Gunman Surrenders for Murdering British Ex-pat in Pattaya Area, Blames Road Rage

[ross163103]

A little "jai yen yen" from both parties might have prevented this outcome. I learned many years ago in Asia--and particularly Thailand, about keeping calm and not letting anger into situations, plus there's the loss of face issue over here, which is very prevalent. I realize everyone's different and handle situations differently, but beware of angry Thai males, most have short fuses, and they don't forget either I learned. 

[The Theory]

1 hour ago, Boyn said:

We live in a country with a lot of very crazy people so beware.

 

That is sadly true. We see those crazies in every night news. Interesting is all crazies are armed and apologies after their crime to get away with. It seems this is the way and works. 

[riclag]

To be fair he should be extradited to England for a proper  indictment and trial! 

Thai justice is very suspect imop

The courts here don’t seem to hand out life sentences especially after a convicted citizen shows remorse  ! Imop

Rip sir 

 

 

Edited January 9, 2023 by riclag

[Harsh Jones]

3 hours ago, ross163103 said:

A little "jai yen yen" from both parties might have prevented this outcome. I learned many years ago in Asia--and particularly Thailand, about keeping calm and not letting anger into situations, plus there's the loss of face issue over here, which is very prevalent. I realize everyone's different and handle situations differently, but beware of angry Thai males, most have short fuses, and they don't forget either I learned. 

It sounds like the victim here wasn't even overtly wronged. Being mad at someone who cuts you off or something is one thing. Being mad at someone because you thought they had enough time to turn but didn't , thus holding you up for a few seconds is another thing all together. 

[Harsh Jones]

4 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

Unfortunately quite possible.  Probably a few will think that it is the foreigner's fault for being in Thailand and making the Thai angry, so the killer should not be punished.  Not everyone, but some probably will.

Well he did instigate it. 

[Harveyboy]

19 hours ago, Shop mak said:

Life sentence without parole or pardon, for this POS.

Let him sit behind bars for the next 40+ years.

 

He took the life of a older gent, in his senior golden years.

Blaming influence of alcohol, for road rage. Never ever to they admit, 'I was stupid'.

would be nice but we all know that is not going to happen.. he's already said sorry..that's 10 years off....Thai judicial system is a farce..won't see much time ..RIP the deceased..rot in hell this Thai coward 

[Harveyboy]

2 hours ago, riclag said:

To be fair he should be extradited to England for a proper  indictment and trial! 

Thai justice is very suspect imop

The courts here don’t seem to hand out life sentences especially after a convicted citizen shows remorse  ! Imop

Rip sir 

 

 

yep this one even said sorry ..oh well must be a nice guy eh

[Harveyboy]

19 minutes ago, Harsh Jones said:

Well he did instigate it. 

yes he did an argument not a shoot out..not same same.old chap

[talahtnut]

The Brit started it, loud honking and banging on

someones car...do that in any country and you

could be asking for 'red mist' bother.

[tgw]

10 hours ago, BigStar said:

This isn't to blame the victim. Obviously, the consequences of the confrontation were criminal. I hope the Thai is punished to the max. Still, I think if the Brit could do it all over, he'd handle the situation much differently. 

 

as the perp is only in his 30ies, I'd wager the victim probably saved another person's life.

with a temper like that, the perp would probably have shot someone else at some point or another.

RIP to the victim.

I hope the murderer is punished properly, with at least 20 full years in prison.

Edited January 9, 2023 by tgw

[Harsh Jones]

23 minutes ago, talahtnut said:

The Brit started it, loud honking and banging on

someones car...do that in any country and you

could be asking for 'red mist' bother.

Happens all the time in the US of A

[talahtnut]

2 hours ago, Harsh Jones said:

Happens all the time in the US of A

Exactly,  in London it would be instant suicide.

Street etiquette essential.

[jacko45k]

8 hours ago, riclag said:

To be fair he should be extradited to England for a proper  indictment and trial! 

For a crime that occurred in Thailand... ? Not the best solution.... even a civil case for damages would have to be done in Thailand. 

[jacko45k]

5 hours ago, talahtnut said:

The Brit started it, loud honking and banging on

someones car...do that in any country and you

could be asking for 'red mist' bother.

What utter nonsense...  there is no witness to this action Loud honking from a Scoopy! They sound like a chicken being choked! There is the first lie!

[itsari]

5 hours ago, Harsh Jones said:

Happens all the time in the US of A

One a day average in USA . I am surprised at that even with the amount of guns out there amongst the population

[MRToMRT]

 

 

Stories like this, which we know are NOT statistical outliers, are what make me willing to walk away from it all. 

 

 

[MRToMRT]

10 hours ago, ross163103 said:

I realize everyone's different and handle situations differently, but beware of angry Thai males, most have short fuses, and they don't forget either I learned.

Not just the men. One thing I learnt earlier in my working career here, Thais NEVER forget or forgive, once an enemy you are an enemy for life. I never did understand how this came about, must be handed down (nuture by example).

[robblok]

20 hours ago, petermik said:

Did you witness the incident and see Neil banging on the car or are you accepting the killers version of events....Neil is not here to give his side of what happened.

Absolutely ridiculous comments.

RIP my good friend.

I dont fully accept the killers version but I am pretty sure Neil did something to contribute to this. Unless you believe he did nothing to contribute. Almost always these things are two sided. I doubt a few things in this story like hitting the car with his motorbike. But im sure he did something to make the guy loose it.

 

Does not mean at all that its justified. Just means be careful in traffic and always go for de escalation.

[Henryford]

10 hours ago, riclag said:

To be fair he should be extradited to England for a proper  indictment and trial! 

Thai justice is very suspect imop

The courts here don’t seem to hand out life sentences especially after a convicted citizen shows remorse  ! Imop

Rip sir 

 

 

What "justice" would he get in England? A suspended sentence and 200 hours community service?

[morrobay]

8 hours ago, Harveyboy said:

yes he did an argument not a shoot out..not same same.old chap

Instigate: to start or initiate. No one is say that the two above are the same. I hope this thai pos is locked up for 20. But the Brit had been drinking for hours and although there is only one witness, I believe the Brit instigated this with the banging on car.

 

 

 

 

 

[petermik]

4 minutes ago, morrobay said:

 But the Brit had been drinking for hours and although there is only one witness, I believe the Brit instigated this with the banging on car.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Where did you witness this please....where you with him at the time....no just complete and utter BS.....

My mate Neil had 3 small beers and that is a fact that the Police investigation uncovered........as for banging on the car there is no evidence whatsoever to confirm this.....or do YOU have some.......Neil is no longer here to give his version only the killers version of events.

Yes absolutely something triggered to cause this shocking episode but we will never know the truth......refrain from making unsubstantiated comments as it makes you look a fool.

[redwood1]

What are the odds of getting into a major conflict with a Thai with a loaded handgun at the ready ,who is also a highly trained sharpshooter? Close to zero is my guess.....This sounds like fate, for whatever reason...

Edited January 10, 2023 by redwood1

[morrobay]

Ok if the Brit did not instigate this then that sure does take "these pos thai males" down to a lower level. 

[morrobay]

6 minutes ago, redwood1 said:

What are the odds of getting into a major conflict with a Thai with a loaded handgun at the ready ,who is also a highly trained sharpshooter? Close to zero is my guess.....This sounds like fate, for whatever reason...

thai males- Don't even look at them

[brewsterbudgen]

15 minutes ago, morrobay said:

thai males- Don't even look at them

A little bit of a generalisation there!  Looking at someone the "wrong way" in a provincial English town on a Saturday night is not advised either!  Didn't you know? Thailand is the Land of Smiles! ????

[talahtnut]

2 hours ago, petermik said:

My mate Neil had 3 small beers and that is a fact that the Police investigation uncovered.

3 'small' beers, on a Scooby, not a good start is it?

[robblok]

9 minutes ago, talahtnut said:

3 'small' beers, on a Scooby, not a good start is it?

Depends on the time it took to consume those beers.  If spread out over an evening its not much and probably not over the limit.

[Seeall]

On 1/9/2023 at 8:40 AM, generealty said:

This is in the UK press now and obviously it is going to be difficult to get all the facts, but it was mentioned that this guy followed Neil for at least 2 kilometers before having opportunity to over take and stop him to murder him by shooting him 3 times in the 'BACK'. Even road rage would have calmed down in that time. sorry he's got to go down for life or hang him ! Sorry if I got any of the facts wrong, but the end result is the same.

not the brakes fault then....

[BangkokReady]

15 hours ago, Harsh Jones said:

Well he did instigate it. 

Instigate what?  The shooting?

[roo860]

15 hours ago, talahtnut said:

The Brit started it, loud honking and banging on

someones car...do that in any country and you

could be asking for 'red mist' bother.

You there as well? You know nothing.