Trump has pleaded not guilty to 34 counts of falsifying business records

[thaibeachlovers]

3 hours ago, 2baht said:

Falsifying documents in regard to payments made through Cohen to Stormy Daniels. Please do some research!

The only factual evidence so far is that Cohen paid her. To convict they have to prove Trump knew that he was reimbursing a pay off, and not just a retainer.

Plenty of wiggle room in this case.

 

I'm really looking forward to a not guilty on reasonable doubt result.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

Ok, alleged (although I doubt if any person, even a MAGA enthusiast really thinks he didn't do this). But yeah, if it makes you happy 'alleged'.

 

 

 

Thank you for admitting that, but I think there is enough reasonable doubt for an acquittal.

 

However, it could be a year or more before it gets to a verdict, so I'm not holding my breath.

[expat_4_life]

Trump has been subjected to the most aggressive, well-financed, open-ended investigation in history by the DOJ, state AGs, private investigators, media orgs, and weaponized Five Eyes intel agencies, and all they found were allegations of paying a former mistress to keep quiet.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, expat_4_life said:

Trump has been subjected to the most aggressive, well-financed, open-ended investigation in history by the DOJ, state AGs, private investigators, media orgs, and weaponized Five Eyes intel agencies, and all they found were allegations of paying a former mistress to keep quiet.

LOL. He could sell T shirts saying "They tried to convict me of something and all they got was Stormy".

[Pink Mist]

30 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

Even if you are right, felony charges have a time limit of 5 years and this happen 7 years ago. So why go after Trump now? are all you Dems. scared he will win in 2024? Or are you just full of hate?

Please do some research. I will not do it for you anymore. Certain States have different time limits as you state in your post, yet certain States have what is called Tolling and certain crimes due to certain factors can have the pause button pushed to stop the countdown of time and then restart the time later. These charges Trump is facing are not class A felonies where there is no time limit in New York.  However, the mitigating circumstances such as not being able to charge a sitting president activate the Tolling issue and stop the time. 

 

Basically the charging time will have started upon his leaving office.

 

Yet that will be brought up in pre-trial events with the judge.  Until then he has been arrested and indicted.

 

https://www.lawinfo.com/resources/criminal-defense/criminal-statute-limitations-time-limits.html

 

In other jurisdictions, states rely on a classification system for felonies and utilize that in administering the statutes of limitations laws. For instance, New York does not have a statute of limitations for first-degree murder, rape, and Class A felonies. Beyond that, their statutes of limitations are complex and depend on the particular set of circumstances in each case.

[LosLobo]

12 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

Did you know that the judge worked for VP Harris's daughter? so he should have excused himself?

I have not analysed that yet as it is only recent !

 

But almost a year ago, Roe Vs Wade was overturned with the help of GOP appointed Justice Clarence Thomas whose wife is an anti-abortion activist.

 

Should he have excused himself?

[Eric Loh]

11 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The only factual evidence so far is that Cohen paid her. To convict they have to prove Trump knew that he was reimbursing a pay off, and not just a retainer.

Plenty of wiggle room in this case.

 

I'm really looking forward to a not guilty on reasonable doubt result.

Even despite Trump's contention that no money from his campaign was used to pay off Daniel, he still broke the campaign finance laws by failing to declare the secret payment to the Federal Election Commission. No debt to Cohen was listed on Trump's personal financial disclosure form which was certified on 16 June 2017. The wiggle room getting exceedingly tight. Not guilty may be a distant drum. 

[stoner]

imagine if this does not work out right. i wonder what the excuses will be. 

 

 

[stoner]

1 minute ago, Eric Loh said:

he still broke the campaign finance laws by failing to declare the secret payment to the Federal Election Commission

wait you still believe there are clean politicians out there ? o man that is so awesome. 

[Bkk Brian]

16 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The only factual evidence so far is that Cohen paid her. To convict they have to prove Trump knew that he was reimbursing a pay off, and not just a retainer.

Plenty of wiggle room in this case.

 

I'm really looking forward to a not guilty on reasonable doubt result.

No its not, there is plenty of factual evidence and its not just about Stormy. Where is the link to your claim there is not?

 

The defendant referred to below is obviously Trump.

 

STATEMENT OF FACTS

In a conversation captured in an audio recording in approximately September 2016 concerning Woman 1’s account, the Defendant and Lawyer A discussed how to obtain the rights to Woman 1’s account from AMI and how to reimburse AMI for its payment. Lawyer A told the Defendant he would open up a company for the transfer of Woman 1’s account and other information, and stated that he had spoken to the Chief Financial Officer for the Trump Organization (the “TO CFO”) about “how to set the whole thing up.” The Defendant asked, “So what do we got to pay for this? One fifty?” and suggested paying by cash. When Lawyer A disagreed, the Defendant then mentioned payment by check. After the conversation, Lawyer A created a shell company called Resolution Consultants, LLC on or about September 30, 2016.

https://www.manhattanda.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Donald-J.-Trump-SOF.pdf

[Salerno]

25 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

I have not analysed that yet as it is only recent !

I wouldn't bother as it's <deleted>. The judge never worked for the VP nor her step-daughter who is only 23.

 

The judge's daughter has been involved in left-leaning campaigns, including some work on the VP's campaign.

[2baht]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The only factual evidence so far is that Cohen paid her. To convict they have to prove Trump knew that he was reimbursing a pay off, and not just a retainer.

Plenty of wiggle room in this case.

 

I'm really looking forward to a not guilty on reasonable doubt result.

Do you think they'll give him back the stolen election? ????

[LosLobo]

8 minutes ago, Pink Mist said:

Please do some research. I will not do it for you anymore. Certain States have different time limits as you state in your post, yet certain States have what is called Tolling and certain crimes due to certain factors can have the pause button pushed to stop the countdown of time and then restart the time later. These charges Trump is facing are not class A felonies where there is no time limit in New York.  However, the mitigating circumstances such as not being able to charge a sitting president activate the Tolling issue and stop the time. 

 

Basically the charging time will have started upon his leaving office.

 

Yet that will be brought up in pre-trial events with the judge.  Until then he has been arrested and indicted.

 

https://www.lawinfo.com/resources/criminal-defense/criminal-statute-limitations-time-limits.html

 

In other jurisdictions, states rely on a classification system for felonies and utilize that in administering the statutes of limitations laws. For instance, New York does not have a statute of limitations for first-degree murder, rape, and Class A felonies. Beyond that, their statutes of limitations are complex and depend on the particular set of circumstances in each case.

This is a complex issue with an aggregate of reasons, mainly based on Trump's time in the State.

 

I suggest a summary of why the Statute may have be extended for Trump :

 

1) Trump's time in White House

 

2) Covid epidemic paused a lot of criminal cases

 

3) Trump officially moved residence from NY, I would suggest to avoid legal jeopardy, a move which I think bit him in the a** in this case.

 

Trump's time in White House could end up benefiting New York prosecutors | CNN Politics

[Eric Loh]

1 minute ago, stoner said:

wait you still believe there are clean politicians out there ? o man that is so awesome. 

Not sure about clean politicians but Trump is blatantly corrupt as a civilian and in office. His epic underhandedness is too lengthy to be recounted. 

[vandeventer]

46 minutes ago, gargamon said:

The “teflon“ don has turned into the “velcro“ don. After a lifetime of weaseling out of his legal problems it looks like everything is now going to stick. This is only the beginning. The chickens are coming home to roost. 

So if Trump gets 4 years for each felony charge he should be getting out of jail when he is 212 years old. Now does this seem fair to you for a paperwork mistake with no underline crime?

[Longwood50]

 

Alan Dershowitz

 

Alan Morton Dershowitz is an American lawyer and former law professor known for his work in U.S. constitutional law and American criminal law.

 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

 

Alan Dershowitz

 

Alan Morton Dershowitz is an American lawyer and former law professor known for his work in U.S. constitutional law and American criminal law.

 

 

 

Alan Dershowitz should have done some research first:

 

New York Supreme Court Judge Allows Public Disclosure of Trump Indictment

On March 31, the New York County Clerk’s office released an order by New York Supreme Court Judge Juan Merchan allowing Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg to disclose to the public that a Manhattan grand jury had issued an indictment of former President Donald Trump.  

You can read the order here or below:

https://www.lawfareblog.com/new-york-supreme-court-judge-allows-public-disclosure-trump-indictment

 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

45 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The only factual evidence so far is that Cohen paid her. To convict they have to prove Trump knew that he was reimbursing a pay off, and not just a retainer.

Plenty of wiggle room in this case.

 

I'm really looking forward to a not guilty on reasonable doubt result.

Let me correct you, the only factual evidence you’ve seen.

[Pink Mist]

1 hour ago, vandeventer said:

Did you know that the judge worked for VP Harris's daughter? so he should have excused himself?

Please explain why the judge needs to recuse himself as far as this case is concerned. He has no vested interest as to the outcome.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_disqualification#:~:text=The judge has personal or,or she cannot act impartially.

 

Laws or court rules provide the recusal of judges. Although the details vary, the following are nearly universal grounds for recusal.

• The judge is related to a party, attorney, or spouse of either party (usually) within three degrees of kinship.
• The judge is a party.
• The judge is a material witness unless pleading purporting to make the Judge a party is false (determined by presiding judge, but see substitution).
• The judge has previously acted in the case in question as an attorney for a party, or participated in some other capacity.

[Chomper Higgot]

13 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

So if Trump gets 4 years for each felony charge he should be getting out of jail when he is 212 years old. Now does this seem fair to you for a paperwork mistake with no underline crime?

‘Mistake’?

[2baht]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. He could sell T shirts saying "They tried to convict me of something and all they got was Stormy".

However you look at it, Stormy is the winner, $130,000 for a short time! 

[Chomper Higgot]

59 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

Did you know that the judge worked for VP Harris's daughter? so he should have excused himself?

You would perhaps prefer someone wearing a red hat and a sleeveless shirt.

[2baht]

1 hour ago, vandeventer said:

So if Trump gets 4 years for each felony charge he should be getting out of jail when he is 212 years old. Now does this seem fair to you for a paperwork mistake with no underline crime?

He should get that for his hair alone!

[vandeventer]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You would perhaps prefer someone wearing a red hat and a sleeveless shirt.

Only if it said MAGA!!!

[Dan O]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

From the top of World news subforum.

 

Any alleged factual claims must be supported by a valid link to an approved credible source.

 

Do you understand what "must" means?

Sorry if you don't like when people disagree with you. Typical trumpette response. Only thing you seem to be able to do is post your canned response as a way to avoid dealing with comments on here. No need to reply as I know what you'll say. Have a great day 

[heybruce]

7 hours ago, Scott said:

https://www.scribd.com/document/636100433/Donald-J-Trump-Indictment

The link is on the first page of this topic.  https://www.scribd.com/document/636100433/Donald-J-Trump-Indictment#

 

That's why I said you should read before you post.  Stop expecting people to spoon feed you information.

[heybruce]

54 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The only factual evidence so far is that Cohen paid her. To convict they have to prove Trump knew that he was reimbursing a pay off, and not just a retainer.

Plenty of wiggle room in this case.

 

I'm really looking forward to a not guilty on reasonable doubt result.

"The only factual evidence so far is that Cohen paid her."

 

And you know this how?  Were you on the Grand Jury?

[Phoenix Rising]

26 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

 

Alan Dershowitz

 

Alan Morton Dershowitz is an American lawyer and former law professor known for his work in U.S. constitutional law and American criminal law.

 

 

 

Let me fix that for you:

Alan Morton Dershowitz is an American lawyer and former law professor known for his work in U.S. constitutional law and American criminal law rabid trump apologist.

[2baht]

1 hour ago, vandeventer said:

How do we know he has no vested interest? I would think just working for the VP's daughter should be grounds enough?

In other words, you assume? 

[ozimoron]

31 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

So if Trump gets 4 years for each felony charge he should be getting out of jail when he is 212 years old. Now does this seem fair to you for a paperwork mistake with no underline crime?

No, it should be double. There are aggravating circumstances as he had the wherewithal to get decent qualified legal and accounting advice. He needs to be made an example of to cement faith in the rule of law and demonstrate that no man is above the law. This principle applies when a policeman or lawyer commits a crime, it's automatically an aggravated offense in many cases.