French boys, the news reports made the event sound like both of these 'thugs' stopped their car and for absolutely no reason proceed to give the poor Thai a good stiff kicking.

I was expecting to see a video of the 2 guys jumping on his head while he was unconscious.

What I actually saw was not what is being reported.

 

 

I've been trying to find som more info online, but so far I have not found anything, not even another video posted by any other bystander or cctv. The whole story sounds fake, especially the thing about admiring the car. Maybe if you have some additional info you can post it?

[traveller101]

 

 

Attached the unedited version of the video showing 'the unprovoked attack on a defenceless Thai'.

You be the judge

RPReplay_Final1666000616 (1).MOV

Edited October 20, 2022 by traveller101

[Bert got kinky]

8 minutes ago, AlQaholic said:

I've been trying to find som more info online, but so far I have not found anything, not even another video posted by any other bystander or cctv. The whole story sounds fake, especially the thing about admiring the car. Maybe if you have some additional info you can post it?

If you search back over this thread, you will find it.

It has been posted quite a few times on here.

 

OK, traveller101 has now posted it.

Thank you traveller101

 

Edited October 20, 2022 by Bert got kinky

[richard_smith237]

12 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

What! Are you telling me to stop trolling? Really. Check up on yourself here. Above you are suddenly making a U-turn saying there is no right side of bias. Now look below: 

 

Do your see the end of your last sentence? You are telling me, that I am on the wrong side of bias. It´s your words, man! I hope you know, when someone say there is a wrong side to be on regarding something, that automatically says there is a right side. Please, make up your mind.

 

Your bias was on the wrong side of this situation....     (it was late, I didn’t word the sentence correctly) and you’ve clung on that as your only escape from a stupid stance which is one of flawed bias. 

 

 

You are arguing with the bias that the Thai guy did nothing wrong and is not complicit in his injuries because you feel you need to ‘balance the scales’ - that is a dumb perspective to hold. 

You have argued that anyone who suggests the Thai guy was also complicit is a ’Thai-basher’ who also defends foreigners in any situation - that is also a dumb perspective to hold.

 

You have admitted to ’tipping the scales’ with an out of balance argument - that is trolling, you are a troll.

 

The Thai guy was clearly willing to fight - only you cannot see this.  

 

 

12 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

You are going on about that "if" the Thai guy had hit with his kick, it "could" have been the Frenchman in ICU. If and could??? That is not the facts here. After that, you are trying to say he fell in a bad way, and that is as much his fault as the Frechman´s. What does that really mean? Did he hit himself or did the Frenchman do that to him. Without the hit, would he have been falling?

The Thai guy is also willing participant in a fight. He is also responsible for whatever happens in that fight, as is the French guy...  

You are struggling to understand the very simple concept that when two parties are willing participants in a fight, both are responsible for the outcome which in a fight can go either way.

 

You somehow see this perspective presented by many forum members as ’anti-Thai’ sentiment - its is not, it is simply stating the facts. 

 

 

12 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

Like I say, put off the nonsense. You are just turning around, trying to grab a hold of everything that can possibly smooth it over. I must admit to, that reading your posts, you have done a great work. However, you are not fooling me.

Did you see the Thai guy try and kick the Frenchman while the Frenchman was still on the floor ? (towards the beginning of the incident) ????

 

 

 

12 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

Now, please explain the 2 versions of bias or is it 3 possibilities? Is there a wrong and right side? Only a wrong side and no right? Or is it in correct in your later post, that there is no right or wrong side?

You are clinging on to this ‘wrong side / right side of Bias’..... Bias is Bias... You are wrong in YOUR bias because you are refusing to accept facts instead wishing to argue that the Thai man is not responsible for his part in the incident. 

 

You are wrong - the Thai man is also complicit in the outcome (his injuries) as if the Frenchman. 

They were both willing participants in the fight which could have ended up with various or no consequences... none of them knew how the fight would turn out when it started. 

 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, Bert got kinky said:

The video only shows the end of the fight (not attack) and is hosted on a very biased (and incorrect) report with the headline of 'Thai man in coma after foreign owners of Porsche he was admiring brutally attack him'.

Not one mention in the story of the Thai man even defending himself, never mind openly participating in the brawl.

 

The only part that I can see about tailgating is this little nugget:

According to Lakhana, Somkuan had said, “That car is so beautiful, when will we get a car like this?” They reportedly followed the Porsche to appreciate it for a bit longer before passing.

The Porsche then allegedly began tailgating the couple’s motorbike and honked at them until they pulled to the side of the road in front of a grilled pork stall.

According - reportedly - allegedly, all this coming from the woman who has been proved to be lying all along.

 

When this news first broke, my thoughts were that they should hang these French boys, the news reports made the event sound like both of these 'thugs' stopped their car and for absolutely no reason proceed to give the poor Thai a good stiff kicking.

I was expecting to see a video of the 2 guys jumping on his head while he was unconscious.

What I actually saw was not what is being reported.

 

 

Agreed......   There could be a very strong case for the Frenchmen to file a defamation lawsuit a the media outlet which first reported this incident with such extreme bias.... 

 

Silly, I know, but this is Thailand after all and we have seen people sued for defamation for far less.

 

 

I’m still trying to work out exactly what illegal behaviour the driver committed....

 

- Drinking ??? - he was found drinking after the incident (not before - so no proof of DUI)

- There is no evidence he participated in the fight.

- Why arrest him at all ???

- Why refuse bail to someone with a family in Thailand when it seems there is no evidence against him?

- Is there any documented law about driving on red places out of province?? - its often discussed, but seems to be one of those ‘myths’ - there is nothing in the land traffic act about this. 

 

- Why was the Porsche confiscated ? - was there some evidence on it ? indications of an impact with the motorcycle ?

 

 

It seems the Police are acting however they ‘want’ just because a foreigner was involved. 

 

Certainly the Frenchman involved in the fight needs to be dealt with harshly, just as any Thai would need to be dealt with harshly in the same situation - is he going to receive fair and equal treatment as a Thai would in similar circumstances ???

 

I’m not defending the Frenchman at all - but questioning the potential for ‘unequal or more extreme treatment’ based on nationality here. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, traveller101 said:

Attached the unedited version of the video showing 'the unprovoked attack on a defenceless Thai'.

You be the judge

RPReplay_Final1666000616 (1).MOV 58.75 MB · 6 downloads

 

That is still an edited version.... 

 

There is another version which starts a few seconds earlier than this clip you have linked....

 

It shows the Frenchman on the floor and the Thai man attempting to kick him while he’s on the flaw (other Thai’s drag him off preventing him from landing his kick). 

 

51mins 28 seconds - into the the news video below. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 20, 2022 by richard_smith237

[stupidfarang]

On 10/18/2022 at 9:18 AM, Bert got kinky said:

 

What I don't understand is why they are both in trouble.

I have seen the footage that the Thia press have managed to overlook and I'm not really sure about who I believe was in the wrong at this time, I'm waiting for more information to come in.

 

However, I do not understand what the driver did apart from being there.

Is their some other footage that I have missed?

Is the driver being blacklisted for driving on red plates at night or did he do something that I haven't seen in any of the reports?

 

 

The Thai man, Somkuan was rushed to Koh Samui Hospital, where he reportedly received emergency brain surgery to treat a brain hemorrhage and is still in critical condition. you can get a better outlook on this story at https://nextshark.com/frenchmen-assault-thai-man-coma/ 

[stupidfarang]

Here is a link to more of the story, the thai man has had brain surgery and is in a critical condition https://nextshark.com/frenchmen-assault-thai-man-coma/ 

 

[Bert got kinky]

13 minutes ago, stupidfarang said:

The Thai man, Somkuan was rushed to Koh Samui Hospital, where he reportedly received emergency brain surgery to treat a brain hemorrhage and is still in critical condition. you can get a you can get a better outlook on this story at https://nextshark.com/frenchmen-assault-thai-man-coma/ 

better outlook on this story at https://nextshark.com/frenchmen-assault-thai-man-coma/ 

No it is not, the story in this link is incorrect and most of the video is missing.

This has already been addressed on this thread just 8 posts above yours.

https://aseannow.com/topic/1275074-jailed-and-blacklisted-frenchmen-in-attack-on-thai-man-ordered-held-by-court-driver-is-hua-hin-man-with-thai-wife/page/11/#comment-17675542

 

 

[Gottfrid]

41 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

The Thai guy is also willing participant in a fight. He is also responsible for whatever happens in that fight, as is the French guy...  

You are struggling to understand the very simple concept that when two parties are willing participants in a fight, both are responsible for the outcome which in a fight can go either way.

This is where you repeat yourself and, according to me, are wrong every time. According to the law, the fault always falls on the one that hurt another person or is the reason for the same result. That you believe, out of your opinion, that both are responsible does not make it so. The fact, that one is of foreign nationality and only a guest in the country, does not make it better. I can think of a lot of nations that would react same in such situations. Even in the western world.

[Gottfrid]

17 minutes ago, Bert got kinky said:

better outlook on this story at https://nextshark.com/frenchmen-assault-thai-man-coma/ 

No it is not, the story in this link is incorrect and most of the video is missing.

This has already been addressed on this thread just 8 posts above yours.

https://aseannow.com/topic/1275074-jailed-and-blacklisted-frenchmen-in-attack-on-thai-man-ordered-held-by-court-driver-is-hua-hin-man-with-thai-wife/page/11/#comment-17675542

 

 

But the guy is still in critical condition, as a result of the Frenchman´s punch? Is that correct? Is that not what is important here?

 

It´s the result of a one´s actions that counts. If an open hand with the guy still standing and no major injuries. Then not much of a fuss. Just a wai and 500 baht. Now it´s a hit that floors a guy, that results in a severe injury because of the punch. Still the result of an action, and no wai´s is gonna help here.

Edited October 20, 2022 by Gottfrid

[Harveyboy]

23 hours ago, Bert got kinky said:

aiding and abetting..

Are you posting this for a joke?

Please show me another case in Thailand (from any time) where someone has been convicted of aiding and abetting.

 

Also, please explain what you think aiding and abetting is.

Should the other (Thai) onlookers also be charged with aiding and abetting?

 

 

 

calm down old chap.. Cardiac....

if 2 people are in a car and one goes into a bank and robs it and one is driving..it's aiding and abetting..if 2 people chase a motor bike in a car and one gets out and almost kills someone and the other guy is driving it's aiding and abetting isn't it Just sayin  PS the onlookers were Not driving the car or did I miss something..

[Bert got kinky]

1 minute ago, Harveyboy said:

calm down old chap.. Cardiac....

if 2 people are in a car and one goes into a bank and robs it and one is driving..it's aiding and abetting..if 2 people chase a motor bike in a car and one gets out and almost kills someone and the other guy is driving it's aiding and abetting isn't it Just sayin  PS the onlookers were Not driving the car or did I miss something..

if 2 people are in a car and one goes into a bank and robs it and one is driving..it's aiding and abetting

Not if the driver drove to the bank without knowing his passenger was going to rob the bank.

 

if 2 people chase a motor bike in a car and one gets out and almost kills someone and the other guy is driving it's aiding and abetting isn't it

Again, no.

There is no evidence that the driver stopped so the passenger could fight with the Thai man.

In fact, it was reported that their might have been a slight accident, in which case the driver would have broken the law by not stopping.

 

PS the onlookers were Not driving the car or did I miss something..

And when the driver got out his vehicle he became another onlooker.

In fact, from the videos that are available, some of the onlookers played more of a part in the fight than the driver.

 

 

[Harveyboy]

1 minute ago, Bert got kinky said:

if 2 people are in a car and one goes into a bank and robs it and one is driving..it's aiding and abetting

Not if the driver drove to the bank without knowing his passenger was going to rob the bank.

 

if 2 people chase a motor bike in a car and one gets out and almost kills someone and the other guy is driving it's aiding and abetting isn't it

Again, no.

There is no evidence that the driver stopped so the passenger could fight with the Thai man.

In fact, it was reported that their might have been a slight accident, in which case the driver would have broken the law by not stopping.

 

PS the onlookers were Not driving the car or did I miss something..

And when the driver got out his vehicle he became another onlooker.

In fact, from the videos that are available, some of the onlookers played more of a part in the fight than the driver.

 

 

ok so we agree to disagree no problem that's what these forums are for debate eh !! ..have a good day H

[Keep Right]

The Thai man tried to kick the French man when he was down, enough said and a reason for the French man to claim self defense. I would contribute to the French man's Go Fund Me account if he had one.

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, Gottfrid said:

This is where you repeat yourself and, according to me, are wrong every time. According to the law, the fault always falls on the one that hurt another person or is the reason for the same result. That you believe, out of your opinion, that both are responsible does not make it so. The fact, that one is of foreign nationality and only a guest in the country, does not make it better. I can think of a lot of nations that would react same in such situations. Even in the western world.

Your implication has been that the Thai guy its not complicit at all - this is clearly wrong. 

 

There was a fight in which both participants willingly fought. 

 

This is not an unprovoked attack as stated by the media. 

 

It seems you have refused to accept that the Thai man was also complicit for his behaviour in this incident.

 

Both the Frenchman and Thai mans aggression and willingness to fight presents the legal grounds for  mitigating circumstances of the other. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, Gottfrid said:

But the guy is still in critical condition, as a result of the Frenchman´s punch? Is that correct? Is that not what is important here?

No... because you have narrowed it down to ‘one single punch’.... 

 

Both participants were fighting, both swung punches and kicks, both were aggressive, both could have walked away.... one person has paid with injury and another will pay legally.

 

The extent of legal accountability may be limited by the actions of the Thai as a willing participant in the violent interaction. 

 

 

IF the Thai guy simply tried to run away and avoid conflict you would have everyone on side....  but this is clearly not the case here. 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

13 minutes ago, Keep Right said:

The Thai man tried to kick the French man when he was down, enough said and a reason for the French man to claim self defense. I would contribute to the French man's Go Fund Me account if he had one.

Well... we still need to know what started the incident. 

 

Did the Thai guy damage the car and try and escape, hence the chase down by the French guys ?

 

Did the French guys simply get angry at the Thai guy for something innocuous ?

 

There is still a lot missing from the story. 

 

 

[Bert got kinky]

2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Well... we still need to know what started the incident. 

 

Did the Thai guy damage the car and try and escape, hence the chase down by the French guys ?

 

Did the French guys simply get angry at the Thai guy for something innocuous ?

 

There is still a lot missing from the story. 

 

 

 

You are upsetting the 'hang em high' crowd by removing the conclusions that they need to jump to. ????

 

 

[bob smith]

On 10/18/2022 at 3:11 PM, connda said:

If it was two Thai Hisos beating a farang unconscious and putting him into ICU, the pair would be out on bail.  The story would disappear from the MSM as some paltry compensation was negotiated and the farang victim would probably be thrown out of the country and blacklisted because he was unconscious and in ICU when his visa extension expired

so true m8. makes you sick this place at times doesnt it, double standards constantly! 

[Gottfrid]

25 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Your implication has been that the Thai guy its not complicit at all - this is clearly wrong. 

 

There was a fight in which both participants willingly fought. 

 

This is not an unprovoked attack as stated by the media. 

 

It seems you have refused to accept that the Thai man was also complicit for his behaviour in this incident.

 

Both the Frenchman and Thai mans aggression and willingness to fight presents the legal grounds for  mitigating circumstances of the other. 

 

I have not said the Thai man has no part in it. I can´t care less what the media writes, as they always turn things the best way to sell an extra subscription. In your country and many other it might be as you say, but I do not think mitigating circumstances exists in Thailand when they see a foreigner put a Thai in ICU. So, there we have it. Something that all who travel here should be very aware of. Otherwise, it will lead to problem, fines, jail and deportation.

It´s just to face it. We are living in Thailand (At least I think you do). We must accept their way of living and how they deal with things to fit in. I guess, I am just too well adjusted, then.

[Rimmer]

A troll post has been removed

[mikeymike100]

4 minutes ago, bob smith said:

so true m8. makes you sick this place at times doesnt it, double standards constantly! 

Quite so, lets hope AN keeps on top of this story and updates us on what happens!

[bob smith]

5 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

We must accept their way of living and how they deal with things to fit in

Think i'll pass tbh.

[bob smith]

18 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

We have to understand. We can´t blame Thais for what we do.

can we blame thais for what they do though??

 

that also seems to be something we cant do because they can't take any blame for anything! 

[Ohyesuare]

"It is not clear how this case will proceed as the victim is not yet out of danger and still unconscious while the two French nationals appear to be negotiating with the man’s wife through the police in Bophut to reach a resolution to prevent very serious charges being prosecuted against them"

 

Looks like they'll most likely avoid jail after some heavy brown envelopes are handed out. Might have to sell that new luxury car to afford them.