Climate change: July set to be world's warmest month on record

[rattlesnake]

9 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

"I trust my senses and thermometer"....lol so your belief based on your senses and local thermometer brings to to the assertion that:

 

"This year was no hotter than any others."

 

Yes it was addressed by me but as you say science is not your thing.

 

Combined with the El Niño, 2023 is now more likely than not to be the warmest year on record. The sea has also hit record temperatures and already broken records despite not being the end of the year yet.

 

Global air and ocean temperatures reach new record highs

https://climate.copernicus.eu/july-2023-global-air-and-ocean-temperatures-reach-new-record-highs

 

 

 

 

I said it wasn't addressed to you:

 

9 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

"I trust my senses and thermometer"....lol so your belief based on your senses and local thermometer brings to to the assertion that:

 

"This year was no hotter than any others."

Absolutely. The three hottest years I experienced were respectively:

Laos, 2014

France, 2003

Spain, 1997

 

This year was pretty mild in Thailand, even April was not as bad as some other years I have known. My acquaintances in France and the UK told me it was pretty hot in July/August, but not as bad as 2003.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 9/2/2023 at 7:13 PM, Danderman123 said:

But, we never get real mitigation if people don't agree there's a problem.

I absolutely agree there is a problem, but IMO there is nothing that we can do except learn to live with it.

Apparently politicians don't care much as they are doing sod all about it.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 9/2/2023 at 7:19 PM, Danderman123 said:

This ignorance is typified by an inability to provide any data contradicting the Global Warming hypothesis. Instead, the Deniers post doubts about science.

Enough talk already. Let's do something other than gasbaging.

What are you doing in your life to make a difference?

I already did by not having kids.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 9/2/2023 at 7:22 PM, Danderman123 said:

The critical point is that the Global Warming hypothesis is the best explanation for the current warming.

 

What have you got besides vague accusations and onsults?

Do you believers in MMCC only ever talk about it? I'm more interested in what you are doing about it.

Actually I'm not interested in any talk talk about it at all.

Surely you can point to something, anything that your government is doing that is affordable, acceptable and effective?

[Bkk Brian]

8 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

It was addressed to swerve:

 

Absolutely. The three hottest years I experienced were respectively:

Laos, 2014

France, 2003

Spain, 1997

 

This year was pretty mild in Thailand, even April was not as bad as some other years I have known. My acquaintances in France and the UK told me it was pretty hot in July/August, but not as bad as 2003.

Swerve.....lol

 

You do realize local weather is  very different from Global Temperature change right?

 

Firstly here's a little logic for you. Its impossible to make a claim that 2023 is no hotter than any other years as 2023 is not over yet, even science cannot make that claim. What it can do is give a year to date and currently it is ranked third warmest. Its also likely it will become the hottest. 

https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/monitoring/monthly-report/global/202307/supplemental/page-1

 

 

 

 

This graphic compares the year-to-date temperature anomalies for 2023 (black line) to what were ultimately the ten warmest years on record: 2016 (1st), 2020 (2nd), 2019 (3rd), 2017 (4th), 2015 (5th), 2022 (5th), 2018 (7th), 2021 (7th), 2014 (9th), and 2010 (10th). Each month along each trace represents the year-to-date average temperature anomaly. In other words, the January value is the January average temperature anomaly, the February value is the average anomaly of both January and February, and so on.

[Tippaporn]

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

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Firstly here's a little logic for you. Its impossible to make a claim that 2023 is no hotter than any other years as 2023 is not over yet, even science cannot make that claim. What it can do is give a year to date and currently it is ranked third warmest in the 174-year record. Its also likely it will become the hottest.
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Moral of the story?

Records are meant to be broken.

 

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Tippaporn said:

Moral of the story?

Records are meant to be broken.

 

Moral of your logic more like?

[Tippaporn]

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yep, I'm patient and no calling into question your credibility based on memory as every time you respond to me I'll remind you once more until you do.

 

It's always good to get back on the topic of climate change

Credit where credit is due.  You certainly have a knack for taking your punishment and carrying on unperturbed.  Though none the wiser.    In a macabre sort of way you're a funny fellow.  Also, credit for possessing infinite patience.  Which you'll need.

 

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Credit where credit is due.  You certainly have a knack for taking your punishment and carrying on unperturbed.  And none the wiser.    In a macabre sort of way you're a funny fellow.  Also, credit for possessing infinite patience.  Which you'll need.

Yea facts and evidence are so much better than belief. No stress with them. no need for childish laughing emoji's or personal insults. So the ozone layer? 6th time and back on topic instead of deflecting to make it personal

[rattlesnake]

19 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Swerve.....lol

 

You do realize local weather is  very different from Global Temperature change right?

 

Firstly here's a little logic for you. Its impossible to make a claim that 2023 is no hotter than any other years as 2023 is not over yet, even science cannot make that claim. What it can do is give a year to date and currently it is ranked third warmest. Its also likely it will become the hottest. 

https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/monitoring/monthly-report/global/202307/supplemental/page-1

 

 

 

 

This graphic compares the year-to-date temperature anomalies for 2023 (black line) to what were ultimately the ten warmest years on record: 2016 (1st), 2020 (2nd), 2019 (3rd), 2017 (4th), 2015 (5th), 2022 (5th), 2018 (7th), 2021 (7th), 2014 (9th), and 2010 (10th). Each month along each trace represents the year-to-date average temperature anomaly. In other words, the January value is the January average temperature anomaly, the February value is the average anomaly of both January and February, and so on.

Currently a nice 33 °C in Hua Hin.

[Bkk Brian]

7 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

Currently a nice 33 °C in Hua Hin.

Yes not too bad in Phuket to, here's a few more places in the world where it was cooler in July 2023.

 

Temperatures were near to cooler than average across parts of the central U.S. and Canada, Greenland, western Russia, Pakistan and northern India, western Oceania, southern Africa and Antarctica.

 

But then of course you need to get that in perspective with the rest of the world to get the mean Global temp. July was actually the hottest on record globally.

 

https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/monitoring/monthly-report/global/202307

 

 

[Yellowtail]

4 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

But it is factual that as temperatures warm, mosquitos are moving north. 

 

As the planet warms, mosquitoes are slowly migrating upward.

 

I will leave the other reasons to your speculation only, like I said I deal in facts and evidence only.

It is also factual that as planet warms, everyone is getting older as well. 

 

 

[Yellowtail]

5 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

I don't have to think the earth is round thanks.............

 

That it is round, does not mean it is not flat. 

[Bkk Brian]

27 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

That it is round, does not mean it is not flat. 

[Jai Dee]

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[Tippaporn]

The technology isn't here yet.  But never you mind.  We'll go full bore ahead anyway and ignore any disastrous consequences.  Tell me that's not cultish behaviour.   

BTW, if I ever owned an EV, and I never will, I wouldn't be so stupid as to park it anywhere near my house knowing that if the battery lights up, and there's no guarantee that it can't happen, and if parked in my garage then my house would catch on fire, too.  Som nam na.

Shouldn't EV's be considered fire hazards and laws passed to prohibit parking them anywhere where they could catch anything on fire?  Nah.  Of course not.  People might not want to buy them and we can't have that.

From Fortune:

Electric-vehicle fires have burned down homes after Hurricane Ian saltwater damage. Florida officials want answers

 

[Yellowtail]

Apparently, the hottest ever, is actually the hottest ever in the last 150 years. How funny is that? 

 

NASA Clocks July 2023 as Hottest Month on Record Ever Since 1880 | NASA

[Yellowtail]

27 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

"Climate change" is a hoax pushed by corrupt politicians and their fake media propaganda outlets, and thankfully less and less people are actually listening to their BS.

 

According to a World Economic Forum report, "90% of all coastal areas will be affected by rising sea-levels due to climate change", and yet the elites who push this narrative are buying luxury beachfront property.

 

Wake up.

 

Where are all the solar panels? 

[owl sees all]

25 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

BTW, if I ever owned an EV, and I never will, I wouldn't be so stupid as to park it anywhere near my house knowing that if the battery lights up, and there's no guarantee that it can't happen, and if parked in my garage then my house would catch on fire, too.  Som nam na.

Shouldn't EV's be considered fire hazards and laws passed to prohibit parking them anywhere where they could catch anything on fire?  Nah.  Of course not.  People might not want to buy them and we can't have that.

I reckon that there has been such a rush to get a foot into the leccy market, that cars, bikes and scooters etc,  have simply not had the testing that new technology demands.

 

I am dismayed by the UK's approach. Surrounded by water. Tides go up and down (have done for a while), and we are mucking about with giant windmills, that don't work on a wind-less day.

 

[Yellowtail]

13 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

I reckon that there has been such a rush to get a foot into the leccy market, that cars, bikes and scooters etc,  have simply not had the testing that new technology demands.

 

I am dismayed by the UK's approach. Surrounded by water. Tides go up and down (have done for a while), and we are mucking about with giant windmills, that don't work on a wind-less day.

 

It's all about votes and social engineering. If they really thought CO₂ was going to kill us, why are they not building nukes as fast as they can?

 

California is demolishing three perfectly good hydro-electric dams, mandating solar panels and banning gas stoves. 

 

The US government does nothing about private jets, but they are mandating ceiling fans be energy efficient.

 

It nice when you don't have to suffer the effects of your ideology...

[owl sees all]

9 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

California is demolishing three perfectly good hydro-electric dams, mandating solar panels and banning gas stoves.

Really! I didn't know that. Surely hydro-electric power is clean enough?

 

Let's hope the Americans can see through the nonsense.

[Yellowtail]

20 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

Really! I didn't know that. Surely hydro-electric power is clean enough?

 

Let's hope the Americans can see through the nonsense.

Apparently saving the Salmon is more important than saving the planet. 

[owl sees all]

26 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Apparently saving the Salmon is more important than saving the planet. 

I like salmon. Everything has to be put into perspective.

 

Was not California once part of Mexico? Perhaps they should return it.

 

 

[Yellowtail]

26 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

I like salmon. Everything has to be put into perspective.

 

Was not California once part of Mexico? Perhaps they should return it.

 

 

I'm with you. Good riddance, we could do without all those electoral votes. 

[metisdead]

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[Danderman123]

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Do you believers in MMCC only ever talk about it? I'm more interested in what you are doing about it.

Actually I'm not interested in any talk talk about it at all.

Surely you can point to something, anything that your government is doing that is affordable, acceptable and effective?

One minute you are throwing doubt on global warming, and now you are focus on mitigation.

 

Okay, mitigation is a big deal these days, solar power, wind power, shutting down coal plants, I understand that people are buying cars that don't burn gasoline.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

8 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

One minute you are throwing doubt on global warming, and now you are focus on mitigation.

 

Okay, mitigation is a big deal these days, solar power, wind power, shutting down coal plants, I understand that people are buying cars that don't burn gasoline.

 

Making it up too much, IMO.

Anyone actually read my posts know I said that climate change IS happening, always has and always will. As to whether it is man made or not, or the speed of change, I just don't care as IMO nothing we can do will make any difference. The CO2 already in the atmosphere isn't going away any time soon, so whatever effect it has is going to continue.

BTW did you know that the biggest amount of greenhouse gas is water vapour? However they can't tax that so CO2 has to suffice for the IMO biggest con of my lifetime.

 

There are 8 billion ( and rising fast ) people on the planet- how many of them are going to use an EV, LOL.

If governments actually cared, they'd be building nuclear power plants to replace oil fired power stations, but they are not, and even NZ has a whacking great fossil fuel powered station supplying Auckland.

 

I don't recall ever using the word "mitigation"- you are making that up. What I actually said was we should learn to live with it, and that doesn't mean solar panels or windmills, though I have nothing against solar panels per se.

 

In future, please try to reply based on what I actually say. It'll save me from having to keep correcting you.

[Yellowtail]

55 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Making it up too much, IMO.

Anyone actually read my posts know I said that climate change IS happening, always has and always will. As to whether it is man made or not, or the speed of change, I just don't care as IMO nothing we can do will make any difference. The CO2 already in the atmosphere isn't going away any time soon, so whatever effect it has is going to continue.

BTW did you know that the biggest amount of greenhouse gas is water vapour? However they can't tax that so CO2 has to suffice for the IMO biggest con of my lifetime.

 

There are 8 billion ( and rising fast ) people on the planet- how many of them are going to use an EV, LOL.

If governments actually cared, they'd be building nuclear power plants to replace oil fired power stations, but they are not, and even NZ has a whacking great fossil fuel powered station supplying Auckland.

 

I don't recall ever using the word "mitigation"- you are making that up. What I actually said was we should learn to live with it, and that doesn't mean solar panels or windmills, though I have nothing against solar panels per se.

 

In future, please try to reply based on what I actually say. It'll save me from having to keep correcting you.

If you're not in lock-step with the true believer alarmists you're a denier. 

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, Yellowtail said:

If you're not in lock-step with the true believer alarmists you're a denier. 

 

 

Oh so true.

If one doesn't say they believe everything CERTAIN scientists say, and want to drive an EV and never eat beef, one is obviously a died in the wool climate hater.

[Yellowtail]

23 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Oh so true.

If one doesn't say they believe everything CERTAIN scientists say, and want to drive an EV and never eat beef, one is obviously a died in the wool climate hater.

And every mention of climate change in a "news" article must be assumed to be absolute fact. 

 

Wildfires are not the result of idiotic and or incompetent forest and water management that someone can be taken to task for, but on climate change, which we can blame our opponents for.