Trump surrenders for historic fourth arrest

[Woof999]

49 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

If the USA did leave NATO , it would just mean that the remaining NATO Countries would need to adjust to that by supplying more soldier and monay to pay for it  , it wouldn't mean NATO disbanding 

All I'd need to do to win gold at the next Olympics is to run a bit faster.

 

Technically correct but still pretty absurd.

[observer90210]

No problem if it's the law etc etc etc.

But what about all the scandals on the Biden and his clan ?

Not to mention that after each attack against Trump from the system,  his popularity soars in the polls and earns him more supporters.

[GammaGlobulin]

10 hours ago, Neeranam said:

The US people will figure it out in time, even the diehard, anti-Trump supremacists will come to their senses.

Unfortunately, it seems that the American Pendulum continues to swing strongly in the wrong direction. 

 

What to expect? 

 

Now, with increasingly pervasive use of an AI-influenced Internet, even History will be totally lost. 

 

America's population will become increasingly fractured and fragmented. 

 

And America will soon become, to paraphrase Ronald Reagan... 

 

The Looney Bin on the Hill. 

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Let me define "caught up in the Trump cult" for you: 

 

Your Dear Leader has been charged 91 times in 4 jurisdictions. But you believe that he has done nothing wrong.

 

You will obfuscate by talking about these being charges, not convictions, but I am talking about what you believe. Even if Trump goes down 91-0, you will still believe he's innocent. Because of the Cult thing.

Put Trump to one side for the moment .

Accusations and indictments are the allegation that a person has committed a crime , that person then goes to a Court and a Judge/Jury whether finds that person to be guilty or not .

   If that person is found to be guilty, then he receives a punishment , if he's found to be not guilty, then he's free to leave Court and all charges are dropped .

   So you have to wait for the Judges verdict , although I suppose you are free to say a person is guilty if you want , even though they haven't been convicted, but don't expect anyone to take you seriously  

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Put Trump to one side for the moment .

Accusations and indictments are the allegation that a person has committed a crime , that person then goes to a Court and a Judge/Jury whether finds that person to be guilty or not .

   If that person is found to be guilty, then he receives a punishment , if he's found to be not guilty, then he's free to leave Court and all charges are dropped .

   So you have to wait for the Judges verdict , although I suppose you are free to say a person is guilty if you want , even though they haven't been convicted, but don't expect anyone to take you seriously  

91 felony charges.

The chances of him being cleared on all 91 practically zero.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

I don't believe it will sway many independent swing voters at all. Trump got thrashed in 2020 and somehow these 4 indictments and 91 charges and counting are going to stimulate outrage over political persecution lives only in the minds of the base.  There just aren't enough conspiracy theorists and racist nationalists to get him elected. Not to mention that the right wing aren't on most women's christmas card list right now.

On that point:

Lock Him Up? A New Poll Has Some Bad News for Trump

...

"A new POLITICO Magazine/Ipsos poll provides some bad news for Trump: Even as he remains the clear frontrunner for the Republican nomination, the cascading indictments are likely to take a toll on his general election prospects.

 

The survey results suggest Americans are taking the cases seriously — particularly the Justice Department’s 2020 election case — and that most people are skeptical of Trump’s claim to be the victim of a legally baseless witch hunt or an elaborate, multi-jurisdictional effort to “weaponize” law enforcement authorities against him.

...

Fifty-nine percent of respondents in the poll said that the federal trial in Trump’s 2020 election subversion case should take place before the 2024 Republican primaries begin early next year."

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/lock-him-up-a-new-poll-has-some-bad-news-for-trump/ar-AA1fKXl3

 

[Nick Carter icp]

25 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Obfuscation, as expected.

 

Are all you Trump cultists unable to answer simple questions?

 

Anyone normal would say that Putin would be thrilled if the US left NATO. But, your support for Trump constrains what you can post, for fear it might make your Dear Leader look bad.

I really have no idea about Putins opinion on NATO , I am not avoiding answering the question, its  just that I don't have hardly any knowledge on that subject .

   My only point is that the USA doesn't have the ability to disband NATO and what Putin thinks about anything is irrelevant to my point 

[nauseus]

45 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

Shouldn't tyranny include: sacking the Capitol, pressurising the Vice President to prevent the adoption of the results, erecting a gallows outside the Capitol to underline that pressure on the Vice President, threatening poll workers, sending death threats to those poll workers, arranging for " pastors"and "community activists" to visit and pressurise those poll workers ( so confident of their " untouchability" that they made the threats in a police station - unfortunately for them the policeman kept his body cam on),  arranging for "armed militiamen" to "protect" the advance polling drop off boxes in areas where the electorate were predominantly black; that's all off the top of my head, just for starters. The RICO laws seem a most appropriate basis for charges in Georgia. Trump and his merry men operated just like an organised crime cartel during and after the election. They predicted trouble if they didn't get their way - and win - and have continued to forment trouble, break the law, lie about breaking the law and bluster about and threaten ( often with the most open racist and vile sexual suggestions) anyone, investigating that lawbreaking, and generally deploy bully tactics since. 

 

The man is a skidmark on the underpants of American politics.

But the big poo is yet to be revealed.

[Danderman123]

35 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Put Trump to one side for the moment .

Accusations and indictments are the allegation that a person has committed a crime , that person then goes to a Court and a Judge/Jury whether finds that person to be guilty or not .

   If that person is found to be guilty, then he receives a punishment , if he's found to be not guilty, then he's free to leave Court and all charges are dropped .

   So you have to wait for the Judges verdict , although I suppose you are free to say a person is guilty if you want , even though they haven't been convicted, but don't expect anyone to take you seriously  

That is precisely the obsfuscation I was expecting.

 

Any other person with nearly 100 charges against them, and you would surmise they were guilty of something.

 

With Dear Leader, you assume he is guilty of nothing.

[Chivas]

Hopefully not the last corrupt blond haired charlatan staring at us from the front pages

 

Morning Johnson.....

[Nick Carter icp]

Just now, Danderman123 said:

That is precisely the obsfuscation I was expecting.

 

Any other person with nearly 100 charges against them, and you would surmise they were guilty of something.

 

With Dear Leader, you assume he is guilty of nothing.

Please, could you stop all this "dear leader"  and "cultist" nonsense ?

    I really really hope that you aren't a juror on the jury if I ever go to Court .

  *Hes been charged with lots of things , that's it  ,hes guilty as charged* .

   (P.S, anymore of the "dear leader" "cultist" nonsense, I and will ignore your post and not reply, OK ?)

[rudi49jr]

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Please, could you stop all this "dear leader"  and "cultist" nonsense ?

    I really really hope that you aren't a juror on the jury if I ever go to Court .

  *Hes been charged with lots of things , that's it  ,hes guilty as charged* .

   (P.S, anymore of the "dear leader" "cultist" nonsense, I and will ignore your post and not reply, OK ?)

Just listen to the phone call he made to Brad Raffensperger. Trump is guilty as sin. I don’t need a court or jury or judge to tell me that. He told Raffensperger to ‘find him’ 11,870 votes, and threatened Raffensperger there ‘could be consequences’ if he didn’t. How much more do you need out of the mouth of Trump himself to convince you that he’s guilty?

[scottiejohn]

8 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Please, could you stop all this "dear leader"  and "cultist" nonsense ?

    I really really hope that you aren't a juror on the jury if I ever go to Court .

  *Hes been charged with lots of things , that's it  ,hes guilty as charged* .

   (P.S, anymore of the "dear leader" "cultist" nonsense, I and will ignore your post and not reply, OK ?)

Dear Leader

Why the rant?

 

PS, Do I have to put you on ignore or do you do it automatically?

[Jingthing]

16 minutes ago, nauseus said:

But the big poo is yet to be revealed.

Is that some kind of "Q" thing like the Kraken?

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

Just listen to the phone call he made to Brad Raffensperger. Trump is guilty as sin. I don’t need a court or jury or judge to tell me that. He told Raffensperger to ‘find him’ 11,870 votes, and threatened Raffensperger there ‘could be consequences’ if he didn’t. How much more do you need out of the mouth of Trump himself to convince you that he’s guilty?

Are you referring to this dialogue ?

Which is different to the dialogue you posted 

 

"At one point on the call, Trump told Raffensperger, "What I want to do is this. I just want to find, uh, 11,780 votes, which is one more than [the 11,779-vote margin of defeat] we have, because we won the state."

 

 

[Jingthing]

Legally speaking he deserves to be presumed innocent of all 91 felony counts.

If you're going to serve on a jury, you would need to commit to that.

But this is a forum.

91 felony counts and innocent of all of them?

When strawberry blonde pigs fly!

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

8 hours ago, watthong said:

Just wanted to show off my new merch autumn line.... (tshirt, toilet paper, kleenex - with tag line "Don't cry for me, Georgia!" - all coming soon.)

You were too late .

Trump already has the merchandise on sale from his outlets

 

"For Donald Trump, millions of dollars in fund-raising, no doubt.

It will be a badge of honour, a 'meme-tastic' icon to be emblazoned on campaign T-shirts and merchandise.

Within an hour of its release, $34 (£27) T-shirts were already being advertised online with the image and slogan: "Never Surrender"

 

 

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/trump-hopes-prison-trip-boosts-support-but-fulton-county-jail-might-be-a-glimpse-of-how-grim-life-could-be/ar-AA1fKIuA?ocid=mailsignout&pc=U591&cvid=25f6dc33e704454497b48af5cd394119&ei=9

 

[Tug]

48 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Put Trump to one side for the moment .

Accusations and indictments are the allegation that a person has committed a crime , that person then goes to a Court and a Judge/Jury whether finds that person to be guilty or not .

   If that person is found to be guilty, then he receives a punishment , if he's found to be not guilty, then he's free to leave Court and all charges are dropped .

   So you have to wait for the Judges verdict , although I suppose you are free to say a person is guilty if you want , even though they haven't been convicted, but don't expect anyone to take you seriously  

Your problem is we have all seen him do it repeatedly and brag /admit/deny after admitting it we have seen and heard evidence (what’s publicly available) I strongly suspect the DOJ has much much more .I suspect some of his co conspirators are turning state’s evidence citizen trump the twice impeached 4 times indicted disgraced ex president is in very very deep trouble.I suspect he will drag everything out he will be eventually convicted then he will file appeals until he kicks the bucket I guess he considers that plan a win,personally I feel it’s wasteful and damaging to put it politely most folks here just want him locked up and forgotten 

[rudi49jr]

7 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Are you referring to this dialogue ?

Which is different to the dialogue you posted 

 

"At one point on the call, Trump told Raffensperger, "What I want to do is this. I just want to find, uh, 11,780 votes, which is one more than [the 11,779-vote margin of defeat] we have, because we won the state."

 

 

And you wonder why people accuse you of belonging to the Trump cult (or Dear Leader cult)…..

[Nick Carter icp]

5 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

And you wonder why people accuse you of belonging to the Trump cult (or Dear Leader cult)…..

Could we stick to the subject and not begin to have digs at each other ?

[jerrymahoney]

21 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

Just listen to the phone call he made to Brad Raffensperger. Trump is guilty as sin. I don’t need a court or jury or judge to tell me that. He told Raffensperger to ‘find him’ 11,870 votes, and threatened Raffensperger there ‘could be consequences’ if he didn’t. How much more do you need out of the mouth of Trump himself to convince you that he’s guilty?

From NY Times:

 

The most striking example is detailed in Act 113 of the indictment, which charges Trump with making a series of false statements to Georgia’s secretary of state, Brad Raffensperger, and his deputies in Trump’s notorious Jan. 2, 2021, telephone call. Most legal commentators, myself included, focused on that call because it contained a not-so-veiled threat against Raffensperger and his counsel. In recorded comments, Trump told them they faced a “big risk” of criminal prosecution because he claimed they knew about election fraud and were taking no action to stop it.

 

Willis’s focus, by contrast, is not on the threats but rather on the lies. And when you read the list of Trump’s purported lies, they are absolutely incredible. His claims aren’t just false; they’re transparently, incandescently stupid. This was not a sophisticated effort to overturn the election. It was a shotgun blast of obvious falsehoods.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/15/opinion/georgia-donald-trump-indictment-case.html

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

9 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Please, could you stop all this "dear leader"  and "cultist" nonsense ?

    I really really hope that you aren't a juror on the jury if I ever go to Court .

  *Hes been charged with lots of things , that's it  ,hes guilty as charged* .

   (P.S, anymore of the "dear leader" "cultist" nonsense, I and will ignore your post and not reply, OK ?)

The problem is that's its not nonsense for many:

 

Donald Trump: 'I Could ... Shoot Somebody, And I Wouldn't Lose Any Voters'

 

Trump voters trust him more than they trust friends and family

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

The problem is that's its not nonsense for many:

 

Donald Trump: 'I Could ... Shoot Somebody, And I Wouldn't Lose Any Voters'

 

Trump voters trust him more than they trust friends and family

 

 

That may be for other people , I was just asking a poster to stop referring to Trump as being my personal leader and to stop referring to myself a as a Trump cultist .  Yes, Trump may be other peoples leader and other people may be Trump cultists , I simply asked him to stop referring to Trump as "Your Dear Leader" , not too much to ask, is it ?

[Bkk Brian]

37 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Are you referring to this dialogue ?

Which is different to the dialogue you posted 

 

"At one point on the call, Trump told Raffensperger, "What I want to do is this. I just want to find, uh, 11,780 votes, which is one more than [the 11,779-vote margin of defeat] we have, because we won the state."

 

 

Cherry pick, we could do this all day:

 

Raffensperger: Well, I listened to what the President has just said. President Trump, we’ve had several lawsuits and we’ve had to respond in court to the lawsuits and the contentions. Um, we don’t agree that you have won. And we don’t — I didn’t agree about the 200,000 number that you’d mentioned. And I can go through that point by point.

 

Full transcript

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/03/politics/trump-brad-raffensperger-phone-call-transcript/index.html

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

13 hours ago, webfact said:

 

 

This is the official mugshot of Donald Trump released by the Fulton County Sheriff's Office

 

Source: BBC

 

Let's compare two booking photos here each with maniacal stares, and let folks decide on their own which of the two shown looks crazier....

 

Option No. 1:

 

Option No. 2:

https://pixels.com/featured/charles-manson-mug-shot-1969-vertical-tony-rubino.html

 

 

[BusyB]

59 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

Just listen to the phone call he made to Brad Raffensperger. Trump is guilty as sin. I don’t need a court or jury or judge to tell me that. He told Raffensperger to ‘find him’ 11,870 votes, and threatened Raffensperger there ‘could be consequences’ if he didn’t. How much more do you need out of the mouth of Trump himself to convince you that he’s guilty?

The problem is that these people are simply not up to admitting they've been gamed and taken on a very toxic and destructive ride aimed at turning the US into something of a Putinesque mafia state. Facts are irrelevant.

 

Best not to sweat them too much. They are actually in a noticeable and loud but small minority. 

[BusyB]

10 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Let's compare booking photos here, and let folks decide on their own which of the two shown looks crazier....

 

Option No. 1:

 

Option No. 2:

https://pixels.com/featured/charles-manson-mug-shot-1969-vertical-tony-rubino.html

 

 

Manson actually looks like the more pleasant of the two.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

4 hours ago, wombat said:

with the American media I never know which are real photo's

 

This one, I believe, happens to be a FAKE one of Trump...

 

Unlike the mug shot photo above.

 

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, BusyB said:

The problem is that these people are simply not up to admitting they've been gamed and taken on a very toxic and destructive ride aimed at turning the US into something of a Putinesque mafia state.

It would indeed be appalling for the USA if the USA began to act like Russia/Putin and stopped any opposition to their leadership by using the law to stop opposition from contending the leadership and also shooting down airplanes.

   Would be terrible for the USA if Trump did that , used the laws to quell any opposition 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 minute ago, BusyB said:

Manson actually looks like the more pleasant of the two.

For me it was a close call... I'm still trying to decide!  ????