Proof of Covid vaccines will be required again for ALL arrivals to Thailand

[Salerno]

4 minutes ago, Salerno said:

Re the above, no idea where it was posted on here, can't find it

And now I have 555

 

 

[ozimoron]

37 minutes ago, BusyB said:

Totally unlike all those idiots who got vaccinated. None of whom is capable of doing their own research, and all of whom are a mindless herd that just takes orders.

 

You can tell by the text and tenor of these ''anti-vax'' posts, and listening to  them being interviewed at their ''protests'' on TV, that the originators are of a spoiled generation who have never known serious deprivation or disease, and who have never in their lives genuinely faced off against authorities which can seriously compromise their lives and livelihoods and are willing to do so.

 

Most of their ''leaders'' disappear out of their respective countries when the heat mounts over their ignorant, damaging rants and lies. Like the vegan cook in Germany who obviously knows more about virology than the Robert Koch Institute, and has put even more ''research'' into the subject than its scientists and doctors. He's been hiding in Turkey since just before his arrest. No guts even to face off against the relatively cushy German justice system. 

 

They make me wanna projectile puke.

 

 

That's the mistake anti-vaxxers make. Projection. They accuse everyone who isn't deluded by the anti vax political campaign of being sheeple who don't "do their own research". The opposite is true. Many of those did their own research, enough to understand that the smart move is to get vaccinated. On the other hand, the kool aid drinkers think that doing their own research means ignoring science and expert advice in favour of conspiracy theories and pseudoscience. It truly amazing.

[ozimoron]

I wonder if non-O applicants on expiration of a visa waiver are required to show insurance for the full year? And then each year they extend the visa? If they get an exit permit, do they need to take out insurance for the remainder of their visa before returning?

[Bkk Brian]

7 hours ago, canuckamuck said:

I was heading out next week to see my parents, who are old and not well. I had to wait two years for the BS vax restrictions to be removed. I could have gone before Christmas, but I had some things to take care of here first. Now I will have to cancel my flights and possibly never see them again.

 

If its at the point you'd rather not have a vaccine and miss the opportunity to see your parents for the last time then that's your choice and shows where your priorities are at.

[Rimmer]

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[VBF]

7 hours ago, Eleftheros said:

Because some people do not belong to the herd mentality.

 

There are still some people who are capable of doing their own research, and coming to their own conclusions about whether the risk/benefit of the Covid "vaccines" makes any sense for them, rather than blindly accepting everything the Government tells them.

 

Of course they will suffer in terms of travel restrictions; Governments promote and encourage the herd mentality, as it makes people easier to control.

 

Like Novak Djokovic, those people who have decided against vaccination are prepared to put up with the inconveniences of not submitting to Government diktat, especially as it is clear that the restrictions make no sense in health terms.

If these people REALLY did their own research (as I have) they would realise that the case FOR being vaccinated is simply overwhelming in terms of health and freedom of movement. There is just NO downside.

 

It could be said that the "anti-vaxxers" are just another herd to follow.

 

But....as is often said in Thailand....up to you!  (But be prepared to live with the consequences of your decision)

[BusyB]

17 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

That's the mistake anti-vaxxers make. Projection. They accuse everyone who isn't deluded by the anti vax political campaign of being sheeple who don't "do their own research". The opposite is true. Many of those did their own research, enough to understand that the smart move is to get vaccinated. On the other hand, the kool aid drinkers think that doing their own research means ignoring science and expert advice in favour of conspiracy theories and pseudoscience. It truly amazing.

It makes them feel like they belong to a select few who've 'seen the Matrix', which compensates for their very real feelings of impotence and helplessness in a threatening world. Bit like religion. Some very unpleasant people know exactly how to coral those affected.

Must go now, gotta drink my daily shot of children's blood. Hillary said it's good for me.

[BusyB]

1 minute ago, VBF said:

If these people REALLY did their own research (as I have) they would realise that the case FOR being vaccinated is simply overwhelming in terms of health and freedom of movement. There is just NO downside.

 

It could be said that the "anti-vaxxers" are just another herd to follow.

 

But....as is often said in Thailand....up to you!  (But be prepared to live with the consequences of your decision)

Most of these people as evidenced in nearly all their statements have serious problems with adult terms like 'consequences'.

[BritScot]

17 hours ago, nigelforbes said:

That 1 in 800 figures represents mostly unvaccinated people in the US who died.

 

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status?country=~50%2B

Nope. It is recently released vax injuries/death in the uk. They are .Gov figures. A system used to report injuries "Yellow Card" the in 800 yellow cards issued is more than all other medications added together yet the silence is deafening (I believe us figures are the same other countries figures are similar). It is also estimated that yellow card reporting is only 10%. My wife was one, my cousin more serious "lost use of his arm". I was lucky as it never effected me but I also caught covid after getting the vax as did my wife who through her job got every vax going. Her covid was much worse than me but still was just like a normal cold. 

[JTXR]

Actually, it's probably the best they could do, given the current realities, rather than tick off the Chinese by having requirements only for them.  Making the requirements for everyone shows the Chinese they're not being singled out.

 

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, BritScot said:

Nope. It is recently released vax injuries/death in the uk. They are .Gov figures. A system used to report injuries "Yellow Card" the in 800 yellow cards issued is more than all other medications added together yet the silence is deafening (I believe us figures are the same other countries figures are similar). It is also estimated that yellow card reporting is only 10%. My wife was one, my cousin more serious "lost use of his arm". I was lucky as it never effected me but I also caught covid after getting the vax as did my wife who through her job got every vax going. Her covid was much worse than me but still was just like a normal cold. 

Lucky you had the vax then otherwise it could have been much worse.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, BritScot said:

It's the medical injury reporting system used in the uk. It's also estimated at only picking up 10% so the injury figures are obviously much higher. The Yellow Card figures have just been released. There is now more and more data coming out, figures that are so shocking they no longer can be ignored. In the uk we had a vax debate in parliament (very interesting) and what shocked me was only half a dozen MP's bothered to turn up. 

I suggest you read it rather than relying on second hand accounts. 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting

https://yellowcard.mhra.gov.uk/

[persimmon]

51 minutes ago, Spilornis said:

Rules have just been published...

 

"

1. Passengers over 18 years old are required to present vaccination certificate or a letter from a doctor certifying that they have recovered from COVID-19 no longer than 6 months (180 days).

 

2. Passengers coming from countries with measures to prevent people infected with COVID from returning to the country must have health insurance covering COVID treatment throughout the duration of the trip in Thailand. Expats with Thai social security are exempt.

 

3. Passengers holding Thai passports are exempt from having documents checked for vaccination and health insurance.

4. Passengers who are in transit are exempt from checking vaccination documents and health insurance documents.

 

5. The airline must check the documents as mentioned. If the Passenger is unable to present these documents, the carrier should refuse the passenger to board.

 

6. Airlines must adhere to relevant requirements and follow guidelines as appropriate, such as asking passengers to wear masks throughout the journey. Except during the meal or in an emergency.

 

7. Passengers with symptoms of COVID-19 during the journey will be advised to undergo a test upon arrival at their destination.

 

This will start from 9th January at 1:00 a.m. until 31 January 31 at 4:59 p.m."

 

# 1 . I`m hoping that 6 months limit is for recovery from Covid , not a time limit on when people were vaccinated .

[redwood1]

If I fly to the USA and fly back to Thailand do I need insurance or not?....I am not clear...

 

 

2. Passengers coming from countries with measures to prevent people infected with COVID from returning to the country must have health insurance covering COVID treatment throughout the duration of the trip in Thailand. Expats with Thai social security are exempt.

[JTXR]

2 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Sometimes personal integrity is more important that succumbing to governmental demands. I got 3 vaccines but no more, as I know the truth now. 

So what is the truth you now know?

[Rimmer]

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[anchadian]

My bold type

 

Information about new entry requirements starting on Monday were released by the Civil Aviation Authority of Thailand and so are only for airlines arriving at international airports. We are waiting for a different government department to give rules about land borders.

https://twitter.com/RichardBarrow/status/1611623304737230849

 

[GroveHillWanderer]

3 hours ago, Salerno said:

There was a post on here earlier today, with a graphic of the new rules coming into affect from 9 Jan.

Then I stand corrected.

[Salerno]

1 minute ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

Then I stand corrected.

No need to stand, please remain seated 555

Wouldn't put it as "corrected" either, fairly quickly moving issue.

[rattlesnake]

9 minutes ago, ukrules said:

Yes

 

The news headlines will start piling up when people who are completely unaware turn up at the airport for their flights from Monday and are turned away - likely even if they're 'fully vaccinated'.

 

Why would that happen? Because when they booked the flight they would have been aware that there are no longer any restrictions so they didn't seek out vaccination proof certificates which may or may not be easily available.

 

It's going to be mayhem at the airports next week, I expect backpedalling and very quickly.

Likewise.

[WhatsNext]

4 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Here's some science LOL

As usual, don't just read the headline : "While the incidence of COVID infection was higher in vaccine recipients (6.7 percent) than in individuals previously infected (2.9 percent)," , so the vaccinated had a 2,2x higher risk of getting covid including all the risks that go with it....  But hey that would be reading and understanding and that takes time.

[ozimoron]

Just now, WhatsNext said:

As usual, don't just read the headline : "While the incidence of COVID infection was higher in vaccine recipients (6.7 percent) than in individuals previously infected (2.9 percent)," , so the vaccinated had a 2,2x higher risk of getting covid. But hey that would be reading and understanding and that takes time.

The important part is serious illness. Infections are of little import.

[WhatsNext]

Just now, ozimoron said:

The important part is serious illness. Infections are of little import.

Well you also get 2,2x more risks of serious illness than the not vaccinated ones, while the all cause admissions and death were only 37% lower,

So 220% increase of infections against an only 37% increase in risk... see where this is going. It's a biased article from a journalist that can't use a calculator. 

[ozimoron]

Just now, WhatsNext said:

Well you also get 2,2x more risks of serious illness than the not vaccinated ones, while the all cause admissions and death were only 37% lower,

So 220% increase of infections against an only 37% increase in risk... see where this is going. It's a biased article from a journalist that can't use a calculator. 

It's an article from an educational institution. No, more infections does not translate into more serious infections, that's a non sequitur.

[kwilco]

13 hours ago, VBF said:

I know this will upset a few but WHY?????? Why the **** didn't they get vaccinated well ahead of making travel plans...like a year or 2 ago?

I fail to see why people don't get vaxxed against Covid...I bet these same people had several vaccinations as children, proving perhaps, that their parents were brighter than they are! 

Actually the "why" is secondary.

,Because of the total relaxation of restrictions many people will have booked and not factored the need for proof of vaccine into their travel plans.

 

I agree that people who didn't get vaccinated are usually making a bad decision although some people couldn't get vaccinated for medical reasons.

The point is that NOW after a long period the Thai government has reversed this decision at short notice and the effects of this seem a bit draconian.

It doesn't just mean those who are unvaxed are affected.

 

We are talking about people who booked their holidays some time ago thinking that they didn't need proof of vaccine.

Whereas this includes some who are unvaccinated, it also includes members of groups already booked who can no longer go with there friends.

It may also be difficult for some to find prove, depending on the country, it may also mean that people will either have to check insurance and unexpectedly pay for extra cover.

It also affects people with "respiratory diseases" of any kind - whether flu or other viruses and may have a cough or similar - they may be refused entry or have to postpone.

It also means a lot of people for many reasons will be less happy about coming to Thailand.

 

[ukrules]

7 minutes ago, kwilco said:

We are talking about people who booked their holidays some time ago thinking that they didn't need proof of vaccine.

Whereas this includes some who are unvaccinated, it also includes members of groups already booked who can no longer go with there friends.

 

There's also going to be people who don't have any documentation whatsoever yet are 'fully vaccinated' and boosted multiple times like my parents.

 

They have no special document to prove this vaccination and if they were flying to Bangkok next week they still wouldn't have any special document to prove it because until a few hours ago it wasn't needed - what exactly do the airline want to see?

 

Will the airlines be spending the weekend phoning everyone booked on each flight and telling them to get some kind of certificate from the NHS?

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, ukrules said:

 

There's also going to be people who don't have any documentation whatsoever yet are 'fully vaccinated' and boosted multiple times like my parents.

 

They have no special document to prove this vaccination and if they were flying to Bangkok next week they still wouldn't have any special document to prove it because until a few hours ago it wasn't needed - what exactly do the airline want to see?

 

Will the airlines be spending the weekend phoning everyone booked on each flight and telling them to get some kind of certificate from the NHS?

Tell us how they can't get that certification online and on demand.

[Taboo2]

Regarding the mask requirement, I am happy to see the term "should".  I refuse to wear that stupid mask again.  Only where it is mandatory in this country.  Enough! 

 

 

[ukrules]

9 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Tell us how they can't get that certification online and on demand.

Tell me how you can get it at the check in desk in all the different countries around the world where the flights originate from.

 

I know my parents don't have a login for the NHS, what they have is a little piece of cardboard which has a stamp on it from their first two vaccine shots - nothing more than that. Not even anything extra for the boosters.

 

 

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, ukrules said:

Tell me how you can get it at the check in desk in all the different countries around the world where the flights originate from.

 

I know my parents don't have a login for the NHS, what they have is a little piece of cardboard which has a stamp on it from their first two vaccine shots - nothing more than that. Not even anything extra for the boosters.

Why would they wait that long? Your parents can readily get someone from the NHS to help them if they are incapable of doing it themselves. They sure could in my country, I know that for a fact.