Brexit has cracked Britain’s economic foundations

[VocalNeal]

Democracy only works if the losers accept they have lost.

[roquefort]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

No it doesn’t.

Oh yes it does (is this a Christmas pantomime?)

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, Bluespunk said:

A:that had nothing to do with the EU. 
 

B: you can still get milk delivered to your door if a dairy is willing to do it. 
 

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/11/milk-floats-ride-to-the-rescue-of-locked-down-british-households

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-29327881.amp

Only available in strong leave areas.

[nauseus]

57 minutes ago, bob smith said:

what absolute twoddle. 

Not quite accurate but certainly not twaddle,

[Bluespunk]

3 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Only available in strong leave areas.

Link to back that up. 
 

And still does not detract from the fact that the claim made was false. 

[nauseus]

7 minutes ago, roquefort said:

Oh yes it does (is this a Christmas pantomime?)

24/7

[nauseus]

2 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Link to back that up. 
 

And still does not detract from the fact that the claim made was false. 

The links are already posted in the post I responded to...e.g. Peak District and Durham.

[Bluespunk]

13 minutes ago, nauseus said:

The links are already posted in the post I responded to...e.g. Peak District and Durham.

Please show that the only areas that still have milk deliveries are those that voted leave as you just claimed.
 

That means you must prove that no area that voted remain has milk deliveries. 

 

Provide a link proving this claim you made is 100% accurate. 
 

edit: by the way, I can show that milk deliveries are available for example throughout Scotland and London … areas where the remain vote was strong. 

[nauseus]

22 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Please show that the only areas that still have milk deliveries are those that voted leave as you just claimed.
 

That means you must prove that no area that voted remain has milk deliveries. 

 

Provide a link proving this claim you made is 100% accurate. 
 

edit: by the way, I can show that milk deliveries are available for example throughout Scotland and London … areas where the remain vote was strong. 

I must? 

[billd766]

3 hours ago, NeoDinosaw said:

I was one of those idiots ....... ????

 

So was I but my problem then and still is now is who determines what is the truth.

 

We had a referendum back in 1972 about joining the Common Market which is what it actually was back then.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_the_United_Kingdom_to_the_European_Communities

 

The Treaty of Accession 1972, which brought the United Kingdom into the European Communities, had already been met with opposition in the Parliament of the United Kingdom, notably from Labour's Peter Shore, who was Shadow Leader of the House of Commons at the time. He said:

"This is a treaty which carries the most formidable and far-reaching obligations. It is a treaty—the first in our history—which would deprive the British Parliament and people of democratic rights which they have exercised for many centuries. I can think of no treaty, to cite only one characteristic of the Rome Treaty, in which the British Parliament agree that the power to tax the British people should be handed over to another group, or countries, or people outside this country, and that they should have the right in perpetuity to levy taxes upon us and decide how the revenues of those taxes should be spent."[11]

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Economic_Community

 

This is what the UK signed up to join, making the UK the 7th member.

 

The Community's initial aim was to bring about economic integration, including a common market and customs union, among its six founding members: Belgium, France, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands and West Germany. It gained a common set of institutions along with the European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC) and the European Atomic Energy Community (EURATOM) as one of the European Communities under the 1965 Merger Treaty (Treaty of Brussels). 

 

 This is where the EU is today or at least at the time of the article.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union

 

After the creation by six states, 22 other states joined the union in 1973–2013. The United Kingdom became the only member state to leave the EU in 2020,[22] ten countries are aspiring or negotiating to join it.

 

IMHO it has become too big and too unwieldy, plus it is too costly for the richer nations supporting the poorer nation to sustain for ever. There are far too many bureaucrats and far too many opportunities for corruption as has been seen in the international news lately. 

 

Running the EU must be a bit like herding cats in the direction that YOU want them to go and they don't. 

 

As a Common Market which is what it was it worked very well, but as the Behemoth it has morphed into, it doesn't work that well at all.

 

Whilst I admit that the EU does have many good things going for it, I personally feel that it is too big for its boots.

 

One of its greatest failures, again IMHO, is illegal immigration which is out of all proportion to its original intent, where some countries in the EU refuse access to the illegals, even to the extent of barricading their countries from their neighbours, other countries refusing to allow the illegals to even land there, and yet other countries allowing the illegals (and in some countries aiding them) to go to 3rd and 4th countries.

[ozimoron]

59 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Many people do understand that they were tricked in the first place. 1972.

Somehow they didn't complain for 50 years.

[vinny41]

Central Government spends approximately £1 per head on R&D in the North East, while it spends £78 per head in the South East and £62 per head in the South West.

document published in 2003

https://www.ippr.org/files/images/media/files/publication/2011/05/A_new_regional_policy_for_the_UK_1292.pdf

 

Noticed as a result of the EU enlargement

will mean that after 2006 the poorer UK regions will cease to receive the same degree of EU Structural Funds on which they currently rely so heavily;

[RayC]

57 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:

Democracy only works if the losers accept they have lost.

Agreed but democracy will also only work if the 'victors' take responsibility and accountability for their actions.

[Bluespunk]

17 minutes ago, nauseus said:

I must? 

If you wish your post to be see as factual, credible and based on the truth, yes you must. 
 

However, I know you won’t, because you can’t.
 

I know that deliveries are available in areas that voted remain. 
 

Just as I know that being part of the eu was not  responsible for the decline in milk deliveries across the U.K.  

[nauseus]

23 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Somehow they didn't complain for 50 years.

But they did and with increasing volume.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, VocalNeal said:

Democracy only works if the losers accept they have lost.

I don’t know anyone who does not accept that ‘Leave’ won.

 

Regardless that is not the topic of discussion, and why would it be.

 

What is being discussed is the consequences of ‘Leave’ winning.

 

Consequences that are not acceptable to a growing number of people, which is almost certainly why Brexit supporters try so hard to deflect from discussion on the matter.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, superal said:

You speak about the UK inflation well how about this , the E.U. inflation is 11.1 % and 

the UK is 10.7% .  Also strikes within the public sector are not confined to the UK , they are across Europe , link below 

https://www.euronews.com/2022/12/16/workers-strike-across-europe-calling-for-higher-wages-amid-rising-inflation 

 Let us not forget among the main reasons the British public voted for Brexit . 

They were to rid the UK of masses of foreigners who were able to access the UK under the E.U ruling of free movement of workers , which resulted in unqualified cheap labour that undercut local Brits wages and putting them out of work with some losing their houses . Only parties to benefit were the business owners and construction companies made up from foreign labour . 

 

For the UK to be able to self rule and ditch the Brussels bureaucracy . 

 

I would still vote for Brexit today . The UK will reform to growth in the near future without the constraints of the dreaded non-elected Brussels crowd . Great to be free from the United States of Europe and the ambitions of Macron .

 

 

Jam tomorrow, warm sunlit uplands somewhere over the horizon.

 

 

[Scott Tracy]

2 hours ago, vinny41 said:

It would be interesting if the UK had a rotational parliament maybe London and Sunderland similar to the EU with  Strasbourg and Brussels

Same people, no difference, just more expense and this was to mollify the French...

 

You think parliament relocating twice yearly would make a difference to what was decided?

[Aussieroaming]

Exit the EU without plans, procedures or new economic partners in place and its a dismal failure. However ask the instigators of Brexit and they will gloss over the devastated economy and pretend that some "minor" economic pain was inevitable whilst the new partnerships bedded in.

 

The British economy is headed towards a Greek like fall from grace, which will take years to recover from.

 

Who will suffer during this time? Not the politicians who are mainly silver Spooner, it will be the average Brits who are working hard on minimum wage and slowly starving to death while the politicians line their own pockets.

[vinny41]

22 minutes ago, Scott Tracy said:

Same people, no difference, just more expense and this was to mollify the French...

 

You think parliament relocating twice yearly would make a difference to what was decided?

If it was London spring and summer and Sunderland autum winter it might as I can't see the hoards of London lobbyist's doing 6 months in Sunderland

[George FmplesdaCosteedback]

Left wing nonsense. Take a look at the EU, is not in any better state, did Brexit do that too!

[Jumbo1968]

The right wing media are saying brexit was a good idea, how long will they take to start saying it was a huge mistake ?

[Kwasaki]

9 minutes ago, Jumbo1968 said:

The right wing media are saying brexit was a good idea, how long will they take to start saying it was a huge mistake ?

Because at sometime things will reported different in the future, there's just a few little things to get out of the way.

Do you think the EU is way better of at the moment.? 

[Muhendis]

1 minute ago, Kwasaki said:

Because at sometime things will reported different in the future, there's just a few little things to get out of the way.

Do you think the EU is way better of at the moment.? 

Whether the EU is better off or not is not the point. Many wonderful new changes were promised some years ago but very little has happened. 

What exactly have these dreaming politicians been doing all these years?

[hotandsticky]

1 minute ago, Muhendis said:

 

What exactly have these dreaming politicians been doing all these years?

 

 

 

Dreaming.

 

 

That's my guess.

[hotandsticky]

6 hours ago, VocalNeal said:

Democracy only works if the losers accept they have lost.

 

 

That just about sums it up in a nutshell.

[Kwasaki]

4 minutes ago, Muhendis said:

Whether the EU is better off or not is not the point. Many wonderful new changes were promised some years ago but very little has happened. 

What exactly have these dreaming politicians been doing all these years?

Dealing with an EU that was going to make as difficult as possible to leave EU,  covid and Ukraine war just to point out a few, do you live in a bubble. 

[Jumbo1968]

5 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Dealing with an EU that was going to make as difficult as possible to leave EU,  covid and Ukraine war just to point out a few, do you live in a bubble. 

If there was no Covid or Ukraine conflict the issues with brexit would have been revealed before, both provided a smokescreen. 

[Kwasaki]

Just now, Jumbo1968 said:

If there was no Covid or Ukraine conflict the issues with brexit would have been revealed before, both provided a smokescreen. 

 

1 minute ago, Jumbo1968 said:

If there was no Covid or Ukraine conflict the issues with brexit would have been revealed before, both provided a smokescreen. 

Fair call but what makes you think uk would still be in the same situation. 

[RichardColeman]

CNN is a left leaning organisation. Which says more than you need to know and should be heeded about as much as a staunch democrat reading a Fox news anti Biden story

 

I fully support Brexit. 

 

I am not saying that the uK is not flailing about  a little. BUT, by the time they fully worked out Brexit we had 3 years of covid, followed by a world wide recession. Many issues may well have been different with covid and recessions in the world