3 hours ago, candide said:

Really shocking! A politician inciting people not to vote for his opponents!

It seems that you did not understand (your?) president. The president, the leader of the nation governing party, has said if you do not vote as I tell you you are threatening the democracy.  Hmhm... 

(voting is a threat to the democracy?)

 

5 minutes ago, Saanim said:

It seems that you did not understand (your?) president. The president, the leader of the nation governing party, has said if you do not vote as I tell you you are threatening the democracy.  Hmhm... 

(voting is a threat to the democracy?)

 

So when members of a party are threatening democracy, starting with the one who seem to own the party, it should not be said? 

34 minutes ago, Saanim said:

It seems that you did not understand (your?) president. The president, the leader of the nation governing party, has said if you do not vote as I tell you you are threatening the democracy.  Hmhm... 

(voting is a threat to the democracy?)

 

He wasn't talking about all Republicans. Only MAGA types who favor fascist tactics to overturn elections. 

7 hours ago, Saanim said:

It seems that you did not understand (your?) president. The president, the leader of the nation governing party, has said if you do not vote as I tell you you are threatening the democracy.  Hmhm... 

(voting is a threatthe  to the democracy?)

 

Where to begin?  Most people read Biden's words and correctly interpreted them to be a reminder that the Republican party has been promoting dangerous, undemocratic ideas.

 

You have a strangely specific interpretation to his words that lends itself to paranoid conspiracy theories. 

 

I won't speculate on reasons.

5 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Where to begin?  Most people read Biden's words and correctly interpreted them to be a reminder that the Republican party has been promoting dangerous, undemocratic ideas.

 

You have a strangely specific interpretation to his words that lends itself to paranoid conspiracy theories. 

 

I won't speculate on reasons.

Is that the same Republican Party that handed over power to the Democrats two years ago , albeit reluctantly  ?

   The Republican party that ceded power two years ago and is now participating in current elections , they are the ones who are a threat to democracy ? 

   Or are the Dems using the  protest as a scare tactic ?

15 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Is that the same Republican Party that handed over power to the Democrats two years ago , albeit reluctantly  ?

   The Republican party that ceded power two years ago and is now participating in current elections , they are the ones who are a threat to democracy ? 

   Or are the Dems using the  protest as a scare tactic ?

Yes, the Republican Party that reluctantly accepted the inevitable and, belatedly, allowed a peaceful transfer of power.  The party that showed the greatest contempt for the results of a legitimate election in U.S. history.

 

No, I don't think the Democrats informing voters of the recent history of the Republican Party, or reminding voters that a large number of Republican candidates are election deniers, are scare tactics.  I think it's reminding voters of their choices. 

9 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

About 70 million American voters votes for Trump, twice.

What does that tell us about their intelligence and state of mind?

Most people like that don't care about facts and truth - if they understand that concept at all. 

Soooo, it's all right to disparage about 70 million people because they didn't vote the way you think they should, is it?

Perhaps they disliked the Democrat option so much they'd vote for someone that you dislike, as the least worst of 2 options.

Have you asked all 70 million why they did so- obviously not, but have you asked any of them?

9 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

It must be great having a crystal ball.

Did you miss "seems that" or not understand what it means?

Just now, heybruce said:

Yes, the Republican Party that reluctantly accepted the inevitable and, belatedly, allowed a peaceful transfer of power.  The party that showed the greatest contempt for the results of a legitimate election in U.S. history.

 

No, I don't think the Democrats informing voters of the recent history of the Republican Party, or reminding voters that a large number of Republican candidates are election deniers, are scare tactics.  I think its reminding voters of their choices. 

I am quite sure that every voter in the USA is aware of what happened and they haven't forgot about it , so no need to remind anyone of anything .

   It was a protest /demonstration that went too far and got out of hand , but at the end of the day all the demonstrators went home and things continued as normal and Biden received the Presidency . 

   Now the Dems are getting a much mileage out of that as possible and trying to portray it as a threat to democracy.................even though it ended up being democratic last time .

   (And BTW , lets forget about all those who never accepted Trump as their President and tried for four years yo over turn THAT election result) (And the current attempts to stop him from running in the next elections) 

9 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Indeed, it's been a years long anti-democracy campaign by Trump and his acolytes that began well before he was elected president, and has continued ever since.... Fostering distrust in the country's system for electing its leaders, without any basis for doing so.

 

But he's been succeeding, to the extent that a good share of Americans now are suspect of the elections system nationwide. And of course, that's what any autocrat in waiting is gonna want to see happen.

 

Americans need to wake up, and realize the Big Lie is just that, a big lie, and too many of them have been sucked into believing it.  That's exactly what Biden has been correctly warning out here -- partisan politics aside.

 

 

It must be frustrating that your side just can't make the other side believe your side, and continue to want to vote for the "wrong" side.

Hmmmm. seems like democracy to me.

8 hours ago, Jingthing said:

They may need to but they won't. Democracy is hard work to keep viable. Personally I think that collectively Americans are saying bring on a totalitarian state. We can't be bothered to do better. This will be regretted of course but then it will be too late.

Have you considered that the problem is that the Democrats just can't find better policies that would convince more people to vote for them?

11 hours ago, Jingthing said:

MAGA is for murdering democracy. So voting for MAGA is pro fascist, anti democracy, anti constitution, and indeed anti American. 

You missed including "in your opinion".

41 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Where to begin?  Most people read Biden's words and correctly interpreted them to be a reminder that the Republican party has been promoting dangerous, undemocratic ideas.

 

You have a strangely specific interpretation to his words that lends itself to paranoid conspiracy theories. 

 

I won't speculate on reasons.

Yeah a sort of toxic literalness, with indications of being disingenuous.

Biden never said you can't vote for republicans or even MAGA ones but he is saying that the large MAGA faction are promoters of the big lie and are actively working to put people into power (particularly governors and secretaries of state) that will clearly put MAGA ideology over vote totals in future elections. I call that fascism. Biden calls that semi fascism. 

Here we are!

Trump and other Republicans are already casting doubt on midterm results

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/06/politics/trump-midterms-casting-doubt-pennsylvania/index.html

4 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Yeah a sort of toxic literalness, with indications of being disingenuous.

Biden never said you can't vote for republicans or even MAGA ones but he is saying that the large MAGA faction are promoters of the big lie and are actively working to put people into power (particularly governors and secretaries of state) that will clearly put MAGA ideology over vote totals in future elections. I call that fascism. Biden calls that semi fascism. 

To be honest a big part of the problem has been that voting laws and systems changed so suddenly in 2020. The advent of more voting by mail, extended periods of advance voting and so on make it look very easy to cheat.  For a lot of people, voting means going to the polls on election day, proving you are eligible to vote, and voting. Anything that messes with that simple system can be easy to corrupt. 

2 hours ago, candide said:

Here we are!

Trump and other Republicans are already casting doubt on midterm results

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/06/politics/trump-midterms-casting-doubt-pennsylvania/index.html

Seeing as this is supposed to be a thread about BIDEN, let's have some BIDEN casting doubt on midterm results. Here we are!

 

"During Wednesday’s White House news conference, Biden stunned viewers by saying the results this November “easily could be illegitimate” and adding “I’m not going to say it’s going to be legit” — seeming to parrot Trump’s claims that Democrats said irresponsibly undermined faith in US democracy."

https://nypost.com/2022/01/21/psaki-tries-to-explain-why-biden-cast-doubt-on-midterm-election-legitimacy/

 

I wonder if a sitting President casting doubt on electoral integrity is good for democracy? What say the Biden bros?

19 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

To be honest a big part of the problem has been that voting laws and systems changed so suddenly in 2020. The advent of more voting by mail, extended periods of advance voting and so on make it look very easy to cheat.  For a lot of people, voting means going to the polls on election day, proving you are eligible to vote, and voting. Anything that messes with that simple system can be easy to corrupt. 

And yet USAG William Barr found no evidence of voter fraud beyond a handful of individuals who were all prosecuted.

14 hours ago, Jingthing said:

He wasn't talking about all Republicans. Only MAGA types who favor fascist tactics to overturn elections. 

Do you have a plausible attribution to your statement?

 

8 hours ago, heybruce said:

Most people read Biden's words and correctly interpreted them to be a reminder that the Republican party has been promoting dangerous, undemocratic ideas.

 

Do you have a plausible attribution to your statement?

3 minutes ago, Saanim said:

Do you have a plausible attribution to your statement?

 

Do you have a plausible attribution to your statement?

I'm skeptical that you even follow credible news to ask such a BASIC question. Not all questions have value contrary to what MAGA types like Tucker Carlson might assert. Silly questions are cynically WEAPONIZED. So -- I won't be further bothered. BYE. 

 

Biden slams "MAGA Republicans," compares the philosophy to "semi-fascism" - CBS News

Quote

"I respect conservative Republicans," Mr. Biden said later. "I don't respect these MAGA Republicans."

President Biden

 

On 11/3/2022 at 6:38 PM, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Why would any American who believes in the country's democracy vote for lawmakers from a Republican party that in effect condoned (by not impeaching Trump) an armed insurrection he fomented attempting to overthrow the presidential election?

 

Why would any American who believes in the country's democracy vote for candidates from a Republican party whose party leaders in multiple states tried to subvert the country's presidential election with a scheme to promote fake presidential electors?

 

Why would any American who believes in the country's democracy vote for candidates from a Republican party where a large share of them continue to deny the legitimacy of an elected president and election outcome, even after dozens of courts and judges across the land, including those appointed by Trump, found their claims entirely without merit?

 

Etc etc etc.

 

The Big Lie is alive and well in the Republican Party at large, and not just among MAGA extremists. And Biden is right when he says, those kind of people and candidates are threats to the American democracy.

 

You will see in a few days the Why, Why Why. America is a Republic and lets hope it stays that way. It's a reach to find one good thing Biden has done for the good of America. Roll on November 8!!!

On 11/7/2022 at 12:32 PM, dotcalm said:

 

Democrats and their ilk love to use loaded phrases to demonize their opponents. The use of "... denier" is another. It was originally and almost exclusively used in the context of the Holocaust, ie a person is a "Holocaust denier".  Now they are using that taint to label anyone who does not fall lockstep into line with their political and social positions. SImilar to the use of ".... phobe".  Inaccurate and derogatory. 

1 hour ago, vandeventer said:

It's a reach to find one good thing Biden has done for the good of America.

He has not been trump and that is more than enough.

6 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Democrats and their ilk love to use loaded phrases to demonize their opponents. The use of "... denier" is another. It was originally and almost exclusively used in the context of the Holocaust, ie a person is a "Holocaust denier".  Now they are using that taint to label anyone who does not fall lockstep into line with their political and social positions. SImilar to the use of ".... phobe".  Inaccurate and derogatory. 

"Democrats and their ilk love to use loaded phrases to demonize their opponents."

You mean in the same way trump uses infantile nicknames for his opponents? Or that MAGA guys love to talk about snowflakes and <deleted>?

And no, election deniers are not "anyone who does not fall lockstep into line with their political and social positions", they're MAGA cultist who have lost touch with reality and believe the pathetic lie that trump told when his inflated ego couldn't cope with the crushing election loss.

13 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

"Democrats and their ilk love to use loaded phrases to demonize their opponents."

You mean in the same way trump uses infantile nicknames for his opponents? Or that MAGA guys love to talk about snowflakes and <deleted>?

 

Actually yes.  Although the tedious "...but TRUMP" refrain is not really needed. It is a pretty low standard to hold oneself to. 

 

I hear "... denier" only used by one side. Ditto for "...phobe" or "racist" or "supremacist". IMHO these are much more serious loaded political terms than juvenile insults.  

2 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Actually yes.  Although the tedious "...but TRUMP" refrain is not really needed. It is a pretty low standard to hold oneself to. 

 

I hear "... denier" only used by one side. Ditto for "...phobe" or "racist" or "supremacist". IMHO these are much more serious loaded political terms than juvenile insults.  

Yes, and considering many of the MAGA guys truly deserve to be called that and worse should tell you all you need to know about them.

4 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Yes, and considering many of the MAGA guys truly deserve to be called that and worse should tell you all you need to know about them.

Don't worry it will all be over by Tuesday evening. The GOP will win, the world will continue as before, except perhaps the US economy might recovering and sanity will prevail. 

 

But seriously, it fascinates me the vitriol that pours out of people. Most of the right wing folks I know (and being a neanderthal myself I know many) freely admit that they think lefties are wrong, but not evil. However, my leftie friends are convinced that conservatives are both evil AND wrong. Which makes having constructive conversations a challenge. Lots more happiness on the right, as well as more attractive women.

55 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

He has not been trump and that is more than enough.

Maybe for you, but not for the millions of Americans that want a true leader.

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6 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Seeing as this is supposed to be a thread about BIDEN, let's have some BIDEN casting doubt on midterm results. Here we are!

 

"During Wednesday’s White House news conference, Biden stunned viewers by saying the results this November “easily could be illegitimate” and adding “I’m not going to say it’s going to be legit” — seeming to parrot Trump’s claims that Democrats said irresponsibly undermined faith in US democracy."

https://nypost.com/2022/01/21/psaki-tries-to-explain-why-biden-cast-doubt-on-midterm-election-legitimacy/

 

I wonder if a sitting President casting doubt on electoral integrity is good for democracy? What say the Biden bros?

And as usual, fake news out of context! ???? He was referering to 2020

Quote from the interview:

Biden: “Oh, yeah, I think it easily could be – be illegitimate. Imagine – imagine if, in fact, Trump has succeeded in convincing Pence to not count the votes.”

Reporter: “In regard to 2022, sir – the midterm elections.”

Biden: “Oh, 2022...."

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/01/20/politics/biden-midterm-election-voter-rights-legitimate/index.html

7 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

To be honest a big part of the problem has been that voting laws and systems changed so suddenly in 2020. The advent of more voting by mail, extended periods of advance voting and so on make it look very easy to cheat.  For a lot of people, voting means going to the polls on election day, proving you are eligible to vote, and voting. Anything that messes with that simple system can be easy to corrupt. 

To start with, It's not true. Please explain how it can be corrupt and allow massive fraud able to change the outcome of elections, without being caught.

 

Then if people doubt about these changes, it didn't come up naturally. It's been the result of the MAGA propaganda which used it as a pretext for falsely claim the elections were rigged.