Court Accepts Cannabis Lawsuit Against Anutin, ONCB

[hotchilli]

7 hours ago, 2baht said:

Dinosaurs just don't understand!

To be fair I never had any issue with this being produced and used in a medicinal way.. as it was supposed to be originally.

However it now seems you can buy it on any street corner/shop/outlet/online and even restaurants selling it within food.

This has gone too far.. and become the usual free-for-all.

 

 

[tomacht8]

It's annoying, this constant back and forth, non-stop ambiguity and legal instability. The general approach to decriminalizing hemp makes sense. Ultimately, the user only harms himself, just like with the legal consumption of alcohol, cigarettes, junk food or sugary drinks. The only thing missing here is a clear legal basis that forms a framework for the freedom to consume hemp. It's a pity that some politicians and interest groups want to create a medieval situation again, which ultimately wants to patronize and enslave society.

[BE88]

4 hours ago, bradiston said:

What's the Administrative Court, and who sits on it?

Prayut

[khunjeff]

I realize that Thailand doesn't operate under common law, but it's still hard for me to understand what standing these people have to sue, and on what basis they could prevail. It's pretty clear that the MOPH had the legal authority to de-list marijuana, and disagreeing with their decision doesn't seem like grounds for overturning that decision.

 

It's also strange that recent reporting gives the impression that MOPH, ONCB, and possibly the National Assembly and the cabinet all have the authority to list or de-list substances from the narcotics list, which would seem to be a recipe for chaos. 

[monkfish]

The government still needs him to stay in power so he thinks he can do as he pleases.

[bradiston]

I don't see the grounds for this lawsuit. Are they stated anywhere? Are there legal grounds? Maybe there's a copy floating around somewhere.

[LoveLayla]

4 hours ago, ChrisY1 said:

Is the plant that Anutin is smelling, in the Pattaya canabis shop that just got robbed?

What shop was robbed? Any news link?

[stoner]

3 hours ago, 0815 said:

Joined by "digital nomads", long term backpackers and old hippies.

you been waiting a long time to lump all those stereotypes into a single comment. 

[sambum]

Oh dear! Mr Anutin might have to find another way to expand his wealth - maybe the Building Trade?

[sambum]

37 minutes ago, monkfish said:

The government still needs him to stay in power so he thinks he can do as he pleases.

Why do they need him to stay in power? Last I heard he was going to try for the top job, but the guy who has the top job doesn't want to go?

[sambum]

1 hour ago, khunjeff said:

I realize that Thailand doesn't operate under common law, but it's still hard for me to understand what standing these people have to sue, and on what basis they could prevail. It's pretty clear that the MOPH had the legal authority to de-list marijuana, and disagreeing with their decision doesn't seem like grounds for overturning that decision.

 

It's also strange that recent reporting gives the impression that MOPH, ONCB, and possibly the National Assembly and the cabinet all have the authority to list or de-list substances from the narcotics list, which would seem to be a recipe for chaos. 

Welcome to Thailand's judicial/regulatory system!

[JCauto]

2 hours ago, IamNoone88 said:

Personally, I don't touch the stuff. But my view is that the pendulum swung way too far to the left and into a full on free for all uncontrolled territory. That simply has potential repercussions at a minimum socially and economically. Medical use ... no problem. Smoking a bunch of high THC content joints and jumping into your 3.0L pickup and driving at 100kph .... nope. There needs to be balance and they are not there yet.

The issue is not "jumping into your 3.0L pickup and driving at 100kph". It's driving at 10kph. 

The research has proven inconclusive as to whether the introduction of legal cannabis results in increased or decreased incidences of impaired driving and accidents. The research is absolute and crystal clear that alcohol causes impairment and increased incidences of accidents, injuries, death and damage. Yet alcohol has been legal the entire time and you're waffling on about marijuana when you clearly don't understand anything about it. Nobody who gets high starts driving faster, they drive slower. It's not ideal, but it's far less dangerous than drinking and driving and that is not under any dispute anywhere in the world.

[JCauto]

2 hours ago, hotchilli said:

To be fair I never had any issue with this being produced and used in a medicinal way.. as it was supposed to be originally.

However it now seems you can buy it on any street corner/shop/outlet/online and even restaurants selling it within food.

This has gone too far.. and become the usual free-for-all.

 

 

Indeed! And the terrible harm that it has done! Oh, um, er, uh, yes, about that...there isn't any. Why haven't you got any statistics or arguments about why "this has gone too far...and become the usual free-for-all". 

Wouldn't you say addressing things such as, oh, massive uncontrolled corruption among the ruling classes, the complete lack of democracy and ability of the population to elect their own government, the unbelievable amount of prostitution and human trafficking, the large number of guns and shootings (often in combination with alcohol) and the amount of drinking and driving accidents, injuries and death are a bit ahead in the queue than this terrible scourge of people wandering around smiling with the munchies?

[Sakeopete]

3 hours ago, IamNoone88 said:

Personally, I don't touch the stuff. But my view is that the pendulum swung way too far to the left and into a full on free for all uncontrolled territory. That simply has potential repercussions at a minimum socially and economically. Medical use ... no problem. Smoking a bunch of high THC content joints and jumping into your 3.0L pickup and driving at 100kph .... nope. There needs to be balance and they are not there yet.

Obviously you have never smoked pot. Stoned people don't get in pickups and drive at high speed. Drunks do that, high people are the opposite they drive too slow on their way to the nearest fast food restaurant to satisfy the munchies, then fall asleep. Marijuana also doesn't make people violent like some drunks get, they are way too chill for that, scoffing down food is their goal.

Edited November 22, 2022 by Sakeopete

[beldin]

Noone has evry smoked three high THC joints and drove away at 120kph more likely 12 kph

[DontDoubtMe]

So I guess they will have to put everyone back in prison that they released for marijuana offenses also?

 

Lol

 

Alcohol and cigarettes are ok though....

 

 

 

 

[ftpjtm]

3 hours ago, DaiHard said:

Will he also clarify why Thailand is negatively impacted whereas The Netherlands, Portugal, Canada and large parts of the US are immune?

Apparently Canadains aren't immune to the health risks.

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/smoking-marijuana-harmful-lungs-smoking-cigarettes-study-finds/story?id=93283206

 

[2baht]

3 hours ago, hotchilli said:

To be fair I never had any issue with this being produced and used in a medicinal way.. as it was supposed to be originally.

However it now seems you can buy it on any street corner/shop/outlet/online and even restaurants selling it within food.

This has gone too far.. and become the usual free-for-all.

 

 

What a wonderful culture we have embraced! ????

[CLW]

5 hours ago, nobodysfriend said:

Even " Move Forward Party " ... I did not expect them to be against the legalization ... anyway , that is a list of political parties NOT to vote for .

I was wondering that too. How can he (one individual member) give his opinion like that? Aren't party MPs bound to their political parties direction? Unless they speak for themselves in private in private matters, not public lawsuits.

[CLW]

3 hours ago, tomacht8 said:

It's annoying, this constant back and forth, non-stop ambiguity and legal instability. The general approach to decriminalizing hemp makes sense. Ultimately, the user only harms himself, just like with the legal consumption of alcohol, cigarettes, junk food or sugary drinks. The only thing missing here is a clear legal basis that forms a framework for the freedom to consume hemp. It's a pity that some politicians and interest groups want to create a medieval situation again, which ultimately wants to patronize and enslave society.

And yet they're wondering why no international big player from the US and Canadian cannabis industry hasn't invested in Thailand yet. Because they want long term security not Thai flip flop style

[NoshowJones]

9 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

any way to suppport Anutin us farangs can help with?

How would Farangs want to show any support to an unelected government official who says we are dirty and don't shower?

[TingTonger]

6 hours ago, ChrisY1 said:

Is the plant that Anutin is smelling, in the Pattaya canabis shop that just got robbed?

2 joints was the robbery Inspector Closseu 

[bradiston]

4 hours ago, kingstonkid said:

There are a couple of issues with the leagalization.  

 

Reading on here and the news the legalization was supposed to be for medical reasons which is not a huge issue.  I am aware and support CBD if used in medical issues.

 

The problem was that anutin and the PPP removed it and left it to the wild wild west style of action.

 

If this had been done properly and the medical community had had their input and were listened to.

If when it was legalized, it was legalized with the rules in place.

 

Imagine if they had opened up the toll way to motorcycles. 

 

Fact that Anutin was seen as a great thing, and most people at first thought did not care.  The problem was that there was not rules and we ended up with everyone and anyone selling the product and no control.

 

Remember, this is the same Anutin that said everyone should wear masks and got upset and said that Farang should not be allowed in the country

 

The solution is simple and is somewhere else.  

I think that the lawsuit is what is felt to be the best tool to get Anutin and his people off their assets and start taking the action that they want.

 

As to many people being upset, I think there are more people upset with the way it was opened than those trying to benefit from it.

 

 

 

I don't see any protests from the public. Why on earth would there be? If you want to get stoned, get stoned. If you want to get drunk, get drunk. Live and let live. I really don't think it's a big issue for millions of Thais. Maybe for the rightist, royxxxst, dyed in the wool conservatives, yes, but that's because they like to control people, and maintain power. Allowing people the freedom of choice to smoke weed, or not? That's taking democracy too far for some, to quote W.C. Fields.

[kingstonkid]

9 minutes ago, bradiston said:

I don't see any protests from the public. Why on earth would there be? If you want to get stoned, get stoned. If you want to get drunk, get drunk. Live and let live. I really don't think it's a big issue for millions of Thais. Maybe for the rightist, royxxxst, dyed in the wool conservatives, yes, but that's because they like to control people, and maintain power. Allowing people the freedom of choice to smoke weed, or not? That's taking democracy too far for some, to quote W.C. Fields.

There has to rule Even in countries where it is legal, there are still rules about the sale.  

 

Also, it is a taxable sale in countries where it is legal.

The catch to all this is that there were no restrictions put on the sale and there was no set agreement it seems that the people that wanted it legalized had set parameters.

 

Anutin in his stupidity and following along with all the great things he did with covid just said to hell with it lets take it off the books and let anyone sell, smoke, grow and harvest,

 

YOu can not do that there need to be rules on where how, and who can sell.  Not only to limit the sale but also to ensure the quality of the product.

 

The last thing any country needs is someone selling <deleted> pot or pot with a kick. because something else is in it.

 

I can remember buying what I thought was good stuff only to find that it was twigs and <deleted>.  also with the level of THC these days there needs to be a control.

 

Thailand has enough trouble with drunk farang that it really does not need to deal with the pot head-stoned farang

 

Again I am not against legal medical use I am just against some kid sitting on the side of the street selling it to whoever wants to buy not knowing what they are buying.

 

 

 

 

 

[bradiston]

15 minutes ago, kingstonkid said:

There has to rule Even in countries where it is legal, there are still rules about the sale.  

 

Also, it is a taxable sale in countries where it is legal.

The catch to all this is that there were no restrictions put on the sale and there was no set agreement it seems that the people that wanted it legalized had set parameters.

 

Anutin in his stupidity and following along with all the great things he did with covid just said to hell with it lets take it off the books and let anyone sell, smoke, grow and harvest,

 

YOu can not do that there need to be rules on where how, and who can sell.  Not only to limit the sale but also to ensure the quality of the product.

 

The last thing any country needs is someone selling <deleted> pot or pot with a kick. because something else is in it.

 

I can remember buying what I thought was good stuff only to find that it was twigs and <deleted>.  also with the level of THC these days there needs to be a control.

 

Thailand has enough trouble with drunk farang that it really does not need to deal with the pot head-stoned farang

 

Again I am not against legal medical use I am just against some kid sitting on the side of the street selling it to whoever wants to buy not knowing what they are buying.

 

 

 

 

 

But that's half the point of legalising it. You can control the legal cultivation, distribution and use. Buying from a licensed premises is surely better than street legal. I've bought potcheen in the sticks, laced with horse tranquilliser. Sure, gave all colours a deep glow, but kidney failure was just around the corner. If the liberalisation, I wouldn't say legalisation as there seem to be all sorts of questions as to what that really means, had been done in any other way it just wouldn't have happened. Endless committees, sub committees, enquiries, studies... You know what I'm talking about. It would have all been shelved as too problematic and difficult. Anutin took the plunge and jumped in the deep end. Kudos to that man. I say. Ok. Now look at regulating the various aspects of its legalisation.

[BritManToo]

28 minutes ago, kingstonkid said:

Thailand has enough trouble with drunk farang that it really does not need to deal with the pot head-stoned farang

Why the anti-white racism?

This isn't about white foreigners, this is about Thais.

[ozimoron]

Just now, BritManToo said:

Why the anti-white racism?

This isn't about white foreigners, this is about Thais.

Are Farangs white now?

[HappyExpat57]

6 hours ago, alyx said:

Well, if both hands hold the flashlight and the eyes follow a circular movement,  they could not be blamed for not spotting it, couldn't they ?

I think you put WAY too much effort into that thought! ????

[alyx]

1 hour ago, HappyExpat57 said:

I think you put WAY too much effort into that thought! ????

I am a natural 555

[ttrd]

14 hours ago, 2baht said:

Dinosaurs just don't understand!

The Thai edition of Muppet show never disappoints ....