Village pack dogs

[georgegeorgia]

I have put this in the isaan forum because this is where it's happened twice !!

 

Over the past few years I have been to see my friend in a small village near Wan Non , 

 

Both occassion I walked by myself to the local temple to look around.

 

First time was ok some dogs barking and tried to surround me and nip me but I managed to get away.

 

Second time a few years later and walked around the village again by myself and went to the temple ,now this is in a rural area and I thought about the first time but this time I didn't see any dogs but....I could hear dogs barking in the background far away .

 

20 minutes later I'm leaving to see a pack of dogs surrounime.

 

About 8 of them , barking ferocious and one attempting to snap at my legs .

 

At that moment a monk driving a motorcycle with sidecar stopped and  ushered me on.

I quickly got on and as I was getting on one dog tried to jump on me and bit my foot .

 

The monk took off quickly

I wanted to go back and shoot these dogs 

 

How do you guys who live in village handle this? Do these dogs get to know you after awhile ?

 

[carlyai]

11 minutes ago, georgegeorgia said:

I have put this in the isaan forum because this is where it's happened twice !!

 

Over the past few years I have been to see my friend in a small village near Wan Non , 

 

Both occassion I walked by myself to the local temple to look around.

 

First time was ok some dogs barking and tried to surround me and nip me but I managed to get away.

 

Second time a few years later and walked around the village again by myself and went to the temple ,now this is in a rural area and I thought about the first time but this time I didn't see any dogs but....I could hear dogs barking in the background far away .

 

20 minutes later I'm leaving to see a pack of dogs surrounime.

 

About 8 of them , barking ferocious and one attempting to snap at my legs .

 

At that moment a monk driving a motorcycle with sidecar stopped and  ushered me on.

I quickly got on and as I was getting on one dog tried to jump on me and bit my foot .

 

The monk took off quickly

I wanted to go back and shoot these dogs 

 

How do you guys who live in village handle this? Do these dogs get to know you after awhile ?

 

Non left...we at them all.

[Ben Zioner]

Don't be an idiot, don't shoot, poison. When in Rome....

[jak2002003]

Yes. They get to know you. 

 

It's also about how you act around them. 

 

If you are calm and act like you are not bothered by them they usually just get bored and leave you alone after the initial barking. 

 

I hate these street dogs, and am annoyed at the people who allow large packs of them to form and do nothing about them making problems for everyone. 

 

However after 15 years loving here, and taking my 2 small dogs on daily walks around the villages....we have never been bitten. 

 

Most of the time it's all noise and show on the dogs part. 

 

Next time you go to that temple go with someone else, or at least carry a long bamboo cane.  You don't have to hit the dogs or threaten them with it... Simply having it will deter them....and if there is a serious problem you can simply raise it up in the air and they will back off. 

 

Remember it's best to ignore the dogs and oretent they are not there...just keep a sneaky eye out.  If they are not getting a rise from you they will get bored and stop. 

[georgegeorgia]

I have no idea if these dogs are street dogs or dogs people own and they form gangs in the village .

But I really don't know how you village  guys put up with this,

 

these Thai people who own these dogs would be angry with the farang who hurt their dogs but they have no concerns for their dogs biting people just let them loose .

 

I really feel sorry for you guys especially the elderly farangs who like to go for walks but can't because of inconsiderate dog owners 

 

 

[Hummin]

16 minutes ago, georgegeorgia said:

I have put this in the isaan forum because this is where it's happened twice !!

 

Over the past few years I have been to see my friend in a small village near Wan Non , 

 

Both occassion I walked by myself to the local temple to look around.

 

First time was ok some dogs barking and tried to surround me and nip me but I managed to get away.

 

Second time a few years later and walked around the village again by myself and went to the temple ,now this is in a rural area and I thought about the first time but this time I didn't see any dogs but....I could hear dogs barking in the background far away .

 

20 minutes later I'm leaving to see a pack of dogs surrounime.

 

About 8 of them , barking ferocious and one attempting to snap at my legs .

 

At that moment a monk driving a motorcycle with sidecar stopped and  ushered me on.

I quickly got on and as I was getting on one dog tried to jump on me and bit my foot .

 

The monk took off quickly

I wanted to go back and shoot these dogs 

 

How do you guys who live in village handle this? Do these dogs get to know you after awhile ?

 

You need to learn to stay calm, at once they see you getting nervous and make quick movements, they will most likely charge you. If you stay still, move slowly and also move towards them, you will see they back off. They are not as though as you think they are, even in packs.

 

If you have walking stick, it will help to, but do not use the stock to swing around you, just point at them, and they back off. 

 

On a motorbike you become the moving pray as well, so drive slowly, stop if necessary and do not lick around with your legs.

 

Personally never had any problems with dogs, they always back off doing what I described.

 

Even walking my dogs in leash, and they are now teached to sit down when approached by packs off dogs, and they get confused, and do not attack. 

 

Control the pack

[KhunLA]

Always carry a walking stick if suspect dogs may be a problem. If a pack & aggressive, hit the alpha, and the rest will whimper away with him.

 

Usually just pointing a stick at them is enough, as they know.  Only time I've had to use one, It broke in half, on the lead dogs head charging toward me & dog while walking ... they (3) scurried off.  That hurt, as it wasn't a thin walking stick.

[Hummin]

2 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Always carry a walking stick if suspect dogs may be a problem. If a pack & aggressive, hit the alpha, and the rest will whimper away with him.

 

Usually just pointing a stick at them is enough, as they know.  Only time I've had to use one, It broke in half, on the lead dogs head charging toward me & dog while walking ... they (3) scurried off.  That hurt, as it wasn't a thin walking stick.

Good for you he wasnt pit bull or any other fighting dog breed.

 

Never necessary to swing at any normal pack dogs, and if you do, and it is the wrong dog, it is most likely to end bad! 

[retarius]

When I was growing up in the 1950s, my mum used to send me to the shops sometimes in an evening to buy 'a quarter of boiled ham'. I got on my bike and would pedal like fury downhill to the shops to escape the packs of dogs roaming free on the streets. In this days people used to kick their dogs out in the morning like they do with cats. 

Anyway, having bought the ham, and I swear those dogs could smell the ham, it was uphill and I couldn't ride as fast and I would get chased home to our driveway with about 20 dogs chasing me. I was bitten a few times, but they didn't make a huge deal about it in those days and there was no rabies in the UK anyway. Great times, what a compassionate mum.

[KhunLA]

23 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Good for you he wasnt pit bull or any other fighting dog breed.

 

Never necessary to swing at any normal pack dogs, and if you do, and it is the wrong dog, it is most likely to end bad! 

I also carry a blade, so nothing will end badly for me or my dog.  Common sense, know your surroundings & prepare for the worst.  I have one walking stick that is actually a sheath, for the sword inside.   A bit of overkill though.

 

Using common sense works fine.  

 

 

[Hummin]

2 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

I also carry a blade, so nothing will end badly for me or my dog.  Common sense, know your surroundings & prepare for the worst.  I have one walking stick that is actually a sheath, for the sword inside.   A bit of overkill though.

 

Using common sense works fine.  

 

 

I know we had this discussion before, and not going to repeat myself, but I think you are wrong, but hopefully you do not need to be harmed by a dog or harm any dogs in the near future. 

 

Nuff said

Edited August 29, 2023 by Hummin

[dingdongrb]

I have never carried a stick as I feel it's not needed.

 

I carry a pocket full of dog treats. I toss some at any of dogs that come my way. Actually I hold some out in my hand and try to coax them to come and get a treat. However most are too scared or timid to come near me so I have to toss a few pieces their way.

 

Once they get a taste of a treat they leave me alone or follow me hoping I will give them more.

 

If a dog appear aggressive towards me I just bend over and pretend I am picking up a rock. That deters most but on occasion I pretend to throw a rock at them and they usually go running off.

 

I have been walking city areas, back sois, and rural areas for nearly 20 years and I have yet to have an issue with a dog I couldn't handle. I have however been bit by a cat about 8 years ago.,

[Neeranam]

57 minutes ago, jak2002003 said:

If you are calm and act like you are not bothered by them they usually just get bored and leave you alone after the initial barking. 

Exactly. Thai dogs can smell fear. 

 

Also, it's to do with the way you walk. I can tell a foreigner a kilometre away by the way he walks. 

[Neeranam]

Just now, dingdongrb said:

I just bend over and pretend I am picking up a rock.

Always works for me

[Kenny202]

I lived here 10 years in a few villages and the stand your ground don't show fear thing doesn't always work. When they are milling around you with several in front trying to get your attention so one or 2 can get behind and have a sneak go is exactly like wild dog / wolf behavior and that's exactly what they are. Wouldn't be surprised if they were hungry enough they may see you as a meal. Mind you nothing compares to two weeks ago. We live in quite a nice estate now. Never see any soi dogs in the estate much but had a very large high pit bull and it's little French Bulldog mate hanging around our home for a few weeks. We left the gate open a week ago and came home and they were inside our place. Our dog (French Bulldog) was inside luckily. What struck me was the pit and the bulldog took no notice of me trying to direct them out of the gate. Pitbull is massive....normal pit bull features but this one very tall and ball of muscle, about Rottweiler size. Anyway, we were coming home on the motorbike other day and these things started chasing us, looked like the pit was going for our legs. Got off the bike front of our gate and my little bloke ran to the gate and barked at them. The steel gate has those fibrous cement slats. My little bloke stuck his nose through the slats....whereby the Pit latched onto his muzzle and pulled him holus bolus through the slats, and my dog is around 25 kilos. He then got hold of his ear and shook him like a rag doll. He was biting him around the side of the face, neck and head was one of the most awful, brutal things I ever seen. All the while I was beating the shet out of the Pit with a thick bamboo pole.....never flinched and wouldn't let go of my dog. Picked up some of the sharp fibrous cement and took to it with that and he finally let go and backed off and my stupid little bloke ran to him again for another go! Same again and the pit had him by the throat this time, looked like he meant to kill him. Finally he let go again and lucky Mrs grabbed our dog and took him inside. All the time the other French bulldog, cowardly little mongrel was nipping at my dogs undercarriage and balls. I would have rather fought with a bloke. Me and the missus were shook up for days. We got two small kids 7 and 8 so a real worry for us. My missus went hunting the owners and talked to others in the streets had been terrorized by these dogs. The owners were sorry etc of course (mouthful of nothing as the Thais say) and blamed their kids for letting the dogs out repeatedly! My missus told them we see the dogs loose in the street again will call the police. Guys reckons he will cage the animal when he is at work and luckily haven't seen them again but no more walking around to the corner shop or playing outside for our kids now. My dog was hurt but not nearly as badly as I thought. I can imagine what one of these Pits particularly a big one like this would do if it got hold of a person or god forbid a kid. Just no fear and no pain. You would have to gouge it's eyes out or something and not even sure that would stop it. Like a trained assassin. Really bad experience

[dingdongrb]

5 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Always works for me

I will say that there were a couple times when I actually picked up a hefty rock but just held it in case it was needed. (I probably wouldn't throw it, but use it to slam against a dog's head if he did lunge at me....... but that have never been needed.)

[KhunLA]

5 minutes ago, dingdongrb said:

I have never carried a stick as I feel it's not needed.

 

I carry a pocket full of dog treats. I toss some at any of dogs that come my way. Actually I hold some out in my hand and try to coax them to come and get a treat. However most are too scared or timid to come near me so I have to toss a few pieces their way.

 

Once they get a taste of a treat they leave me alone or follow me hoping I will give them more.

 

If a dog appear aggressive towards me I just bend over and pretend I am picking up a rock. That deters most but on occasion I pretend to throw a rock at them and they usually go running off.

 

I have been walking city areas, back sois, and rural areas for nearly 20 years and I have yet to have an issue with a dog I couldn't handle. I have however been bit by a cat about 8 years ago.,

I walk with our dog, so they may not be interested with or deterred by treats.  Usually local or rural, so not much of a problem, as I do get to pick my spots.

 

Only in Krung Thep do I need to be a bit more careful & resourceful.   Though surprisingly, have encountered so few dogs there, and most behind gates/walls.   When and if, myself & dog are strolling & looking for those elusive green spots.

[bbko]

Most soi dogs are very afraid of fireworks, maybe carry some of those small fireworks that pop when thrown and hit the ground.

[georgegeorgia]

20 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

I also carry a blade, so nothing will end badly for me or my dog.  Common sense, know your surroundings & prepare for the worst.  I have one walking stick that is actually a sheath, for the sword inside.   A bit of overkill though.

 

Using common sense works fine.  

 

 

Wow !

Love that kind of walking stick !

 

[dingdongrb]

4 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

When and if, myself & dog are strolling & looking for those elusive green spots.

I never understood how someone could have a dog in a large city with nowhere for it to roam free, especially those folks who live in apartments/condos.

[Neeranam]

7 minutes ago, dingdongrb said:

I never understood how someone could have a dog in a large city with nowhere for it to roam free, especially those folks who live in apartments/condos.

Apartments are good enough for people, but not dogs?

[KhunLA]

7 minutes ago, dingdongrb said:

I never understood how someone could have a dog in a large city with nowhere for it to roam free, especially those folks who live in apartments/condos.

Agree 100%   We struggle just finding a place for her to do her business, as usually won't on concrete.   Big consideration when choosing a hotel, need some green or be near/walking distance.

 

Don't think I'd have a dog if living at Krung Thep, just ain't right, and not of fan of little pocketbook dogs.

[Moonlover]

1 hour ago, georgegeorgia said:

I have no idea if these dogs are street dogs or dogs people own and they form gangs in the village .

But I really don't know how you village  guys put up with this,

 

these Thai people who own these dogs would be angry with the farang who hurt their dogs but they have no concerns for their dogs biting people just let them loose .

 

I really feel sorry for you guys especially the elderly farangs who like to go for walks but can't because of inconsiderate dog owners 

 

 

The dogs that roam free in the villages will almost certainly 'have a home' and they will also be inter-related. They are in fact behaving much like their wolf ancestors from whom all dogs are descended. 

 

This has two advantages. firstly they are, to a degree at least, socialized as far as their relationship with humans is concerned and they also form a protective pack which defends the village against canine intruders, so you're unlikely to encounter strays. When they're barking at you @georgegeorgia they're regarding you as an intruder and are 'seeing you off'. 

 

Once they become familiar with you, they will not bother you at all. I've been in our village now for over 6 years and I walk just about daily. There are probably 40 or more dogs here and not one of them shows the slightest concern as I pass by, some even court my friendship. 

 

My behaviour toward them is to show no aggression, behave calmly and quell any fear that I may feel.

 

Dogs are genetically programmed to dwell alongside man. Proof of that comes from the fact that even new borne pups will seek our friendship at a very young age. 

 

You have no need to be concerned about us 'elderly falangs' living in villages. We're quite used to our canine neighbours.

 

 

[watchcat]

2 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

How do you guys who live in village handle this?

Poison.

[Moonlover]

33 minutes ago, dingdongrb said:

I never understood how someone could have a dog in a large city with nowhere for it to roam free, especially those folks who live in apartments/condos.

 

21 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Agree 100%   We struggle just finding a place for her to do her business, as usually won't on concrete.   Big consideration when choosing a hotel, need some green or be near/walking distance.

 

Don't think I'd have a dog if living at Krung Thep, just ain't right, and not of fan of little pocketbook dogs.

Yes I agree with you both. The urban environment is not a natural one for dogs. If dogs could speak, I'm sure they would say 'give me the country life any day'. I get your your comment about struggling to find a suitable place for your dog to 'visit the loo' @KhunLA.

 

Dogs are, apparently quite fussy about where they like to 'go'. When they have the choice of a natural environment, they will be quite discreet. Despite the high number of dogs in our village, a dollop on the pavement is a very rare sight. Unlike buffalo!

[alien365]

Dogs in my area don't seem to bother with me. If I am out walking, I tend to have a long scythe/sickle with me lol (I'm not sure of its exact name. It's about 180cm in length). I carry it as I am usually chopping some branches down or getting some fruits off the trees. I've met many packs of dogs while on my travels (without looking like some sort of grim reaper), but have yet to experience ones trying to bite me.

[HandsomeTallFarang]

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

You need to learn to stay calm, at once they see you getting nervous and make quick movements, they will most likely charge you. If you stay still, move slowly and also move towards them, you will see they back off. They are not as though as you think they are, even in packs.

 

If you have walking stick, it will help to, but do not use the stock to swing around you, just point at them, and they back off. 

 

On a motorbike you become the moving pray as well, so drive slowly, stop if necessary and do not lick around with your legs.

 

Personally never had any problems with dogs, they always back off doing what I described.

 

Even walking my dogs in leash, and they are now teached to sit down when approached by packs off dogs, and they get confused, and do not attack. 

 

Control the pack

Why should I have to do any of this crap if I feel like my safety is in jeopardy? Really, stay calm and pretend a pack of feral dogs getting ready to attack is no big deal? Do you hear yourselves?

 

I'm bashing any dog that gets near me, period. Fist, brick, bottle, anything I can get a hold of. Mess around and find out.

 

Couldn't care less about mad locals, oh the dog is reincarnated ancestors, you can't hurt dogs! What about those chickens and pigs you can't stop eating? You can hurt the animals that taste good, but leave the "pet" animals alone? Or does reincarnatiom only pick "cute" animals to reincarnate as?

If you tried to explain their stunning hypocrisy to a typical Thai (literally) they would look at you like you're trying to explain quantum mechanics. 

 

F your dog, I'm not getting bit. 

[BritManToo]

Just now, HandsomeTallFarang said:

I'm bashing any dog that gets near me, period. Fist, brick, bottle, anything I can get a hold of. Mess around and find out.

I have an extendable baton in my man bag.

Works well in many different situations.

[dingdongrb]

39 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Apartments are good enough for people, but not dogs?

Do people like to run around and chase birds, squirrels, or other critters?

 

Do people like to go around sniffing areas and then take a whiz or chit leaving their mark everywhere/anywhere?

[Hummin]

1 minute ago, HandsomeTallFarang said:

Why should I have to do any of this crap if I feel like my safety is in jeopardy? Really, stay calm and pretend a pack of feral dogs getting ready to attack is no big deal? Do you hear yourselves?

 

I'm bashing any dog that gets near me, period. Fist, brick, bottle, anything I can get a hold of. Mess around and find out.

 

Couldn't care less about mad locals, oh the dog is reincarnated ancestors, you can't hurt dogs! What about those chickens and pigs you can't stop eating? You can hurt the animals that taste good, but leave the "pet" animals alone? Or does reincarnatiom only pick "cute" animals to reincarnate as?

If you tried to explain their stunning hypocrisy to a typical Thai (literally) they would look at you like you're trying to explain quantum mechanics. 

 

F your dog, I'm not getting bit. 

No wonder you have problems with dogs, being  insecure and violence is the only tool you know. 

 

This is how it is, and not unlikely any other previously developing country included Usa today!