Biden ordered US military to ‘down’ a ‘high-altitude object’ over Alaska, White House says

[Scott]

The White House announced Friday that President Joe Biden ordered the military to down what it described as a “high-altitude object” hovering over Alaska earlier in the day.

“The Department of Defense was tracking a high-altitude object over Alaska airspace in the last 24 hours,” National Security Council coordinator for strategic communications John Kirby told reporters when asked about rumors of another suspected Chinese surveillance balloon.

The high-altitude object, Kirby said, was flying at an altitude of 40,000 feet and “posed a reasonable threat to the safety of civilian flight.”

https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/10/politics/biden-alaska-military-down/index.html

[Credo]

How many balloons before it's declared a birthday party?

 

[Jingthing]

Hmm. 

Mysterious. 

[Tug]

Party time!wonder who’s this one is?could it be little Kim?not sure they are far enough north to get one over Alaska as I recall reading about the Japanese efforts during ww2 theirs seemed to be further south,Washington Oregon and n cal anyway they will figure it out after analysis 

[SunnyinBangrak]

47 minutes ago, Scott said:

The White House announced Friday that President Joe Biden ordered the military to down what it described as a “high-altitude object” hovering over Alaska earlier in the day.

?? What? We have just had a week with Biden fans telling us that it was not possible/too dangerous/easier to retrieve something from 20m deep in the ocean than on land (insert any other nonsensical reason) as an excuse why it couldn't nor shouldn't be done. And now they just did exactly that? What a shambles this administration is.

 

As a sample of the why's a balloon can't be shot down over Alaska....

 

 

Credo "It entered the US in Alaska.  I haven't seen a map of the path, but with such close proximity to Russia, it's a little tricky to shoot something down that may have strayed.   Russian and US airspace have little separation in parts of Alaska.  "

 

Tug "Ho ho hooo that’s funny naa it’s just being responsible and not getting folks hurt on the ground lmao ????"

 

Pomchop - on why waiting till the previous balloon crossed the entire country before hitting it "Biden did exactly what any sane president would do and that is order it shot down as soon as the experts said it would be safe to do so. ...Biden is the president and does not claim to be an expert on spy balloons, aircrafts, falling debris, possible intelligence salvage....that is why presidents surround themselves with the best and the brightest and don't denigrate/fire every single one of them the minute they give him advice he does not want to hear."

 

and then fast forward a couple of days, to today;s OP  and...

 

 "The White House announced Friday that President Joe Biden ordered the military to down what it described as a “high-altitude object” hovering over Alaska earlier in the day."

 

 

 

[Scott]

It was shot down, in part, because it was traveling at the same altitude as civilian aircraft and therefore, presented a possible threat to aviation.  

[Tug]

49 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

?? What? We have just had a week with Biden fans telling us that it was not possible/too dangerous/easier to retrieve something from 20m deep in the ocean than on land (insert any other nonsensical reason) as an excuse why it couldn't nor shouldn't be done. And now they just did exactly that? What a shambles this administration is.

 

As a sample of the why's a balloon can't be shot down over Alaska....

 

 

Credo "It entered the US in Alaska.  I haven't seen a map of the path, but with such close proximity to Russia, it's a little tricky to shoot something down that may have strayed.   Russian and US airspace have little separation in parts of Alaska.  "

 

Tug "Ho ho hooo that’s funny naa it’s just being responsible and not getting folks hurt on the ground lmao ????"

 

Pomchop - on why waiting till the previous balloon crossed the entire country before hitting it "Biden did exactly what any sane president would do and that is order it shot down as soon as the experts said it would be safe to do so. ...Biden is the president and does not claim to be an expert on spy balloons, aircrafts, falling debris, possible intelligence salvage....that is why presidents surround themselves with the best and the brightest and don't denigrate/fire every single one of them the minute they give him advice he does not want to hear."

 

and then fast forward a couple of days, to today;s OP  and...

 

 "The White House announced Friday that President Joe Biden ordered the military to down what it described as a “high-altitude object” hovering over Alaska earlier in the day."

 

 

 

Gee I donno perhaps they were tired of all the comments from the peanut gallery?anyway this one was lower and a hazard to navigation hopefully they can recover enough to identify and suss out its capabilities lmao ???? 

[Bkk Brian]

“the object was about the size of a small car"

 

TESLA?

[Hakuna Matata]

It is not so easy to down it at the altitude of 25 kilometers above the ground. This kind of balloon is ideal for intercepting radio communications in the radius of 500 kilometers or more.

[placeholder]

3 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

?? What? We have just had a week with Biden fans telling us that it was not possible/too dangerous/easier to retrieve something from 20m deep in the ocean than on land (insert any other nonsensical reason) as an excuse why it couldn't nor shouldn't be done. And now they just did exactly that? What a shambles this administration is.

 

As a sample of the why's a balloon can't be shot down over Alaska....

 

 

Credo "It entered the US in Alaska.  I haven't seen a map of the path, but with such close proximity to Russia, it's a little tricky to shoot something down that may have strayed.   Russian and US airspace have little separation in parts of Alaska.  "

 

Tug "Ho ho hooo that’s funny naa it’s just being responsible and not getting folks hurt on the ground lmao ????"

 

Pomchop - on why waiting till the previous balloon crossed the entire country before hitting it "Biden did exactly what any sane president would do and that is order it shot down as soon as the experts said it would be safe to do so. ...Biden is the president and does not claim to be an expert on spy balloons, aircrafts, falling debris, possible intelligence salvage....that is why presidents surround themselves with the best and the brightest and don't denigrate/fire every single one of them the minute they give him advice he does not want to hear."

 

and then fast forward a couple of days, to today;s OP  and...

 

 "The White House announced Friday that President Joe Biden ordered the military to down what it described as a “high-altitude object” hovering over Alaska earlier in the day."

 

 

 

Also, as has been made clear. the Pentagon took the opportunity to study the capabilities of the previous  balloon's payload.

[SunnyinBangrak]

11 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Also, as has been made clear. the Pentagon took the opportunity to study the capabilities of the previous  balloon's payload.

"as has been made clear" by who? by your own speculation? By the Biden activist media? What has concerned me since this chaotic Biden balloon saga started was the ridiculous yet prevailing narrative that objects can not, nor should not be downed over land - even sparsely populated badlands, and that (IMO because of how it played out) it is better to down objects over the sea. Now this is problematic as searching the sea bed for minute pieces of whatever it was is difficult. Yet if it had been downed over land a 7 year old with a gun dog could easily have located it, and nothing would be lost due to being buried in sediment or floated away. They would have "the opportunity to study the capabilities of the previous  balloon's payload" with it nice and dry sitting on their desks, rather than waterlogged and spread out over a vast area of silty sea floor.

 It made no sense. And now finally, there is an admission that the narrative was nonsense and of course an object could and should be downed ASAP.

[placeholder]

3 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

"as has been made clear" by who? by your own speculation? By the Biden activist media? What has concerned me since this chaotic Biden balloon saga started was the ridiculous yet prevailing narrative that objects can not, nor should not be downed over land - even sparsely populated badlands, and that (IMO because of how it played out) it is better to down objects over the sea. Now this is problematic as searching the sea bed for minute pieces of whatever it was is difficult. Yet if it had been downed over land a 7 year old with a gun dog could easily have located it, and nothing would be lost due to being buried in sediment or floated away. They would have "the opportunity to study the capabilities of the previous  balloon's payload" with it nice and dry sitting on their desks, rather than waterlogged and spread out over a vast area of silty sea floor.

 It made no sense. And now finally, there is an admission that the narrative was nonsense and of course an object could and should be downed ASAP.

If it would make no difference to the integrity of the payload if it landed on earth or water then you have a point.

[vandeventer]

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

“the object was about the size of a small car"

 

TESLA?

Well I hope the eagles are not flying too high. Is Joe getting a little trigger happy?

[LosLobo]

59 minutes ago, placeholder said:

If it would make no difference to the integrity of the payload if it landed on earth or water then you have a point.

Agree, but for others the Kool-Aid has impaired the ability to discern between facts and misinformation and science and myths.

 

 

[brucegoniners]

Sarah Palin can see Russia. I guess Russia could see her, lol

[Hummin]

5 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

?? What? We have just had a week with Biden fans telling us that it was not possible/too dangerous/easier to retrieve something from 20m deep in the ocean than on land (insert any other nonsensical reason) as an excuse why it couldn't nor shouldn't be done. And now they just did exactly that? What a shambles this administration is.

 

As a sample of the why's a balloon can't be shot down over Alaska....

 

 

Credo "It entered the US in Alaska.  I haven't seen a map of the path, but with such close proximity to Russia, it's a little tricky to shoot something down that may have strayed.   Russian and US airspace have little separation in parts of Alaska.  "

 

Tug "Ho ho hooo that’s funny naa it’s just being responsible and not getting folks hurt on the ground lmao ????"

 

Pomchop - on why waiting till the previous balloon crossed the entire country before hitting it "Biden did exactly what any sane president would do and that is order it shot down as soon as the experts said it would be safe to do so. ...Biden is the president and does not claim to be an expert on spy balloons, aircrafts, falling debris, possible intelligence salvage....that is why presidents surround themselves with the best and the brightest and don't denigrate/fire every single one of them the minute they give him advice he does not want to hear."

 

and then fast forward a couple of days, to today;s OP  and...

 

 "The White House announced Friday that President Joe Biden ordered the military to down what it described as a “high-altitude object” hovering over Alaska earlier in the day."

 

 

 

Is it difficult to understand NSA's wish to track the ballon, the digital transfers, and the targets after they concluded it was of no danger! The last UFO with no id, was in an altitude it could be a possible danger to air traffic! 

 

Two different objects, and possible just a dummy provocation. The war is on! 

 

Foreign Surveillance intelligence creating political noise as well public chaos with very little effort, because of internal problems. They targeting Usa' weakest point, the trust in their leaders.

 

The biggest danger is not the provocations, is all of you who think you know better than NSA and the Government. 

Edited February 11, 2023 by Hummin

[Tug]

Something interesting on this at cnn the military says the object shattered not like a balloon apparently it’s wasn’t a balloon 

[wwest5829]

6 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

?? What? We have just had a week with Biden fans telling us that it was not possible/too dangerous/easier to retrieve something from 20m deep in the ocean than on land (insert any other nonsensical reason) as an excuse why it couldn't nor shouldn't be done. And now they just did exactly that? What a shambles this administration is.

 

As a sample of the why's a balloon can't be shot down over Alaska....

 

 

Credo "It entered the US in Alaska.  I haven't seen a map of the path, but with such close proximity to Russia, it's a little tricky to shoot something down that may have strayed.   Russian and US airspace have little separation in parts of Alaska.  "

 

Tug "Ho ho hooo that’s funny naa it’s just being responsible and not getting folks hurt on the ground lmao ????"

 

Pomchop - on why waiting till the previous balloon crossed the entire country before hitting it "Biden did exactly what any sane president would do and that is order it shot down as soon as the experts said it would be safe to do so. ...Biden is the president and does not claim to be an expert on spy balloons, aircrafts, falling debris, possible intelligence salvage....that is why presidents surround themselves with the best and the brightest and don't denigrate/fire every single one of them the minute they give him advice he does not want to hear."

 

and then fast forward a couple of days, to today;s OP  and...

 

 "The White House announced Friday that President Joe Biden ordered the military to down what it described as a “high-altitude object” hovering over Alaska earlier in the day."

 

 

 

I do believe some critical thinking is sorely lacking in your analysis.

[Phoenix Rising]

8 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

?? What? We have just had a week with Biden fans telling us that it was not possible/too dangerous/easier to retrieve something from 20m deep in the ocean than on land (insert any other nonsensical reason) as an excuse why it couldn't nor shouldn't be done. And now they just did exactly that?

There, there, it's gonna be aaaaall right. President Biden is in charge, not some snake oil salesman, so good decisions will mostly be made. 

Now, the clue to why this object was shot down immediately is actually in the article you commented on but I guess you missed it. From the article in the OP:
"The high-altitude object, Kirby said, was flying at an altitude of 40,000 feet and “posed a reasonable threat to the safety of civilian flight.”

 

Get it now?

[Phoenix Rising]

1 hour ago, wwest5829 said:

I do believe some critical thinking is sorely lacking in your analysis.

I see you're into understatements....

[vandeventer]

This object, could be a UFO from outer space, if so we could be in a world of trouble, If you find it always look for the made in China marking as they put it on everything.

[billd766]

8 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

?? What? We have just had a week with Biden fans telling us that it was not possible/too dangerous/easier to retrieve something from 20m deep in the ocean than on land (insert any other nonsensical reason) as an excuse why it couldn't nor shouldn't be done. And now they just did exactly that? What a shambles this administration is.

 

As a sample of the why's a balloon can't be shot down over Alaska....

 

 

Credo "It entered the US in Alaska.  I haven't seen a map of the path, but with such close proximity to Russia, it's a little tricky to shoot something down that may have strayed.   Russian and US airspace have little separation in parts of Alaska.  "

 

Tug "Ho ho hooo that’s funny naa it’s just being responsible and not getting folks hurt on the ground lmao ????"

 

Pomchop - on why waiting till the previous balloon crossed the entire country before hitting it "Biden did exactly what any sane president would do and that is order it shot down as soon as the experts said it would be safe to do so. ...Biden is the president and does not claim to be an expert on spy balloons, aircrafts, falling debris, possible intelligence salvage....that is why presidents surround themselves with the best and the brightest and don't denigrate/fire every single one of them the minute they give him advice he does not want to hear."

 

and then fast forward a couple of days, to today;s OP  and...

 

 "The White House announced Friday that President Joe Biden ordered the military to down what it described as a “high-altitude object” hovering over Alaska earlier in the day."

 

 

 

Try reading a different set of news, or do you read only anti president Biden biased news?

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64605447

 

Speaking at the White House on Friday, Mr Kirby said the debris field of the object shot down on Friday was "much, much smaller" than the balloon shot down last Saturday off the coast of South Carolina.

He said that the object was flying at 40,000ft (12,000m) over the northern coast of Alaska.

It had already flown across Alaska at a speed of 20 to 40mph (64km/h) and was out over the sea travelling towards the North Pole, when it was shot down.

Commercial airlines can fly as high as 45,000ft.

Helicopters and transport aircraft have been deployed to collect debris from the frozen waters of the Beaufort Sea.

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/2/10/us-says-it-shot-down-high-altitude-object-over-alaska

[John Drake]

45 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Commercial airlines can fly as high as 45,000ft.

"Can." In fact, they rarely get above 38,000 because it is inefficient and dangerous in case of an emergency to do so.

[Hummin]

8 minutes ago, John Drake said:

"Can." In fact, they rarely get above 38,000 because it is inefficient and dangerous in case of an emergency to do so.

That was just a few click on flight radar

[John Drake]

Per Time.  

Quote

“With these larger jets, when they take off from airports, their first job is essentially to get out and get as high as possible as quickly as possible,” says Adam Beckman, a lecturer for aviation studies at Ohio State University.

Commercial aircraft typically fly between 31,000 and 38,000 feet — about 5.9 to 7.2 miles — high and usually reach their cruising altitudes in the first 10 minutes of a flight, according to Beckman.

Planes can fly much higher than this altitude, but that can present safety issues.   https://time.com/5309905/how-high-do-planes-fly/

 

[Hummin]

7 minutes ago, John Drake said:

Per Time.  

 

So many things to consider, traffic, weight, atmospheric conditions, temperature, turbulence, tailwind basically the wind direction and speed, class of plane (type) 

 

Most economical under ideal conditions is 35-36k feet, but it doesnt mean there is no planes above this altitude. 

 

According to USA Today, the common cruising altitude for most commercial airplanes is between 33,000 and 42,000 feet

 

https://www.travelandleisure.com/airlines-airports/why-do-planes-fly-at-36000-feet-cruising-altitude#:~:text=According to USA Today%2C the,36%2C000 feet in the air.

 

[candide]

16 minutes ago, John Drake said:

Per Time.  

 

Cependingt on the plane model, they can go up to 43,000 feet. Moreover:

"The exact height chosen for a given flight will also depend on wind conditions. Aircraft will aim to take advantage of or minimize the adverse effects of high-altitude jet stream winds. To help with this, pilots may find that they need to adjust their altitude. They will also seek to avoid areas of turbulence and adverse weather by climbing or descending accordingly if permitted by air traffic control."

https://simpleflying.com/how-high-can-commercial-passenger-planes-fly/