Is it really possible to be here with 6 years overstay

[DrJack54]

2 minutes ago, proton said:

I despise over stayers and those with illegal extensions, just makes it harder for the rest of us doing things legally and respecting the law. I would report anyone breaking the law by overstaying for years, up to me.

I'm on annual extensions retirement using money in bank method.

If folk use agents or overstay or whatever effects me ZERO. 

Yes up to you. 

Fact is you stated would "dob" overstayer in. 

Sad 

[d4dang]

5 hours ago, Lucky Bones said:

Agreed.

It's all just a matter of applying oneself.????????

I met a guy before covid at the Cambo border escorted by an off duty Immi officer who was almost over 10 years over. I was on the bus from Bahn Rai Coffee at Ekamai. He didn't leave Thailand  and was back in the Immi guy's  car and left while we were still in line. I didn't ask how much the donation  was.

[proton]

33 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

I'm on annual extensions retirement using money in bank method.

If folk use agents or overstay or whatever effects me ZERO. 

Yes up to you. 

Fact is you stated would "dob" overstayer in. 

Sad 

It has affected us as they made us keep the cash longer in the bank to try and stop the fraudsters, obviously it did not work. Nothing sad about getting rid of people who have no right to be here.

[bobandyson]

7 hours ago, Mino said:

in his little town, he has a guy with 6 years overstay. Is that really possible that someone can "hide" here with a huge overstay? 

The overstayer is an amateur. If he wants to 'hide' successfully he shouldn't have told your mate, who, in turn told you. And now you've told us.

If I had to go on overstay for whatever reason, I'm not really sure if I'd even tell my wife. 

 

7 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

Not sure what the record is but my guess longer than 6yrs.

We may never know who holds the record. It's like asking who is the world's best spy. No one knows because he hasn't been caught yet.

????

 

[tomazbodner]

What happens if he falls badly sick and needs hospital?

[thaibeachlovers]

10 hours ago, proton said:

If you have no respect for the law and are stupid or desperate enough yes, he will get caught out eventually

Indeed. Eventually he'll get sick or have an accident and have to go to a proper hospital. Then he's for immigration detention and a flight home.

I wonder what happens to the people that enable him to overstay.

Edited December 17, 2022 by thaibeachlovers

[thaibeachlovers]

5 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

I'm on annual extensions retirement using money in bank method.

If folk use agents or overstay or whatever effects me ZERO. 

Yes up to you. 

Fact is you stated would "dob" overstayer in. 

Sad 

You support criminals then?

Overstayers make it harder for everyone going the legal route.

[Onerak]

57 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Overstayers make it harder for everyone going the legal route.

How is overstayers making it harder for others? 

[jts-khorat]

10 hours ago, BE88 said:

Living without going out in a small town in Issan is like feeling in confined prison, did he tell you why he doesn't renew his visa?

Maybe he is happy with a simple life in Isaan. Millions of Thais are.

[Gottfrid]

11 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

What would you do if you had already a year or two overstay and you want to stay in Thailand, i.e. because of your family. I think with that overstay there is no legal way to stay here or even go away and return sometime soon.

So I guess some guys just stay and hope for the best.

Sure, but then comes the intelligent question. How can one be so stupid, to start a relationship and a family knowing that one can´t really take the responsibility that follows such decision?

[daveAustin]

7 hours ago, proton said:

I despise over stayers and those with illegal extensions, just makes it harder for the rest of us doing things legally and respecting the law. I would report anyone breaking the law by overstaying for years, up to me.

I get that and it is annoying when one goes by the book while others take the mick. Grassing people though…. dunno about that. 

[daveAustin]

13 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

Yes.

Not sure what the record is but my guess longer than 6yrs.

Might be dreaming but semi-recall some dude overstaying like 20 years. 

[Will27]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You support criminals then?

Overstayers make it harder for everyone going the legal route.

Not grassing someone up doesn't mean you support criminals.

[JayClay]

13 hours ago, 1FinickyOne said:

I had a friend who never extended unless he wanted to leave and then just paid the 20k.. he rarely left in the course of 20+ yrs. 

How did he deal with the blacklistings?

 

1 hour ago, Gottfrid said:

Sure, but then comes the intelligent question. How can one be so stupid, to start a relationship and a family knowing that one can´t really take the responsibility that follows such decision?

Presumably they start the family before they let themselves fall into the overstay trap.

[Resident Alien]

14 hours ago, Mino said:

Is that really possible that someone can "hide" here with a huge overstay? 

Sure.

Nobody on the street ever asked me to show my visa/status here this century.

 

But he can be in trouble when he ever has a disagreement with one of the people in his town.

They can report him to the police who might surprise him with a visit.

[Will27]

8 minutes ago, JayClay said:

How did he deal with the blacklistings?

 

Presumably they start the family before they let themselves fall into the overstay trap.

Before the new rules, it was only a 20 000 Baht fine for overstaying.

[AhFarangJa]

13 hours ago, proton said:

what do they do when the passport runs out as well?

A German friend of mine was caught on overstay a couple of years back. He was unfortunate to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, and was initially charged with working without a permit. However, it transpired that his passport had expired 5 years previously. He did not renew it as he was apparently wanted in Germany on fraud charges.

[Orinoco]

Snitching to immigration.

Not nice behavior. 

 

 

 

Edited December 18, 2022 by Orinoco

[patongphil]

10 hours ago, proton said:

Rather me than him, personally I would report him

I bet you were Class Monitor at School

[Thomas KH]

If you keep a low profile, live a regimental saint-like life and stay buddy buddy with the gf's family and extended family, then there's a chance of overstaying without ever being caught. Having good relations with equally low profile locals is crucial for that roof over one's head without visa checks. Having a safe hideout or hidey-hole, in other words.

 

Living in a rural area helps greatly as it is far less likely to be frequented by pesky face-recognizing BMWs. Making an effort to learn the language is definitely on that to-do checklist. Being tech savvy earns you brownie points as it gives you access to forums like this, a rich source of info about other overstayers' experiences and the strategies they used to stay one step ahead of the BIB.

 

And money. If you have it and manage it wisely, then, true to Frank Sinatra's words, you're definitely gonna make it all the way.

 

[BananaStrong]

14 hours ago, Mino said:

Yes. My friend told me he never moved from the small town for years. 

Is this harboring a fugitive?    Bro, I’m not saying I’m special forces task force capture falangs, but I’m not saying I’m not. Meet him, friends, don’t tell authorities…..

Edited December 18, 2022 by BananaStrong

[Mino]

1 hour ago, AhFarangJa said:

A German friend of mine was caught on overstay a couple of years back. He was unfortunate to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, and was initially charged with working without a permit. However, it transpired that his passport had expired 5 years previously. He did not renew it as he was apparently wanted in Germany on fraud charges.

Same story with a mutual friend: back few years he was working for a new resort in Surin and the owner <deleted> off someone: this guy called the IO and they catch him without a work permit and, once at IO, they found he was also in, I think, 9 months overstay. But....few hours and walk out the office. Now back to his country.

[Lucky Bones]

3 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

Sure, but then comes the intelligent question. How can one be so stupid, to start a relationship and a family knowing that one can´t really take the responsibility that follows such decision?

Seemed like a good idea at the time?????????

[1FinickyOne]

1 hour ago, JayClay said:

How did he deal with the blacklistings?

They didn't have black listing back then... it was before sticky rice was invented. 

[Gottfrid]

2 hours ago, Lucky Bones said:

Seemed like a good idea at the time?????????

Only in a sick mind, because a healthy would understand that equation is impossible.

[Gottfrid]

3 hours ago, JayClay said:

How did he deal with the blacklistings?

 

Presumably they start the family before they let themselves fall into the overstay trap.

If you start a family anywhere, you must be secure enough, to know that you can stay and support as well as take responsibility for your actions. 

Your comment is total garbage! Presumably???? And if you start a family, why in the world would you let yourself fall into an overstay trap, as you seem to call it?

Edited December 18, 2022 by Gottfrid

[jts-khorat]

5 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

If you start a family anywhere, you must be secure enough, to know that you can stay and support as well as take responsibility for your actions.

Not always does life follow the initial plan. If it would, I would be sitting in my pool villa jacuzzi overlooking a nice beach, right now.

 

What I would never do is begrudge somebody a silent, peaceful existence somewhere, presumably still contributing to the well-being of his family or community in whatever limited manner, simply by being there.

 

As Thailand has little social services this guy could possibly leach off, who could he even harm?

 

I might take a different stance, if this person would be an underworld baron living off his ill-gotten riches, or some other kind of serious criminal. But then we would likely not be talking about a guy in some village in Isaan, no?

[Gottfrid]

45 minutes ago, jts-khorat said:

Not always does life follow the initial plan. If it would, I would be sitting in my pool villa jacuzzi overlooking a nice beach, right now.

 

What I would never do is begrudge somebody a silent, peaceful existence somewhere, presumably still contributing to the well-being of his family or community in whatever limited manner, simply by being there.

 

As Thailand has little social services this guy could possibly leach off, who could he even harm?

 

I might take a different stance, if this person would be an underworld baron living off his ill-gotten riches, or some other kind of serious criminal. But then we would likely not be talking about a guy in some village in Isaan, no?

So, in short. Responsibility is not for you. 

[BananaStrong]

47 minutes ago, jts-khorat said:

underworld baron living off his ill-gotten riches

You can find the mafia in Phuket and Pattaya.  In this case, you would report them?   555555555555

 

report him, and may karma give you super Pattaya aids for all eternity.

[BritTim]

When the Thai authorities announced that, starting on a specific date, there would be blacklisting penalties for those on overstay, there were multiple accounts of people leaving to become legal (and returning) with over 20 year overstays (I think the most was 28 years).

 

I believe it is more difficult now than in the past. Unlike most here, I think living in a remote area makes you more likely to be caught. As a foreigner in such a village, you stand out like a sore thumb, and officialdom will almost certainly become aware of your existence. If you are well liked by the locals, officials knowing you are not quite legal might leave you alone, but this is less likely than in the past. Of course, the payment of bribes might buy leniency. On the other hand, if you are in a small, cheap apartment in an anonymous area of Bangkok, it is very possible that no one will take any notice of you for decades. There are raids done occasionally looking for Burmese and Cambodians, but Westerners are usually only at risk in large apartment buildings where the authorities carry out checks on every room.