September 28, 2023

 

Last year, COVID-19 killed 9,859 Australians, behind only heart disease and dementia (including Alzheimer’s) as the leading causes of death in the country.

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"An infectious disease (influenza and pneumonia) was last in the top 5 leading causes of death in 1970," the Australian Bureau of Statistics said in the press release. "Deaths due to COVID-19 were a significant contributor to the increase, causing just under 10,000 deaths and mentioned as a contributing factor on a further 2,782 death certificates."

 

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https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/covid-19-third-leading-cause-death-australia-2022

 

 

"This is the first time in over 50 years that an infectious disease has been in the top 5 leading causes of death in Australia. In 1968 and 1970, influenza and pneumonia was the fifth leading cause of death. 

 

The rate of death from COVID-19 has increased by 23.7 deaths per 100,000 since 2021 and 24.5 since 2020. In these years it was the 33rd and 38th leading cause of death.

 

 

 

 

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/health/causes-death/causes-death-australia/2022

 

 

What was the vaccination status of the deceased?

Maybe because the authorities made sure that almost no one was allowed to die of anything else.

Do we really have to go through all this scaremongering again?

Australia isn't in Asean.

This topic belongs elsewhere.

1 minute ago, 2long said:

Maybe because the authorities made sure that almost no one was allowed to die of anything else.

Do we really have to go through all this scaremongering again?

Australia isn't in Asean.

This topic belongs elsewhere.

It's in World News...........????

Seems you don't like facts, but don't worry, you will never catch C19.          ????

2 minutes ago, 2long said:

Maybe because the authorities made sure that almost no one was allowed to die of anything else.

Do we really have to go through all this scaremongering again?

Australia isn't in Asean.

This topic belongs elsewhere.

Its in the Coronavirus sub forum of "World News" Last time I looked Australia formed part of the world 

8 minutes ago, 2long said:

Maybe because the authorities made sure that almost no one was allowed to die of anything else.

Did Australia give out bonuses to hospitals for putting Covid on the death certificate, like the USA did?

 

Interesting that the odds of dying were virtually nil (< 1/10,000) if you were under 59 years old.  Gonna be tough to get the school kids to mask up again if round 2 comes around.

 

I'm also interested (like rattlesnake) how the fatality rates stacked up between the vaxxed and the unvaxxed.  But I'm only seeing some Euro countries going back and looking at the data.

 

5 minutes ago, impulse said:

Did Australia give out bonuses to hospitals for putting Covid on the death certificate, like the USA did?

 

Interesting that the odds of dying were virtually nil (< 1/10,000) if you were under 59 years old.  Gonna be tough to get the school kids to mask up again if round 2 comes around.

 

I'm also interested (like rattlesnake) how the fatality rates stacked up between the vaxxed and the unvaxxed.  But I'm only seeing some Euro countries going back and looking at the data.

 

Hospital COVID payments tied to patient treatment, not deaths

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-covid-pandemic-hospitals-medicare-157398144949

13 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Hospital COVID payments tied to patient treatment, not deaths

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-covid-pandemic-hospitals-medicare-157398144949

Thanks for the kind offer, but I'm not going to play dueling links with the Pfizer sponsored MSM.

 

 

9 minutes ago, impulse said:

Thanks for the kind offer, but I'm not going to play dueling links with the Pfizer sponsored MSM.

 

 

How strange, what offer?

4 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

What was the vaccination status of the deceased?

I don't believe that issue was addressed in the Australia report above... But it has been very well addressed by the U.S. CDC for American COVID fatalities age 50 and above that show the unvaccinated (dark green line below), who have the highest fatality rate, and much higher than all the vaccinated groups, with the lowest fatality rate belonging to those who had had 4 or more shots (red line below).

 

 

The CDC link below includes an Excel file with the actual weekly COVID mortality rates per 100,000 population details for the chart above, including the the final week in the series being Sept. 3, 2022:

 

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/data-review/vaccines.html

 

And broken down by different age groups:

 

"In August 2022, the risk of dying from COVID-19 among unvaccinated adults compared with adults who received a primary series was 9 times higher for adults aged 65–79 years and 4 times higher for adults aged ≥80 years.

 

A similar pattern was observed among younger adult age groups in August 2022. Compared with adults who received a primary series in the same age group, the risk of dying from COVID-19 among unvaccinated adults was 3 times higher for adults aged 18–29 years, 5 times higher for adults aged 30–49 years, and 6 times higher for adults aged 50–64 years."

 

 

4 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Its in the Coronavirus sub forum of "World News" Last time I looked Australia formed part of the world 

And is also an continent 

3 hours ago, impulse said:

Thanks for the kind offer, but I'm not going to play dueling links with the Pfizer sponsored MSM.

 

 

That's the way to go, stay away from facts that don't suit your beliefs.

PS  -  of course it's meaningless to talk about the raw vaccination status of COVID fatalities at large, vaxed vs. unvaxed, -- something anti-vaxers love to do -- when the vast majority of the population has already been vaccinated at varying levels, and the entirely unvaccinated population is a much smaller relative group in terms of numbers. Meaning comparing the two groups in terms of raw numbers of fatalities is apples and oranges.

 

What is meaningful, which is what the CDC has done above, is to compare the fatality RATES among the different groups -- what share of the vaccinated are dying of COVID, what share of the unvaccinated are dying of COVID, etc etc...  And in those regards, the outcomes and answers are very clear -- vaccination saves lives and reduces COVID fatalities.

 

 

4 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Hospital COVID payments tied to patient treatment, not deaths

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-covid-pandemic-hospitals-medicare-157398144949

From your source:

 

"And despite what the social media posts claim, the enhanced COVID-19 payments aren’t based on whether the patient lives or dies, experts said.

 

“This is a stupid lie that apparently, like a zombie, refuses to die,” Gerald Kominski, a senior fellow and former director at the UCLA Center for Health Policy Research, wrote in an email. “The most common lie about this fact is that every COVID hospitalization (i.e., including on-Medicare) meant more payment (FALSE) and hospitals only got paid more if the patient died (FALSE).”

 

 

2 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

PS  -  of course it's meaningless to talk about the raw vaccination status of COVID fatalities at large, vaxed vs. unvaxed, -- something anti-vaxers love to do -- when the vast majority of the population has already been vaccinated at varying levels, and the entirely unvaccinated population is a much smaller relative group in terms of numbers. Meaning comparing the two groups in terms of raw numbers of fatalities is apples and oranges.

 

What is meaningful, which is what the CDC has done above, is to compare the fatality RATES among the different groups -- what share of the vaccinated are dying of COVID, what share of the unvaccinated are dying of COVID, etc etc...  And in those regards, the outcomes and answers are very clear -- vaccination saves lives and reduces COVID fatalities.

 

 

Excellent clarification, I wholeheartedly agree.

 

As you say, it is totally irrelevant and wrong to claim (as has been repeated ad nauseam on this forum) that the unvaccinated are flooding the hospitals.

 

Glad we've got that out of the way and I will quote you when needed.

41 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

Reactions reported for adverse events following immunisation for all vaccines in 2021.

It's the word 'immunisation' that I reckon is misleading here. Not that the whole idea is correct.

 

I have yet to find 'anything' that gives a human an 'immune' response. This word gives the impression that the body 'learns' from substances put into it. I don't agree.

 

I would say that the body has a defence system, that acts swiftly, when toxins are introduced. Especially unnaturally. It neutralises, isolates, eliminates and eradicates toxins. It does this to all unnatural. medicines including vaxx injections; if it can. Sometimes the effects, of the toxins, so overwhelm the body that it succumbs. What happens also, is that the body isolates the toxin, only for it to break free some time later. The age group 21 to 33 have an advantage here, as it is thought that the body's defence mechanisms are are their strongest. The very young, and the old, are most at risk. And any body that already has a problem (underlying condition) is also high risk from these toxins.

 

 

Also worth noting, the Australian government's Therapeutic Goods Administration recently shared a statement from its international member group, the International Coalition of Medicines Regulatory Authorities (ICMRA), on the safety of COVID vaccines and misleading efforts to malign their safety:

 

https://www.tga.gov.au/news/media-releases/icmra-statement-safety-covid-19-vaccines

 

The statement included the following highlights:

 

"COVID-19 vaccines significantly reduce the risk of severe disease, hospitalisation and death from infection with SARS-CoV-2.

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"False and misleading information about the safety of COVID-19 vaccines on social media often exaggerates the frequency and severity of side effects. Misinformation also wrongly attributes unrelated medical events to the vaccines. Vaccine misinformation leading individuals to decline vaccination has very likely led to many more deaths than adverse effects of the vaccines."

 

You're continuing to try to beat a dead horse of misinformation:

 

As the Western Australia report cited above notes:

 

Important considerations when interpreting the AEFI summary data

 

"The reported symptoms, signs and diagnoses in each adverse event were temporally associated with vaccination but are not necessarily causally associated with one or more of the vaccines administered."

 

And from the ICMRA statement on COVID vaccines shared by the Australian government:

 

"As for all medicines, reports of medical events after COVID-19 vaccination (suspected side effects) are collected and continuously evaluated by the authorities. These evaluations show that in most cases the medical events were not caused by the vaccine."

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Vaccine misinformation leading individuals to decline vaccination has very likely led to many more deaths than adverse effects of the vaccines."

 

https://www.tga.gov.au/news/media-releases/icmra-statement-safety-covid-19-vaccines

 

 

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"False and misleading information about the safety of COVID-19 vaccines on social media often exaggerates the frequency and severity of side effects. Misinformation also wrongly attributes unrelated medical events to the vaccines. Vaccine misinformation leading individuals to decline vaccination has very likely led to many more deaths than adverse effects of the vaccines."

Since many of these people giving out supposedly "false information" suffered similar symptoms to me, I would assume what they are saying is true.  I wouldn't wish what I had to go through on my worst enemy. Absolutely no help whatsoever from the medical establishment , I had to do my own research and heal myself. In my opinion the whole thing verges on criminality. Severe side effects are very real , anyone who came away from the whole debacle as normal should count themselves lucky.

"Evidence from the more than 13 billions of vaccine doses given worldwide shows that COVID-19 vaccines have a very good safety profile in all age groups. The benefits of the approved vaccines far outweigh the possible risks.

The vast majority of side effects are mild and temporary."

 

https://www.tga.gov.au/news/media-releases/icmra-statement-safety-covid-19-vaccines

 

12 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

"Evidence from the more than 13 billions of vaccine doses given worldwide shows that COVID-19 vaccines have a very good safety profile in all age groups. The benefits of the approved vaccines far outweigh the possible risks.

The vast majority of side effects are mild and temporary."

 

https://www.tga.gov.au/news/media-releases/icmra-statement-safety-covid-19-vaccines

 

Would you regard over one year as temporary? Would you regard being unable to walk more than about 30m before feeling disoriented as normal? Would you regard being unable to sleep for more than 3 hours due to a cytokine storm as mild (lasted for 6 months)? Would you regard tachycardia as mild? Quite frankly I don't care how many million people survived; I know one thing for sure you could offer me $13million and I wouldn't get another vaccination. In fact I now have absolute distrust of the whole medical establishment - when I literally thought I was going to die all they could do was tell me to get the second vaccination. Absolutely abominable!

2 hours ago, cmsally said:

Quite frankly I don't care how many million people survived; I know one thing for sure you could offer me $13million and I wouldn't get another vaccination. In fact I now have absolute distrust of the whole medical establishment - when I literally thought I was going to die all they could do was tell me to get the second vaccination. Absolutely abominable!

What a desperate shame you had to have a serious jab reaction. before the penny dropped Sally.

 

There is nothing the medical establishment can do after a person has has the jab. There are things that can be done to eliminate the toxin, and lesson the effects, but they are outside the 'take-more-drugs' system.

 

Good that you have recovered.

9 hours ago, cmsally said:

Since many of these people giving out supposedly "false information" suffered similar symptoms to me, I would assume what they are saying is true.  I wouldn't wish what I had to go through on my worst enemy. Absolutely no help whatsoever from the medical establishment , I had to do my own research and heal myself. In my opinion the whole thing verges on criminality. Severe side effects are very real , anyone who came away from the whole debacle as normal should count themselves lucky.

And you are living proof that it is possible to recover… Your testimony is invaluable, as it proves that breaking free from the pharmaceutical paradigm is the first step to a healthy lifestyle.

 

I see someone posted a laughing emoticon to your message. It's unbelievable how low some people can stoop.

10 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

And you are living proof that it is possible to recover… Your testimony is invaluable, as it proves that breaking free from the pharmaceutical paradigm is the first step to a healthy lifestyle.

 

I see someone posted a laughing emoticon to your message. It's unbelievable how low some people can stoop.

It's unbelievable how people do get critized for stating their truth that they got injured. severly injured, or killed from a medical countermeasure.  What's even more unbelievable is how these products were paid for by taxpayers, yet the pharma company assumes no liability.  It's downright criminal.  People like cmsally should be compensated for their injuries.  Hiding behind EUA is a farce.

Interesting to see how Australia's original COVID "lockdown" restrictions kept the country's COVID death toll relatively low, until those restrictions were lifted, and then the COVID death toll skyrocketed:

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-27/abs-deaths-in-graphs-covid-heart-disease-suicide/102907992

 

"COVID deaths have grown significantly since the disease first hit Australian shores. 

 

Lockdowns kept Australia's COVID death toll low when compared globally, but from 2022 when borders were opened and the nation returned to business as usual, that number skyrocketed."

 

 

Seems like the government's original policies worked at preventing needless deaths.

 

 

 

And summaries of some of the latest updates from the Australian government on their current COVID situation as of Sept. 29, 2023:

New South Wales

651 cases in hospital with the virus, 12 of those in intensive care, and 17 new deaths.

South Australia 

36 patients in hospital and two in intensive care, as of September 26, and 22 new deaths.

Victoria 

168 people in hospital with COVID-19, five in intensive care, and two new deaths.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-29/covid-19-case-numbers-states-territories/102916140

 

Reported post and subsequent responses removed.

And so, a mere trickle of people are still being assessed of dying of Covid.

 

Perhaps the Australian government would be better off asking why the overall excess mortality rate in the country stands at 13% in 2023, which translates to 10,289 extra deaths which are not accounted for in the first 8 months of the year.

 

Excess mortality rates have been way above the baseline since Jan. 2022, only a minor share of which can be linked to Covid (under 3% in 2023), but State and Federal governments alike seem not to care about this.

 

Such is the nature of government these days, it seems.

Spike in deaths in Australia from COVID illnesses, not vaccine

March 18, 2023, Associated Press

 

"CLAIM: Australia is seeing its sharpest rise in deaths in 80 years because of the coronavirus vaccine.

 

AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. While a recent analysis found that the country saw a higher than expected number of deaths in 2022, it also concluded coronavirus vaccines weren’t the cause. Government officials and experts in Australia concur, saying the rise in deaths is largely the result of COVID-19 infections, not vaccine-related deaths."

 

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-covid-coronavirus-vaccine-australia-125014733236

 

 

 

 

 

On 9/29/2023 at 10:50 AM, rattlesnake said:

What was the vaccination status of the deceased?

North of 80% of covid deaths occurred in fully vaccinated (2/3/4 boosters) and approx 68% admitted to ICU were fully vaccinated. as per NSW COVID-19 WEEKLY DATA OVERVIEW reports which included a section of death by vaccine status. They have since stopped reported covid deaths by vax status. More than 80% are fully vaccinated in Au.

 

website: https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Pages/weekly-reports-archive.aspx