23 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Usual comment from an an owner of an aggressive breed. 

 

Its not YOUR well trained dog thats the problem PJ71... You may be a great dog owner. 

 

The problem is the other owners who fail to train their dogs and when they don’t these dogs can be aggressive and deadly (the stats prove this). 

 

This is not the same as failing to train a cocker spaniel or golden retriever which does not have an ‘aggressive instinct’ or undergone generations of breeding to be aggressive and attack. 

 

These dogs are dangerous unless well trained. 

 

And when you comment.. 'Usual comments from people that have never owned these dogs'

Well of course we haven’t opened these dogs... Its because we are not stupid..

.... we know these dogs need lots of space, experienced ownership, dedicated time, skilled training....  IF we cannot provide this we know these types of dogs become aggressive and dangerous - thats exactly why we don’t have them. 

 

Any person who owns these dogs in an inner city environment without the space, time and experience to train them properly is a selfcentered ayhole for creating a danger - we read of this again and again. 

 

 

 

 

 

Exactly!  Reminds me of the line from comedian Steve Hofstetter:

"I'm not a helicopter pilot, but if I saw a helicopter stuck in a tree, I'd say "Dude <deleted> up."

23 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Any person who owns these dogs in an inner city environment without the space, time and experience to train them properly is a selfcentered ayhole for creating a danger - we read of this again and again. 

Could not agree more....

 

It staggers me that people are prepared to buy big, energetic dogs, but also live in a city.....it really should not be allowed for the sake of the dog as much as anyone else.

Some off topic obfuscation posts and replies have been removed.

23 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

golden retriever which does not have an ‘aggressive instinct’

Along with many others on this thread. Another poster that doesn't know what he's talking about. 

 

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Unfortunately, it is not unheard of. Golden Retrievers are just as likely to show aggressive behavior as any other animal (or human) out there.

https://petkeen.com/can-golden-retrievers-be-aggressive/

2 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

"A dog biting a woman getting out a lift is not interesting to many..."

Er, yes it is, hence the interest here as just one example.

No, it is just an excuse for pro/anti pit bulls to fight it out again. 

4 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

No, it is just an excuse for pro/anti pit bulls to fight it out again. 

Of this had been a poodle biting a person in a condo it wouldn't have made the news

54 minutes ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

On 11/1/2022 at 12:40 PM, richard_smith237 said:

golden retriever which does not have an ‘aggressive instinct’

Along with many others on this thread. Another poster that doesn't know what he's talking about. 

 

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Unfortunately, it is not unheard of. Golden Retrievers are just as likely to show aggressive behavior as any other animal (or human) out there.

https://petkeen.com/can-golden-retrievers-be-aggressive/

 

Quotes from the same webpage you linked to: 

 

- Pit Bull-type dogs and Rottweilers were held responsible for about 75% of dog bite deaths where the breed was identified.

 

- The three breeds with the highest percentage of reported dog bites were Pit Bulls, mixed breeds, and German Shepherds.

 

I’m glad that your dog and PJ71’s dog is a safe dog., well looked after, well trained, with space to run around etc...  

I’m glad that you are a fully responsible owner who would take full liability in the event a your dog attacked someone (wouldn’t you ?? - heavy fine if your dog hurt someone / jail if your dog killed a child etc).

 

 

 

BUT... what about all the other Pitbulls and ‘potentially’ dangerous breeds out there with owners who are not as caring as you ????

 

This issue is not about YOUR lovely dogs... Its about the others, which aren’t so lovely because the owners are careless. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

44 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

49 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

No, it is just an excuse for pro/anti pit bulls to fight it out again. 

Of this had been a poodle biting a person in a condo it wouldn't have made the news

Of course it wouldn’t have....  Because ‘Oh, no, not another Poodle attacking a person’ is something we are very unlikely to read or hear... why ?.... because poodles attacking and severely injuring people is not a common event... 

 

Dangerous dogs lists consist of dangerous dogs for a reason... clue - they are dangerous !!!

 

 

 

 

 

Had a Pit/Lab mixed.. wonderful dog raised from puppy. Once I heard her heard her barking like crazy and hearing bad reviews on their temperament ran in backyard with a stick Incase I had to defend myself…. she was trying to help a little puppy that’s head was stuck in the fence….

 

the only other issue …. neighbor said she tried to bite him… asked how dog was in fenced backyard..

uhh ohhh I was going to borrow your lawnmower that was in backyard…. no one was home thy were

doing that four letter word WORK… gave the dog a treat no one should go and take anything out of

anyone’s yard without asking …..

7 hours ago, JonnyF said:

No. That's why owners should be educated. There is no reason to wipe out an entire breed just because certain humans do not know how to raise them. 

 

It would be impossible anyway, since "PitBull" is a general term that can cover many different breeds such as Cane Corso, American PitBull Terrier, Doggo Argentino, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, American Bulldog, various cross breeds etc.

 

 

There was an attack a couple of years ago reported on here by what was clearly a badly bred English bulldog that was labelled "PitBull" attack. Time to educate people.

I remember a phrase used by Anthony Robbins, during his presentations. Trying to teach people the importance of using the right word. He did not consider that 'time to educate people', but in any event, here it is:

 

"I like it when you say that something is impossible, and you do it anyway'.

 

4 hours ago, PJ71 said:

Are you one of the guys that defends people driving Harleys?

Nice one, !!!!!!!!!!!!!! to funny. 

Good to see humor,  is not completely lost on Asean Now.

 

7 hours ago, JonnyF said:

I am a guest here.

Now we know your just having a laugh.

Shoot the mut. Ban the breed. 

On 11/1/2022 at 12:06 PM, Hamus Yaigh said:

That's it? Who writes this stuff? What about the dog owner? Is he locked up yet?

I did. It's called a translation , there was no other information. 

 

Rooster

4 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Of this had been a poodle biting a person in a condo it wouldn't have made the news

Wanna bet?

 

Rooster

5 hours ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

Along with many others on this thread. Another poster that doesn't know what he's talking about. 

 

https://petkeen.com/can-golden-retrievers-be-aggressive/

I read the article all the way through and although it is specifically talking about golden retrievers, the article really applies to all breeds of dog.

On 11/1/2022 at 12:18 PM, richard_smith237 said:

Well... We’ve had enough of these ‘aggressive dog threads’ to know the issues... but they are still being defended by some with comments such as ‘its not the dogs fault’ etc...

 

... I don’t care.. IF a dog needs to be well trained to have its natural aggression and instinct 'trained out of it’ then there is something very wrong already.... 

 

 

 

And why isn't the dog living in a much more suitable environment?

On 11/1/2022 at 5:27 AM, Andre0720 said:

Oh, another failure about following my advice regarding total eradication of these breeds.

But then, I give lots of advice to my GF, same failure level.

 

Oh well, I try to keep on smiling....

If the world only realised how important what you have to say is, it would be a wonderful place.

17 hours ago, Neeranam said:

20 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

"A dog biting a woman getting out a lift is not interesting to many..."

Er, yes it is, hence the interest here as just one example.

No, it is just an excuse for pro/anti pit bulls to fight it out again. 

There's a rational "pro-Pitbull" argument?

On 11/2/2022 at 8:40 AM, mikebell said:

You cannot educate dog owners; they are blinded by sentimentality. 

As you also say deafened too! My neighbours seem to have no issue with thier incessant barking. (When they are at home that is). 

11 hours ago, Joe Farang said:

If the world only realized how important what you have to say is, it would be a wonderful place.

Well, goes for you as well.

Regards

16 hours ago, billd766 said:

22 hours ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

Along with many others on this thread. Another poster that doesn't know what he's talking about. 

 

https://petkeen.com/can-golden-retrievers-be-aggressive/

I read the article all the way through and although it is specifically talking about golden retrievers, the article really applies to all breeds of dog.

That website itself, while it attempts to paint a very balanced and open minded picture also has some extremely damning comment... (which I quoted above)....

 

- Pit Bull-type dogs and Rottweilers were held responsible for about 75% of dog bite deaths where the breed was identified.

 

- The three breeds with the highest percentage of reported dog bites were Pit Bulls, mixed breeds, and German Shepherds.

 

It highlights exactly how blinded the ‘Pro-Pitbull’ brigade are that the websites they quiet to defend the ownership of the breed also have some rather damning quotes. 

 

 

22 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

I’m glad that you are a fully responsible owner who would take full liability in the event a your dog attacked someone (wouldn’t you ?? - heavy fine if your dog hurt someone / jail if your dog killed a child etc).

Liability for something in Thailand - lol

 

This shows your naivety.

2 minutes ago, PJ71 said:

22 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

I’m glad that you are a fully responsible owner who would take full liability in the event a your dog attacked someone (wouldn’t you ?? - heavy fine if your dog hurt someone / jail if your dog killed a child etc).

Liability for something in Thailand - lol

 

This shows your naivety.

 

Naivety you say??... You’ve just shown your true colours. 

 

If your Pitbull attacked and killed a child you’d avoid responsibility because this is Thailand and the laws are weaker. 

 

And... this is the issue with the owners of these dangerous dogs...  they are not forced to be held accountable for the consequences of their poor choices.... 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

5 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Naivety you say??... You’ve just shown your true colours.

Yes - that's what i said.

 

5 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

If your Pitbull attacked and killed a child

Won't happen. I only have control of my own life not others, therefore i'm not concerned about things i have zero control over.

28 minutes ago, PJ71 said:

36 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Naivety you say??... You’ve just shown your true colours.

Yes - that's what i said.

 

36 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

If your Pitbull attacked and killed a child

Won't happen. I only have control of my own life not others, therefore i'm not concerned about things i have zero control over.

 

Won't happen....   said every dog owner who’s dog attacked someone else... 

 

I also agree with what you wrote... ‘you only have control of your own life not others’.....    you don’t have full control over your dog (no one does)...

 

You don’t know IF or when something triggers your dog and its only sentiment that makes you want to believe that your loving pet could not hurt another - that sentiment is stupid and why powerful dogs are dangerous. 

 

.... Its ridiculous to hear these Pitbull owners identify that their dogs are only ‘dangerous’ to other dogs, not to people !!!...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

29 minutes ago, PJ71 said:

37 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Naivety you say??... You’ve just shown your true colours.

Yes - that's what i said.

And in doing so highlighted that you’d not want to take any accountability for your dogs actions, you’ve even pulled the wool over your own eyes that ‘nothing would happen’....  when you can’t possibly know that... you HOPE nothing will happen - but thats different from knowing.

 

We see some argue that it was the ‘other persons fault’ the dog was only defending their space or some other such BS....    

 

Too many stories, too many attacks...  too many innocent kids scared for life because idiot owners think ‘it will never happen’.....   thats not just naivety, its reckless stupidity. 

 

 

 

 

33 minutes ago, PJ71 said:

Won't happen.

Reckless stupidity....   The only responsible answer from an owner of any dog, particularly dogs considered power and dangerous is something along the lines of.... 

 

“Owning a powerful dog with a reputation for being dangerous comes with additional responsibility and requires additional measures to ensure the dog is secure and innocent others are safe at all times.... those who can’t meet these measures should not own these types of dog’.... 

 

 

On 11/1/2022 at 3:25 PM, newnative said:

Dogs and condos. . . no.

Me and condos No.

On 11/1/2022 at 9:55 AM, RabidRenu said:

They are nice dogs if they have their balls removed if they're male, can't comment on the bitches. A major problem I witness on a daily basis (the farm family has one) is they don't know their own strength and heft and are highly excitable, often bumping heavily into whatever is in the way

Doesn't the above apply to most of the owners of these canine Killers???

The owners of such critters in the UK quite often own these creatures to watch over their stash of illegal drugs and deter competitors. Hope the RTP don't read this and come a sniffing round Pit Bull owners ????