1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

Widely accepted and not credibly contested.

By whom?

 

Look at all the lies out of the highest eschalons of government, public health and mass media. Twitter files real eye opener

I voted "Very likely" under the "credible fact checking" condition.

 

But it seems the "credible fact checking" is often difficult, blurred or impossible these days.

A good example is the climate change, or climate crisis or climate breakdown or whatever people call it.

 

When we believe some people then soon we will all be deep underwater. Every change of the weather (warmer, colder, wind, whatever) is a clear sign of the climate breakdown, which will happen very soon.

Other experts agree there are changes, but the situation is not really critical.

And then there are experts who dismiss most of the climate panic news.

 

Which is true?

All of above positions exists with real experts who studied climate for a long time.

 

That is just one example.

Then there are all the fact checked articles about the war in Ukraine, the situation in Russia, China, and and and.

I think it's almost impossible to know what is true. Because whatever truth we want to know, there will be a (credible) source which supports it.
 

1 hour ago, SuperSilverHaze said:

Fact check is a tool of the woke. The fact check sites are run by lefties and funded by lefties.

 

I lost what little respect I had for TV AN during covid but the site is still woke. Ever wonder why members / posts drop to nill?

 

Hope the gay and covidiots, hapless Ukraine loser supporters can support the board bc normies, clear eyed people have had enough

Double 

58 minutes ago, SuperSilverHaze said:

Fact check is a tool of the woke. The fact check sites are run by lefties and funded by lefties.

 

I lost what little respect I had for TV AN during covid but the site is still woke. Ever wonder why members / posts drop to nill?

 

Hope the gay and covidiots, hapless Ukraine loser supporters can support the board bc normies, clear eyed people have had enough

It takes a hard toll on the clear eyed community to be named stupid all the time, and in every possible source with facts but lack of common sense sometimes. Not all fact feels like common sense, but it doesnt make it right because you feel it is out of order. Feel sorry for you guys, cant be easy.

Stating the obvious but it can depend on whether you see black and white or grey. To some if the Washington Post ever was found to tell a falsehood, even if they admitted it later, they are fake news. To some if a scientist faked results then all scientists can be thrown out with the bath water. To some if a scientist got one thing wrong  but 99 correct that is a step too far and they cannot be trusted. To some if a government lies, many of which do, then all governments and government bodies cannot be trusted. That can result in such cynicism that an equally cynical YouTuber or cable news network is seen as more reliable than other sources that are imperfect but are fact checked by other imperfect but generally reliable sources. The shared point of view is more important than the facts.

6 minutes ago, Hummin said:

 

 

47 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I voted "Very likely" under the "credible fact checking" condition.

 

But it seems the "credible fact checking" is often difficult, blurred or impossible these days.

A good example is the climate change, or climate crisis or climate breakdown or whatever people call it.

 

When we believe some people then soon we will all be deep underwater. Every change of the weather (warmer, colder, wind, whatever) is a clear sign of the climate breakdown, which will happen very soon.

Other experts agree there are changes, but the situation is not really critical.

And then there are experts who dismiss most of the climate panic news.

 

Which is true?

All of above positions exists with real experts who studied climate for a long time.

 

That is just one example.

Then there are all the fact checked articles about the war in Ukraine, the situation in Russia, China, and and and.

I think it's almost impossible to know what is true. Because whatever truth we want to know, there will be a (credible) source which supports it.
 

Some will always be coloured with some partly interests to change public opinions, and we need that to pull some strings! But to often, to much and to costly, can make the opposite result.  lockquote widget

2 hours ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

I checked "very likely" only because I'm not a fan of absolutes such as "always" or "never".  

Absolutely! 

1 hour ago, SuperSilverHaze said:

Fact check is a tool of the woke.

I guess that explains why all those Trump fanboys don't care about facts. 

1 hour ago, SuperSilverHaze said:

By whom?

 

Look at all the lies out of the highest eschalons of government, public health and mass media. Twitter files real eye opener

Anybody who can point to reliable evidence. Usually qualified people and evidence produced by qualified people. In general it will be reproducible experiments and the like. Peer reviewed science.

3 hours ago, Hummin said:

Im always willing to change my understanding of a subject or any matter if convincing evidences is present, and I can learn new facts replacing old ones. 

 

Why not?

I changed my mind when I came here.  I thought I was old cranky man with balding hair.  

 

 

Now I changed mind after enough experts an reliable sources told me I was nice smart generous and very handsum man

3 hours ago, ozimoron said:

credible fact checking

Key ingredient here.  So much of the fact checking is politically influenced and has very little to do with the actual facts. Many things are taken out of context or they'll find a word or two or a phrase that they can dispute and then claim the whole info is false.

2 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I voted "Very likely" under the "credible fact checking" condition.

 

But it seems the "credible fact checking" is often difficult, blurred or impossible these days.

A good example is the climate change, or climate crisis or climate breakdown or whatever people call it.

 

When we believe some people then soon we will all be deep underwater. Every change of the weather (warmer, colder, wind, whatever) is a clear sign of the climate breakdown, which will happen very soon.

Other experts agree there are changes, but the situation is not really critical.

And then there are experts who dismiss most of the climate panic news.

 

Which is true?

All of above positions exists with real experts who studied climate for a long time.

 

That is just one example.

Then there are all the fact checked articles about the war in Ukraine, the situation in Russia, China, and and and.

I think it's almost impossible to know what is true. Because whatever truth we want to know, there will be a (credible) source which supports it.
 

Such an intelligent response and then you punted it with this...

57 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I guess that explains why all those Trump fanboys don't care about facts.

A completely idiotic comment.

Fact checkers provide only one view of what may be a multifaceted issue.  And that view is the view held by the status quo.

As my signature states:
The difference between 'conspiracy theory' and fact is just a matter of time.  Too often we are told by so-called "fact checkers" (people paid to promote only the view of the status quo) only to find out weeks, months, years later that the narratives the fact checkers where promoting were inaccurate at best and outright lies at worse.

So do I trust anyone who calls themselves a "fact checker?"  Nope.  Based on this poll, I'm really surprised at how many people are happy to be led down the primrose path via overt propaganda.

28 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Anybody who can point to reliable evidence. Usually qualified people and evidence produced by qualified people. In general it will be reproducible experiments and the like. Peer reviewed science.

But it's none of that lol.

 

In fact, on this very forum during covid numerous quality studies were done. These truthy posts were yanked down immediately based upon the opinion of some woke fact checking racket. The study, report never questioned but merely the perfectly legit non woke website cited and the post deleted.

 

Irony you ask these questions you're one of the worst offenders/ woke mob active on the site. Oh, BKK Brian your alter ego as well

2 minutes ago, AgMech Cowboy said:

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I guess that explains why all those Trump fanboys don't care about facts.

A completely idiotic comment.

 

Why is that idiotic? It was my reply to this one:

"Fact check is a tool of the woke. The fact check sites are run by lefties and funded by lefties."

 

What is the opposite of the woke? We can be sure Trump fanboys are part of that group.

And who denies reality like election results?

So maybe my comment is not so idiotic considering why I wrote it. 

 

Its a sad existence to see folks repeating what they read and thinking its the truth.

 

It happens so much to some folks its not even worth trying to make them see otherwise. 

 

People believe what they want to believe.

24 minutes ago, kingstonkid said:

I changed my mind when I came here.  I thought I was old cranky man with balding hair.  

 

 

Now I changed mind after enough experts an reliable sources told me I was nice smart generous and very handsum man

Did you fact check your panel of experts?

 

 

I think the poll clearly shows why many of the articles are not worth reading.

2 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Or until Social Media wanted to silence you.

2 hours ago, SuperSilverHaze said:

Fact check is a tool of the woke. The fact check sites are run by lefties and funded by lefties.

 

I lost what little respect I had for TV AN during covid but the site is still woke. Ever wonder why members / posts drop to nill?

 

Hope the gay and covidiots, hapless Ukraine loser supporters can support the board bc normies, clear eyed people have had enough

Well said, hmm ... may have to take you off my ignore list, and unless quoted, wouldn't have seen this.   Agree completely with above.

 

Curious how you got on my list now????:

... anti TH

... anti CH

... anti USA

... anti EVs

 

4 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Well said, hmm ... may have to take you off my ignore list, and unless quoted, wouldn't have seen this.   Agree completely with above.

 

Curious how you got on my list now????:

... anti TH

... anti CH

... anti USA

... anti EVs

 

Fact check, is USA the land of free? 

2 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Fact check, is USA the land of free? 

Yes & no.  Free to express yourself, though it may cost*** you, but won't be jailed for it, as you might here in TH.

 

Free to earn as much income as you can, and still the Land of Opportunity, for those that take advantage and actually do something to better their finances.   Is harder everyday if abiding by all the rules & regulations.

 

Great country to be born in, and retire from, though not that good to live out your retirement in.

 

*** expressing displeasure with any administration to the WH ... 'WILL' get you audited by the IRS.  My experience anyway ... YMMV

 

 

21 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Fact check, is USA the land of free? 

As long as you have money i guess yes. 

4 hours ago, ozimoron said:

The point of my question was what if your opinion was contested and fact checking provided in support of that dissent?

Yo ozi I think maybe your adult, mature, critical thinking is going over people heads.

 

A fact is a fact. That's why its called a fact folks. 

It is not a subjective matter but purely objective e.g. the sky is blue, water is wet, the sun is so many kilometres away from the earth, a lie is a lie because despite the weight if clear evidence a person or entity choses to offer up a falsity in contradiction of said fact, e.g Trump is a lifelong serial sex offender and corporate criminal, ands as it appears from the mounting weight of FACTS a traitor to his nation.

How amazing, and damaging to the whole planet (given we now live in a globally instantaneous communication matrix) that so many so-called adults are so wedded to delusional thinking that despite the clear weight of irrefutable facts they persist in believing otherwise.

1 minute ago, Tropposurfer said:

It is not a subjective matter but purely objective e.g. the sky is blue,

Up here in Chang Mai the sky is a dirty grey/brown.

So it appears your facts are not everyone's facts.

Another term for a 'fact checker' is 'censor.'

I grew up in a day and age where censorship was frowned upon, and as a US citizens, the concept of censoring all but what one group who have been blessed by the status quo have to say and dismiss all other sides of the argument as 'false' really runs counter to 1st Amendment Freedom of Speech.

We're censoring you for your own safety!   Tosh.

I wonder if there are "Debate Clubs" in High School like there were when I attended.
It's sort of difficult to debate an issue that you are told only has "one and only one" factual basis and all other views are fake.  Using that logic, the stars, moon, and sun revolves around a flat earth.

2 hours ago, Hummin said:

Double 

yeah I'm totally WOKE;

I believe in people being who they chose to be, for women to have the right to decide what they do with their own bodies, that history should be taught as it happened (no matter how unpleasant that factual timeline is) not censored to make WOKE white people feel happier,  that we are all of one race, that gay people are people just like me, that fighting for the freedom of all is fundamental to mine and the entire human races existence, that racism is a vile cancer on the entire planet just to name a few of my woke beliefs and lived attitudes.

You see i am secure enough in myself to not be bothered or threatened buy any of the above. What I am threatened by is people who hide their evil, violent, hateful intents behind the tropes of anti-wokism and through tjheir oh-so obvious pure, unadulterated paranoid, neurotic projection claim to be championing humanity.

6 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Up here in Chang Mai the sky is a dirty grey/brown.

So it appears your facts are not everyone's facts.

Haha yep it sure is lol ???? But, I'm sure along with your quick wit you get the point the sky is the sky BritManT ???? ????????

It is my opinion that abortion should be legalised worldwide.

 

It is my opinion that genital mutilation in boy and girls should be illegal worldwide.

 

How can one "fact check" these examples?

 

So first, the word "opinion" needs to be properly defined for the context it was intended for.

 

In my opinion, the question was asked as if someone stated as a fact, something that could be challenged as probably only an opinion, as it related to a "fact check" that justified it, and would we be prepared to change our mind.

 

My answer is. yes, I would!